19 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Hurts doesn't give the team the best chance to win if he plays like he did against the Giants in their first game.  Hurts has more ability as a playmaker with his legs than any QB on the roster.  He is not someone who is otherwise a low floor player.  He has shown he has both a low floor as a passer and nothing more than an average ceiling.  Minshew has been a functional passer as a back up.  I think they would have done better with him at times last season and possibly in the playoff game.  I am not sure the playoff game matters because the defense was too trash to win.  Hurts has more unrealized potential as a QB.  He was a relatively high investment as a pick.  I see no harm in seeing if he can become a better QB.  I also don't think there is any reason not to see if Minshew would do better if Hurts looks bad in the first few games.  If Minshew comes in and is JimmyG like, then the team could do much better than they will under Hurts.  I wouldn't mind Strong also getting a few games if they need to evaluate him.  My view is that Hurts should be on a short leash because unless he looks like an above average passer almost from the first game, he has no future here as a starting QB.  

Time

the harm is time

3 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Anyone hear anything on how we used Reddick today?

He mostly dropped into coverage

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He mostly dropped into coverage

Seriously?

5 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Seriously?

Yes, not joking. 

Don't think it means much though. Day 1, no pads, etc. Bo Wulf said there was a sack during the last 11v11 which would be credited to Reddick but it was the only time he rushed the passer. 

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It seems like Reddick’s usage will be a season-long discussion point. In his first snap of camp, he drops into coverage and vacates an area left open for Gainwell to grab a short touchdown pass from Hurts. Most of Reddick’s reps on the day will come in coverage rather than rushing the passer. Now, this is just one day of practice and the goal right now is to get the very basic tenets of the defense down, so we shouldn’t get ahead of ourselves. But the Eagles gave Reddick $30 million guaranteed to boost a pass rush that finished 31st in the league last year, not to run with tight ends.

 

I keep writing down "7 (Reddick) is dropping again” in my notebook,

Hurts then hits Watkins for a touchdown on a pre-planned rollout to his right before ending the period with a sack for the defense. Credit the sack to Reddick, who finally got to do what he does best.

Graham was also apparently dropping into coverage a lot as well, so I don't think it means anything other than just using reps and working on weaknesses.

Sirianni's got jokes.

We storm the Bastille if Reddick is dropping into coverage come Week 1.

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He mostly dropped into coverage

One practice in and I think Gannon needs to go more than Hurts.  

19 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Time

the harm is time

Well I don't think they should waste the season for his development.  I just can't see a scenario where he doesn't start game one. 

I don't know why you guys are so surprised, Gannon was even dropping Moorehead into coverage.

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

I am on the other side. I think it's strange that people on here seem to think Hurts doesn't give the team the best chance to win and that if only the team, the media and NFL experts were as smart as they were, they could see it as well. I am not critical of people for criticizing Hurts. I am critical of people for having opinions that are detached from reality. 

But if giving the team the best chance to win means being a run heavy team again then they are wasting 2 years worth of 1st round draft picks and $100 million.

Hurts best attribute is running the ball.  That's it. 

I've yet to hear someone go through all of the things Hurts does well as a QB or that he is superior at than Minshew or any other QB.  No, we can't take away his running ability and that aspect of his game does help him.  But if defenses find a way to slow him down, or he gets hurt and has to lean on his arm, then the Eagles are in trouble.  

 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't know why you guys are so surprised, Gannon was even dropping Moorehead into coverage.

Thanks for all the TC tweets, @LeanMeanGM

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

I havent seen the Eagles run a wheel route since the 2017 Playoffs. 

Miles Sanders would have to delay that route by 5 seconds in order for Hurts to actually hit him in stride. 

PE.com is off to a strong start to camp coverage! Dead horse beaten I know but it's incredible how much the Philly fans have really been shut off from this team.  Someone shared the Cowboys, Giants and Steelers practice schedules earlier and so many of them were open to the public.  

The Steelers website puts the Eagles to shame.  Might have to share it with Mike Kaye who a few weeks back claimed the Eagles was the best in the league. 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

PE.com is off to a strong start to camp coverage! Dead horse beaten I know but it's incredible how much the Philly fans have really been shut off from this team.  Someone shared the Cowboys, Giants and Steelers practice schedules earlier and so many of them were open to the public.  

The Steelers website puts the Eagles to shame.  Might have to share it with Mike Kaye who a few weeks back claimed the Eagles was the best in the league. 

Long live the days of Eagles Live. Those were electric.

16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

But if giving the team the best chance to win means being a run heavy team again then they are wasting 2 years worth of 1st round draft picks and $100 million.

Hurts best attribute is running the ball.  That's it. 

I've yet to hear someone go through all of the things Hurts does well as a QB or that he is superior at than Minshew or any other QB.  No, we can't take away his running ability and that aspect of his game does help him.  But if defenses find a way to slow him down, or he gets hurt and has to lean on his arm, then the Eagles are in trouble.  

 

The only argument I’ve seen from them is…he could improve, and then they list off all the hard work bs.

I work hard too, trying to win the lottery….hasn’t happened yet but it could

18 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

But if giving the team the best chance to win means being a run heavy team again then they are wasting 2 years worth of 1st round draft picks and $100 million.

Hurts best attribute is running the ball.  That's it. 

I've yet to hear someone go through all of the things Hurts does well as a QB or that he is superior at than Minshew or any other QB.  No, we can't take away his running ability and that aspect of his game does help him.  But if defenses find a way to slow him down, or he gets hurt and has to lean on his arm, then the Eagles are in trouble.  

 

So you think the team should demote Hurts and start Minshew?

9 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

The only argument I’ve seen from them is…he could improve, and then they list off all the hard work bs.

I work hard too, trying to win the lottery….hasn’t happened yet but it could

What’s the Canadian lottery payout? An endless supply of maple syrup? 

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

The only argument I’ve seen from them is…he could improve, and then they list off all the hard work bs.

I work hard too, trying to win the lottery….hasn’t happened yet but it could

I find it troubling Hurts doesn't give any direct answers to questions; mostly a lot of cliches like "climb the mountain, climb the mountain, climb the mountain", or "chips on chips on chips" "every day, every day", and the like.

Brian Westbrook has a pretty no-nonsense opinion on Hurts; he says Hurts hasn't been good enough so far.  He believes Hurts can improve, but he needs to see it.  I watched an interview with him earlier this week and he says he met up with Hurts and asked him what he's been working on during the offseason.  Hurts' reply was "Man, just everything.  Everything we've been talking about".

I hate answers like that.  The questions get harder when the team doesn't meet expectations; there's only so much time when people will accept the vague and cliche answers.

3 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

My 2nd least favorite player behind Reagor

Idk JJAW is pretty high up there. 

4 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You mean like we did last year in 7v7 joint practices? I don’t know, @brkmsn what do you think?  How do you rank the Dolphins defense this preseason and how do you suppose Hurts will fair in 7v7 drills?

I don't think NFL.com put one out yet, but here's one for you since you are anxious:

https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-defense-rankings/

12. Miami Dolphins

Sam Navarro-USA TODAY Sports

The Miami Dolphins defense finished with third-highest pressure rate (28.5%) and the seventh-lowest QB rating allowed (85.4) during the regular season. While Brian Flores is gone, a majority of the defensive coaching staff returns and every impact starter is back.

Also Read:
NFL Top 100 players in 2022: Aaron Donald headlines best NFL players this season

One player who deserves a spotlight is safety Jevon Holland. Even as a rookie, he showed the qualities of being an elite center fielder. Playing a position that is all about experience and recognition, he should take another step forward in 2022. If he does and edge rusher Jaelan Phillips is more destructive off the edge, there’s a strong chance this unit ranks among the 10 best NFL defenses this season.

48 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

But if giving the team the best chance to win means being a run heavy team again then they are wasting 2 years worth of 1st round draft picks and $100 million.

Hurts best attribute is running the ball.  That's it. 

I've yet to hear someone go through all of the things Hurts does well as a QB or that he is superior at than Minshew or any other QB.  No, we can't take away his running ability and that aspect of his game does help him.  But if defenses find a way to slow him down, or he gets hurt and has to lean on his arm, then the Eagles are in trouble.  

 

The bucs showed how easy it is to stop him

he cant read

27 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

So you think the team should demote Hurts and start Minshew?

Hurts never had to compete for his job. He got lucky that Wentz imploded.  If the Eagles were smart they would have brought in a veteran to compete last year at the very least.  Not the whole Flacco thing. 
 

I wouldn’t hand the keys to Minshew either. I would be very curious how an open competition at QB would fall out.  Minshews numbers across the board for his career are better than Hurts.  Minshew is a better distributor of the football.  He would get the ball in to the hands of the weapons the Eagles have invested in better than Hurts does.  Hurts runs the ball better than Minshew. That’s it. 

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Hurts never had to compete for his job. He got lucky that Wentz imploded.  If the Eagles were smart they would have brought in a veteran to compete last year at the very least.  Not the whole Flacco thing. 
 

I wouldn’t hand the keys to Minshew either. I would be very curious how an open competition at QB would fall out.  Minshews numbers across the board for his career are better than Hurts.  Minshew is a better distributor of the football.  He would get the ball in to the hands of the weapons the Eagles have invested in better than Hurts does.  Hurts runs the ball better than Minshew. That’s it. 

Best case scenario seeing as there will be no legitimate competition, Hurts plays 4-5 games, has to miss multiple games due to injury and Minshew gets to run the same offense for 4-5 weeks in a row.

Then we get to see the difference between a RB and a QB running the offense.

36 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I find it troubling Hurts doesn't give any direct answers to questions; mostly a lot of cliches like "climb the mountain, climb the mountain, climb the mountain", or "chips on chips on chips" "every day, every day", and the like.

Brian Westbrook has a pretty no-nonsense opinion on Hurts; he says Hurts hasn't been good enough so far.  He believes Hurts can improve, but he needs to see it.  I watched an interview with him earlier this week and he says he met up with Hurts and asked him what he's been working on during the offseason.  Hurts' reply was "Man, just everything.  Everything we've been talking about".

I hate answers like that.  The questions get harder when the team doesn't meet expectations; there's only so much time when people will accept the vague and cliche answers.

I don't disagree with you, but that said, no good really comes out of answering questions like that truthfully ... you tip off opponents to what you have been working on and give fodder to all your critics to bombard you with.

It would be nice, though, to see more intelligent answers that address the question, such as "I do not want to say exactly what so I do not tip off opponents, but I'll just say that in addition to conditioning, I worked on a series of drills that changed each month that were focused on improving all facets of my game ... some were in areas I feel I need to improve, and some were in areas that are strengths I want to take advantage of even more."

31 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Hurts never had to compete for his job.

False.  Tua says hi.