2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Please don’t dig this BS up in here again.  The SJW Pillars have run away, for now.  Please don’t bring them back.  

What are SJW Pillars?

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

If you actually read what I wrote, instead of the knee jerk reaction pushing your agenda, which is the typical MO on a message board, my point wasn't Hurts = Allen, but that he threw deep as much as Allen, BECAUSE mobility allows both QBs to buy time and let receivers get deep.

The other point is that Allen's production wasn't so spectacular that it was out of reach for Hurts if he incrementally improves. On this team, he doesn't have to engage in physical heroics, with this OL and the addition of real skilled people he just has to be more efficient. But the mobility and running makes him valuable, it helped guys like Jeff Garcia and Rich Gannon, not just running the ball, but buying time, making something out of nothing when plays break down, etc.

The key isn't Hurts suddenly developing a rocket arm, it's becoming more consistent series to series and game to game, little incremental improvements like faster reads, better mechanics, anticipating his receivers (where playing in the same scheme helps a young QB), etc.

Will he do it? Who knows? That why they play the games.

But this offense has a chance to be a juggernaut, it doesn't require a HOF QB, just someone who can pull the right levers and let the machine roll over opponents.

And Hurts doesn't have to post huge numbers, one thing I'm watching this year will be the screen game, something they haven't done well in recent years, but with this OL, they should be able to use it to make big plays. Slants to Brown are something they haven't been able to exploit b/c they haven't had that kind of WR (outside of TO for one season). Play action with this run game will open up the seam as it freezes LBs. But running the ball will be a big part of the offense, even if not to the extent of last year's second half.

I think it's safe to assume Hurts will improve.  Even if, however, he improves to the point of a Jeff Garcia, does that mean the Eagles should not look to upgrade the position? I am assuming an offensive juggernaut would mean a top 5 offensive team.  I think that level of performance will require a highly efficient QB.  I don't think he's going to make that jump.  Absent that kind of improvement, this team looks like a marginal playoff team depending on the defense.  Your comment begs the question about your opinion on Hurts if the team isn't a top 5 offense.  If the offense does not operate like that despite the current personnel, doesn't that make it clear that they must move on from Hurts? 

10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Please don’t dig this BS up in here again.  The SJW Pillars have run away, for now.  Please don’t bring them back.  

I thought I was the Antifa SJW Pillar? 

The two QBs I look at for Hurts' ceiling in this offense are Jeff Garcia and Rich Gannon.

Both had less physical talent than Hurts, both were late bloomers, Garcia b/c he was too short with a weak arm and had to go to Canada, Gannon b/c of whatever.

But at their peak they made the pro bowl 3 or more seasons, Gannon was all pro twice.

Prescott is also in this mold, but more athletic. Alex Smith in KC, though he was really challenged in terms of arm strength after his injury.

If Garoppolo could stay healthy, he'd be a top ten QB.

Point is you can be a top ten QB without a rocket arm, you need to smart and mobile, and in the right offense.

Eagles are putting together that offense, top running game with RBs who should excel in the screen game, WRs who can run slants and gain YAC (Brown), quick WRs who can get open inside of 20 yards (Smith, Watkins), big athletic TE (Goedert). In this kind of offense, the QB acts more like a point guard, distributing the ball but letting his skill players make plays.

If Hurts can't make it work, it still makes it much easier to find a QB than having to land the next Mahomes, which is close to impossible.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I thought I was the Antifa SJW Pillar? 

I thought you were a Proud Boy?

12 minutes ago, justrelax said:

What are SJW Pillars?

One of Mike Lindell's new products 

1 minute ago, Iggles25 said:

One of Mike Lindell's new products 

@Iggles25 wins the blog today

 

12 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Maybe it's PTSD from the last years with Wentz, but Levis is a little too reckless for my taste, both with the ball and by putting his body in harm's way. I would still take him over Young though.

Stroud seems like a longshot. Richardson and Van Dyke are the two I am really keen to watch this year.

I think Tanner McKee at Stanford and Devin Leary at NC State may be worthwhile.  Jerkovec at BC may be a decent prospect. I agree that Levis reminds me of Wentz but I do like his arm and mobility.  I am not sold on Richardson.  I am just not sure how good a passer he will be and he hasn't played much.  KJ Jefferson may also be a potential pick.  

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Eagles are putting together that offense, top running game with RBs who should excel in the screen game, WRs who can run slants and gain YAC (Brown), quick WRs who can get open inside of 20 yards (Smith, Watkins), big athletic TE (Goedert). In this kind of offense, the QB acts more like a point guard, distributing the ball but letting his skill players make plays.

 

Call me skeptical:

 

 

 

1	J. HurtsQB	15	15	139	9.3	784
2	M. SandersRB	12	12	137	11.4	754

21 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Don’t worry.  You’re not included.  

Whew! That's a relief.

I think.

9 minutes ago, downundermike said:

@Iggles25 wins the blog today

 

Hell yeah, getting laid tonight! Ladies love a winner!

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The two QBs I look at for Hurts' ceiling in this offense are Jeff Garcia and Rich Gannon.

Both had less physical talent than Hurts, both were late bloomers, Garcia b/c he was too short with a weak arm and had to go to Canada, Gannon b/c of whatever.

But at their peak they made the pro bowl 3 or more seasons, Gannon was all pro twice.

Prescott is also in this mold, but more athletic. Alex Smith in KC, though he was really challenged in terms of arm strength after his injury.

If Garoppolo could stay healthy, he'd be a top ten QB.

Point is you can be a top ten QB without a rocket arm, you need to smart and mobile, and in the right offense.

Eagles are putting together that offense, top running game with RBs who should excel in the screen game, WRs who can run slants and gain YAC (Brown), quick WRs who can get open inside of 20 yards (Smith, Watkins), big athletic TE (Goedert). In this kind of offense, the QB acts more like a point guard, distributing the ball but letting his skill players make plays.

If Hurts can't make it work, it still makes it much easier to find a QB than having to land the next Mahomes, which is close to impossible.

While Hurts may continue to develop over the next 10 years, what is the cost to the team for keeping him? I don't think you can extend a QB for less than something like $25 to $45 million a season.  Unless the QB is a win with QB prospect, I don't see the sense in keeping him.  I also just don't see him flashing signs of potential growth.  Both Gannon and Garcia, came to the NFL showed upside.  I think they're not good comparisons. Gannon ran a wing-T offense in college.  His arm strength was very good but he didn't throw the prettiest ball. I think Gannon wasn't exactly a late bloomer but he didn't get a chance to develop in Min. He led them to an 11-5 record but wasn't the best passer.  He was replaced by Sean Salisbury at the end of the season because of an injury who looked more like a natural passer and they did not keep Gannon the next season.  Gannon then played spot starter and back up until Gruden signed him to replace Jeff George.  He blossomed when he got to start on a talented roster with a good offensive coach.  I think Gannon was comparable to Steve Young.  I don't see him at all like  Hurts.  I also think the Raiders may have beaten Tampa but for Sapp intentionally hurting Gannon.  Garcia didn't have a rocket arm but was efficient and of course played with TO.  I think Garcia's arm strength was probably similar but he was a much quicker decision maker and utilized the entire field.  I don't see that from Hurts.  

While finding an elite QB is hard, you can't find one without making stabs at it.  

 

 

On 8/4/2022 at 4:08 PM, austinfan said:

We do this all the time for white people who don't garner votes. Nor does she really matter politically, no one is going to vote based on getting her back.

Griner probably brought her vapes in for years without an issue, this isn't about "justice," b/c there is no "justice" (procedural or substantive) in Russia.  There is no "rule of law." One day they don't care, the next she's sentenced to 9 years.

They just made an example of her b/c we're supporting the Ukrainians, and want bargaining chips to trade for their KGB arms dealer.

 

Now if you want to talk about Anti-American behavior, I'd say an organized campaign to spread fraudulent rumors and claims about a legitimate election, then attempt a violent reversal of that election, is about as "Anti-American" as you can get - some might call it treason on the same level as Aaron Burr. Far worse than sitting during the National Anthem, especially by those who took oaths to uphold the Constitution.

 

I don't know about all that, but I do agree with your opinion that she wouldn't be locked up right now if it wasn't for Biden and his war in Ukraine.  

18 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Whew! That's a relief.

I think.

Too late, I already signed you up for an Antifa mailing list.  

32 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I thought you were a Proud Boy?

I am but what are they? 

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

 

 

Will you guys let me know when Hurts is 6'5" and can make a throw like this.

 

 

Hurts couldn't do that in his best dream.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Didn't even know this guy was on the team. 

But he get's a ring after we win the SB this year!

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Didn't even know this guy was on the team. 

Lasted a week. Camp body. 

11 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

While finding an elite QB is hard, you can't find one without making stabs at it. 

Hard is an understatement, there are maybe 5 at best per decade.

A good QB is a feasible goal, an elite QB requires a lot of luck.

12 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Too late, I already signed you up for an Antifa mailing list.  

I am but what are they? 

Boys who are proud to be Bois.

Paging Neville Chamberlain.

13 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think Garcia's arm strength was probably similar but he was a much quicker decision maker and utilized the entire field.  I don't see that from Hurts.  

Garcia also threw more than 2,000 passes on a wider field over 4 seasons immediately before going to SF, and that was more than 25 years ago.  He had very well developed skills as a pocket passer upon entering the NFL 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

I would rank next years QB's

CJ Stroud

Will Levis

Tyler Van Dyke

Tanner McKee

Anthony Richardson

Bryce Young

Spencer Rattler

Phil Jurkovec

Hendon Hooker

DJ Uiagalelei

 

Check out Brennan Armstrong of UVA, kid can play. 

3 hours ago, Ipiggles said:

Tell me which, if any, parts of this statement is wrong about Biology-

"There are predominantly 2 biological sexes in Humans today representing 99% of the population, while intersex is approximately born at a rate of 1%."

I am not talking about how someone "FEELS" I am talking purely from an anotomical perspective. The Chromosomes/sexual reproductive organs as it were, determining the sex of the human.

Once upon a time (e.g. for Neanderthals) sex/gender was determined by looking at sexual reproductive organs. Then as knowledge was acquired, societies all across the globe abandoned "P fixation" and recognized that there were these little components of each human cell called chromosomes, and that they came in X and Y form, with females having two X chromosomes and males having one X and one Y.  To torture the "P fixation" metaphor, we had progressed to a binary "chromosome fixation."  Then as more knowledge was acquired, the globe recognized that approximately 1% of the babies born were not strictly binary.  As a result the "chromosome fixation" was modified to accommodate that 1%, although there were many people across the globe who saw intersex (as you called them) humans as an abomination.  Some even advocated stoning them to death.  Then as more knowledge was acquired, most notably the ability to use computers to sequence genetic material biological/medical science found that X and Y were not in fact binary.

So, your statement would be correct in (let's say) 1930, but it is no longer correct today.  Bottom-line, your statement is living in the past.

NOTE: feelings can not be genetically sequenced.

19 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Check out Brennan Armstrong of UVA, kid can play. 

He can, but that throwing motion which looks like a left handed Philip Rivers is going to hinder him at the next level. 

QBs I like heading into the season 
 

Ward

Rising

Levis

Hall

Jurkovec

Rogers

Rattler

 

 

It’s a bit early to pick the best QB prospect right now; the vast majority of these guys have only finished their sophomore seasons.  By the end of this season there will be a much clearer picture of how many of these QBs can thrive at the professional level.

It’s quite possible there will be a QB not yet on the radar who will emerge, much like Burrow did.  Stroud and Young only have a head start because they’re incumbents at the biggest schools and have been whipping Walnut Grove Elementary School for 1-2 seasons already.