1 minute ago, Iggles25 said:

Eagles played them close in that playoff game too the year they won it all. Thought Vick was going to pull out the win.

 

It all comes down to that awful Tuesday Night Vikings game.  Should have never been pushed back to Tuesday.  Not only did they lose out on a bye week in the playoffs but Vick also got banged up and wasn't 100% for the playoffs then. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

There you are... I knew you'd be here.

He averages 11.9 points in the playoffs and when you take out garbage time it ends up being like 6.5 points per playoff game. 

You want the Regular season Hero, have at it. I dont 

 

So you're going to completely disregard my point to your incorrect claim that he "Beats up on bad teams during the regular season(remind you of anyone) and then falls flat on his face against real teams".  Predictable. 

 

The book on Lamar in the playoffs is long from written.  He's going to be in the playoffs a lot over the course of his career.  Playoff success or lack there of in the first few years of his career means nothing when it comes to the totality of his career. 

Thoughts on Derek Carr being elected to the HoF.

 

This is the craziest Hall of Fame election I’ve seen in thirty years. 

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Vick had the late drive, I thought we were going to pull it off and he panicked and throw the pick in the end zone. 

Didnt Djax get hurt too?

Yeah I think he left the game with a knee injury. A banged up Vick and Jackson getting hurt was just too much to overcome.

30 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

That Athletic rankings from NFL sources is pretty good. I'd probably make a few minor changes, but it's mostly spot-on. Hurts was ranked T-20th with... Carson Wentz.

I think it's sort of silly to say that Wentz and Hurts are equal.  As I said before we dumped Wentz, you have to throw out 2017 and 2020.  Neither one was the real Wentz.  2018, 2019 were the closest it gets (which aren't nearly good enough)...even 2021 sold him a bit short with a new team that never really went right.  In 2018&19, Wentz played the QB position FAR better than anything we've seen from Hurts.  He still brings athleticism and mobility...but even his inconsistent passing ability unlocks so much more in the air than can even be imagined with Hurts under center.  

Now, 2020 Wentz was as bad as it gets for any QB.  Hurts will NEVER be nearly that bad because he'll never be allowed to fall apart like that.  He just runs around downfield and has his hand held for one read on passing plays.  

Even the biggest Hurts admirers acknowledge that the Eagles need to run a different offense this year.  That's the inconsistency that makes my head hurt.  What starting QB in the entire NFL has been so incompetent that the coach and franchise were forced to completely redefine their passing offense into a high school running offense?  That's the kind of stuff we saw last year from practice squad QBs when entire QB rooms went down with COVID.  And this is our chosen starter.  Even Wentz doesn't do that to an offense.

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Ignore what? your definition of a good team?

over .500 means your a good team? gtfo. 

And no he wont be in the playoffs a lot. He got that injury bug and he wont play a full season, or close to it ever again. 

 

He beat the #2 seed Chiefs last season in KC.  Are they not a good team? 

He won't be to the playoffs a lot? He has a career record of 37-12.  

He has an injury bug and won't play a full season again? The only time he has ever missed a game due to injury was last season and it certainly wasn't a career threatening injury. 

 

Is that what you do, just throw out made up claims without looking any of it up first and hope no one calls you out on it? 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Definitely. 

 

Now it's  @Bacarty2 turn to talk.  Remember guys, we're in the sharing circle.  

Lamar Jackson is the closest thing the NFL has seen to Vick since Vick.  Regardless of what the stats may say, he's still not as dangerous with the ball in his hands as Vick and he still doesn't have Vick's insane release and arm talent.  It didn't end well for Vick and it won't end well for a less-talented Jackson.  

Lamar Jackson is 8th in the NFL in rushing yards since 2019, just 100 yards outside the top 5.  Everyone else on that list is a declining asset.  

 

 

So is he.  This is what happens when you subject your body to that.

37 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

That Athletic rankings from NFL sources is pretty good. I'd probably make a few minor changes, but it's mostly spot-on. Hurts was ranked T-20th with... Carson Wentz.

T-20. Jalen Hurts

Hurts jumped 10 spots from last season, the largest year-over-year gain (Burrow climbed nine spots). Some of that was because Hurts debuted so low as a player with minimal experience and a modest pedigree, but voters also admire Hurts for his approach to the game despite seeing limitations that most feel will prevent Hurts from climbing into Tier 2.

"He is a poor man’s Baltimore guy (Jackson) because he can’t run that fast, but he’s so serious about his job, and he’s physically and mentally tough,” an offensive coach said. "He will play very, very consistent. He just won’t be a good enough passer over time to get out of the 3s.”

A quandary awaits Philadelphia if Hurts remains the starter.

"Their staff did a masterful job adjusting the offense for Hurts,” a defensive coach said. "It is just very rare that you are going to have sustainable success running a college-style offense with a limited passer. You are on a path where you are either going to recreate Baltimore’s offense or Hurts is going to prove to you that he can play in a pro-style offense or you are going to get a new quarterback.”

Two head coaches did think Hurts could ascend into Tier 2.

"Jalen is a 3 with an arrow to maybe a 2,” one of the head coaches said. "I love the guy. We couldn’t take him as high as Philly took him, him but if he would have fallen, we were definitely interested. I like that he wants to be really good, and I thought he was playing some pretty good football last year.”

The prevailing thought on Hurts is that he’s doing an excellent job running an offense that the Eagles’ coaching staff has effectively tailored to his strengths, and that he’ll need to grow considerably as a passer for Philly to contend.

"If the guy can’t stand there and win on third down with his arm, you don’t have a chance,” an offensive coordinator said.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

T-20. Jalen Hurts

Hurts jumped 10 spots from last season, the largest year-over-year gain (Burrow climbed nine spots). Some of that was because Hurts debuted so low as a player with minimal experience and a modest pedigree, but voters also admire Hurts for his approach to the game despite seeing limitations that most feel will prevent Hurts from climbing into Tier 2.

"He is a poor man’s Baltimore guy (Jackson) because he can’t run that fast, but he’s so serious about his job, and he’s physically and mentally tough,” an offensive coach said. "He will play very, very consistent. He just won’t be a good enough passer over time to get out of the 3s.”

A quandary awaits Philadelphia if Hurts remains the starter.

"Their staff did a masterful job adjusting the offense for Hurts,” a defensive coach said. "It is just very rare that you are going to have sustainable success running a college-style offense with a limited passer. You are on a path where you are either going to recreate Baltimore’s offense or Hurts is going to prove to you that he can play in a pro-style offense or you are going to get a new quarterback.”

Two head coaches did think Hurts could ascend into Tier 2.

"Jalen is a 3 with an arrow to maybe a 2,” one of the head coaches said. "I love the guy. We couldn’t take him as high as Philly took him, him but if he would have fallen, we were definitely interested. I like that he wants to be really good, and I thought he was playing some pretty good football last year.”

The prevailing thought on Hurts is that he’s doing an excellent job running an offense that the Eagles’ coaching staff has effectively tailored to his strengths, and that he’ll need to grow considerably as a passer for Philly to contend.

"If the guy can’t stand there and win on third down with his arm, you don’t have a chance,” an offensive coordinator said.

F***ing racists 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

T-20. Jalen Hurts

Hurts jumped 10 spots from last season, the largest year-over-year gain (Burrow climbed nine spots). Some of that was because Hurts debuted so low as a player with minimal experience and a modest pedigree, but voters also admire Hurts for his approach to the game despite seeing limitations that most feel will prevent Hurts from climbing into Tier 2.

"He is a poor man’s Baltimore guy (Jackson) because he can’t run that fast, but he’s so serious about his job, and he’s physically and mentally tough,” an offensive coach said. "He will play very, very consistent. He just won’t be a good enough passer over time to get out of the 3s.”

A quandary awaits Philadelphia if Hurts remains the starter.

"Their staff did a masterful job adjusting the offense for Hurts,” a defensive coach said. "It is just very rare that you are going to have sustainable success running a college-style offense with a limited passer. You are on a path where you are either going to recreate Baltimore’s offense or Hurts is going to prove to you that he can play in a pro-style offense or you are going to get a new quarterback.”

Two head coaches did think Hurts could ascend into Tier 2.

"Jalen is a 3 with an arrow to maybe a 2,” one of the head coaches said. "I love the guy. We couldn’t take him as high as Philly took him, him but if he would have fallen, we were definitely interested. I like that he wants to be really good, and I thought he was playing some pretty good football last year.”

The prevailing thought on Hurts is that he’s doing an excellent job running an offense that the Eagles’ coaching staff has effectively tailored to his strengths, and that he’ll need to grow considerably as a passer for Philly to contend.

"If the guy can’t stand there and win on third down with his arm, you don’t have a chance,” an offensive coordinator said.

And we've already seen the ceiling of Baltimore's offense, with a more dynamic running QB.  The regular season looks great at 14-2, then the season ends when the playoffs start -- down 28-6 after 3 quarters.  There is no purpose in trying to re-create that.

Just curious question how many years do people think lamar Jackson has left at The level we’ve seen as a starter? I look at vick he had about 7 years with his style of prime QB play. However missed nearly an entire year due to injury and then 2 years due to the prison time, which may have helped his body not take as many hits but also took away from peak prime years. So likely 8-9 if the prison situation didn’t happen. Lamar is entering year 5. I’d guess he has 5-6 years at the level as the best case scenario. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just curious question how many years do people think lamar Jackson has left at The level we’ve seen as a starter? I look at vick he had about 7 years with his style of prime QB play. However missed nearly an entire year due to injury and then 2 years due to the prison time, which may have helped his body not take as many hits but also took away from peak prime years. So likely 8-9 if the prison situation didn’t happen. Lamar is entering year 5. I’d guess he has 5-6 years at the level as the best case scenario. 

Defenses are adjusting to his running prowess already.  6.9 ypc in his MVP season, down to 6.3 the following season, and down again to 5.8 ypc last season.

He was extremely efficient as a passer in 2019 but has regressed in that area as well the past couple of seasons.  My guess is Jackson has 2-3 years of really good football left; after that he'll be a far overpriced commodity.  If I were Eric DeCosta, I would consider walking away instead of giving him a huge contract -- but BAL is tied to him, much like the Cards are with Murray.

31 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

12 points in the playoff if fact. Common sense shows you it was actually 6 points with trash time, or Hurts time. 

Yes, it's fact you're more likely to get injured again after your first injury. Especially when it's an ankle on a running QB. 

And again, you bring up a regular season game against the chiefs. How did Lamar do in the playoffs last year?

The best part, his "friends" are doing shady, side room deals to get off his team. lol

 

Lamar wasn't in the playoffs last year due to injury. 

And yes, I bring up a regular season game against the Chiefs because you have literally said:

 

He "Beats up on bad teams during the regular season(remind you of anyone) and then falls flat on his face against real teams". 

and

"Ignore what? your definition of a good team?

over .500 means your a good team? gtfo" 

 

So yeah, I guess sorry for responding directly to what you said. 

9 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

He's 1-3 against the chiefs, chief. Thanks for backing up my point.

1/3 of his career wins are beating up the terrible Browns/Bengals. 

And yes, HE DIDNT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS LAST YEAR BECAUSE HE GOT HURT!

 

Wouldn't 1/3 of most QBs career wins be against divisional opponents? 

He has a winning record against teams with a winning record.  If he is so bad against good teams as you've tried to ignorantly claim then he would not have a winning record against teams with a winning record. 

And yes he didn't make the playoffs last year because he was injured.  Both being injured and missing time and missing the playoffs were firsts in his career.  Fact is he is a winner as seen by his career record and he will have many chances throughout his career to go onto deep playoff runs. 

From the Athletic

A.J. Brown 

There’s an interesting note in the Eagles media guide that Brown has led all receivers with 10 receptions of 50 yards or more since he entered the league three seasons ago. More than a few of those have come via Brown breaking tackles on shorter passes and busting a big play, but it’s also a reminder of one area in which Hurts can take a step forward. Last year, Hurts completed only 11 of his 44 attempts that traveled at least 25 yards in the air beyond the line of scrimmage. Only Taylor Heinicke, Ryan Tannehill, Sam Darnold and Jared Goff completed a lower percentage of their downfield throws among quarterbacks with at least 20 such attempts, per TruMedia.

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

you act like he's got this amazing record against teams with winning records.

He's 11-9 in his career when you add in the playoffs against winning teams.

Which means hes like 25-6 aainst bad teams LOL. 

But sure man. Lamar OWNSSSSS good teams

 

Who are some other young QBs that you consider to be good/great in the league and let's see how their record is against teams with winning records. 

And again, as is common with you either intentionally deceitful or ignorantly so, you have given bad information.  His record in the regular season against teams with a winning record is 13-10. 

Lamar Jackson is a good QB. He’d be an upgrade to what we have. Yes, I’d prefer Josh Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, or Herbert but Jackson is a good player. The chances of the Ravens finding a better QB in the next 3-4 seasons is very small.
 

Don’t know why ppl feel the need to overcomplicate things. They’re a playoff team with him and a below average team without him. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

O, so he's 14-13 in total. Wow, such a world beater lol.

I'm unsure what you dont get. "winning records" means nothing. Eagles had a winning record and they were putrid last year. 

He's 1-3 in the playoffs, he looked like dog crap in all 4 games and he basically averaged 6 points. 

Great, he can beat the a 9-7, in September, at home. WOW! fantastic. 

 

He beat the #2 seed Chiefs team on the road, not a 9-7 team at home. 

 

Please, name some young QBs that you feel are good/great and we can look at their career record and record against winning teams. Without looking into it first I think the only one you're going to find with a better record in those areas is Mahomes. 

popping in to give my current thoughts on Hurts:

• Pulling for him to progress immensly from what we saw in the Tampa game, they really confused him and made him ineffective. Hope he learns, though we may not really know till we meet a good team who can take away all his run lanes and force him to stay in the pocket to beat them. That might not happen till we get in the playoffs again?
• The team is set up rather nicely where he has been given everything he needs to be successful. No real issues on Offense. And the Defense should be better. 
• No doubt he can "scramble his way" into the playoffs again, but I really need to see him progress in the passing game, with reading defenses post snap quickly and making the right throw on time. Or making the playoffs doesn't matter. 

Now if he craps the bed again with another Tampa like playoff game:

• what QB's do we want to watch in College for possible drafting in 2023?
• If we have to draft a new QB in 2023- This team is in decent shape for a young guy to come in and produce. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

HE'S 1-3 AGAINST THEM IN HIS CAREER!!!!!!!

You're best argument is, he's 1 game over .500 against teams over .500 LOL 

STOP. 

 

3rd straight time I am now requesting you to put forth some young QBs that you consider to be good/great so we can take a look at their record for their career as well as their record against winning teams. 

6 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Lamar Jackson is a good QB. He’d be an upgrade to what we have. Yes, I’d prefer Josh Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, or Herbert but Jackson is a good player. The chances of the Ravens finding a better QB in the next 3-4 seasons is very small.
 

Don’t know why ppl feel the need to overcomplicate things. They’re a playoff team with him and a below average team without him. 

He would be an upgrade- but he will have only a short career in the NFL, similar to Cam Newton. Unless he also progresses as a pocket passer. And I dont see him doing that yet. Very few run first QB's who rely on their athletic ability, progress enough as a pocket passer to extend their careers past a few highlight filled years. Most end up like RGIII, Vick, Newton. 

We will see. 

2 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Since I rarely post in TATE these days he must of searched the board for the last time I posted which is the gamer forum.... He gave a confused emoji response to 10 of my comments in there lol. WTF sense does that make? 

Maybe he'd be less confused if you stopped DM'ing him pics of you in a bra and panties Buffalo Bill! 

2 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

A Defensive Coordinator comments on Lamar

 

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This is the most accurate description of Lamar Jackson I've ever read.  Great football player, amazing athlete, but no chance would I want him running a 2 minute offense against a playoff defense that will confuse the sheet out of him.  

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

1) we're not talking about other quarterbacks

2) winning record vs winning teams is a dumb stat. As shown by last years Eagles,

 

Okay, so you start off by bringing up a false claim about Lamar how he only beats bad teams and can't beat good teams.  His career record against win ing teams shows this is incorrect. You tehn say his record isn't even that good.

So to counter this I ask you to name some good young QBs and we can compare Lamar against good teams to his peers.  You no retract on all points that you originally tried to make. 

Lol