9 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Leave me out of it

You are it.

13 hours ago, Utebird said:

If my grandma had a wheel she'd be a bicycle.

Sure Ben Smith was on upward trajectory but ultimately didnt because of the injury.

Taylor and Vincent both made pro bowls as eagles Smith never did.

Also ronyell young and herm Edwards were a pretty good pair as well.

Darby and Mills shouldnt even be in the top 10, Darby barely even played as an eagle as he was always hurt  Mills was trash out side of the red zone for one season.

I'd go 

1 Vincent Taylor

2. Allen ,Smith

3 .Asante, Brown

4. Lito, Brown.

5 Young, Edwards.

...

 

 

 

 

 

no, she would be an old lady with a wheel. 

13 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Was having a discussion with a colleague...

Excluding QB, the Eagles have a top-ten roster.  Yes or no?

 

Stipulation....of course the QB matters most.

Yes

8 hours ago, St0nedsk8er said:

Years ago, during the birth years of YouTube there was a guy that called himself "deer hunter” it was a semi with a huge plow attached to the front of it, and he was just mowing down deer after deer on some sort of freeway. Idk where the F it was, but at first when you see it you feel bad but then when you realize they don’t stop coming it’s kinda like gods work 😂

Sounds like a dewsh bag to me

13 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

I would have to agree, no one was better at biting of the fake and getting burned deep then Mills. He was just a master at it. 

Sorry. @ToastJenkins would disagree.

13 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Was having a discussion with a colleague...

Excluding QB, the Eagles have a top-ten roster.  Yes or no?

Stipulation....of course the QB matters most.

If we had a safety on the roster I could trust, or a CB2... maybe.  But, it is hard for me to declare any roster to be top 10, when 3 defensive positions are completely ignored, or being held together by bubble gum and duct tape.  And then, of course, there's the QB issue...  The team likely could mask their deficiencies in the secondary, if they had a QB that could win shoot outs.  This team isn't built that way.    With a better QB, maybe on the order of a Derek Carr, I'd say yes, top 10, but in the 8 - 10 range.  Without that and with the secondary deficiency, that places this team in a range of 12 - 18.    If this team were built with a stud QB, I'd say that if things fell right, they could legitimately compete for a SB, even with the flaws on the roster.  No team is perfect.  Having the right QB can mask those issues pretty well.   But, the flip side of that is that the wrong QB can sink your team just as easily.   With Hurts at the helm, this is a team that should, and likely will, win almost all of the games against the weakest opponents.  And, it will likely lose to all the teams above them, just like last year.  They lost to every team above them in the standings (tied with the Saints, but only won because they faced a worse QB), and they beat every team below them in the standings (with a split against the Giants).

7 minutes ago, greend said:

Sounds like a dewsh bag to me

Yup.  

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

Sorry. @ToastJenkins would disagree.

Dude, really ??  Like this wasn’t discussed already.

Bengals drafted 2/3 safeties this year.  Daxton Hill, Tycen Anderson, Cam Taylor-Britt.  Gotta think they're going to move Bates III no?  I'd like to see Davis and Cox playing on the line together but I'm wondering if there is going to be a move with Cox that this could be it as Bengals are in win now mode.  Obviously it would cost more than Cox to get Bates

Who has the better chance of keeping their starting QB job after this season -- Hurts or Tua?  Both franchises have built up their personnel to the point they should be top 10 NFL offenses.  MIA have a bit more flexibility in that they have a 5th year option on Tua if they choose to exercise it. 

Tua -- 21 starts, 13-8 record, 66.2%, 27 TD and 15 INT (6 running TD)

Hurts -- 19 starts, 9-10 record, 59.0%, 22 TD and 13 INT (13 running TD)

Both are complementary QBs, Tua is the much better passer though. I will say that Hurts and Tua have gone in the opposite directions since they were teammates.

Tua because of injuries is a much diminished QB, while Hurts has improved a lot from his days since Alabama. That one year with Riley really helped him.

I would still lean Tua, but it is not as big a gap between the two as it was during their time at Alabama.

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Who has the better chance of keeping their starting QB job after this season -- Hurts or Tua? 

2021 stats (projected to a 17 game season)

Hurts - 4,451 total yards, 30 total TDs, 13 total turnovers

Tua - 3,636 total yards, 25 total TDs, 14 total turnovers

Unless there is some universe where generating fewer yards, fewer points and more turnovers is considered to be a good thing for an NFL qb, the answer is pretty obvious.

7 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

2021 stats (projected to a 17 game season)

Hurts - 4,451 total yards, 30 total TDs, 13 total turnovers

Tua - 3,636 total yards, 25 total TDs, 14 total turnovers

Unless there is some universe where generating fewer yards, fewer points and more turnovers is considered to be a good thing for an NFL qb, the answer is pretty obvious.

You are adding running tds and yards again.that is where you keep getting confused. Most who evaluate quarterbacks don't use them to build our cases when talking about quarterbacks. It can be used as a tie breaker, but not the sole reason a player is better . Ty for keeping the Madden franchise alive though 

2 hours ago, justrelax said:

Sorry. @ToastJenkins would disagree.

I must suffer from recency bias, because I don't remember any Eagles CB worse than Jalen Mills.  Very little football sense or IQ, almost incapable of turning the ball over, and could be counted on to always jump routes with no safety help.  He was very similar to Leodis McKelvin, except Leodis could usually chase down the WR and tackle them after getting toasted.

We won a Super Bowl with him, though. (Which is proof that teams can win championships in spite of certain players) 

Actually -- Avonte Maddox at outside CB is pretty horrid as well.  Him being outside opposite Slay this season might be worst case scenario.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I must suffer from recency bias, because I don't remember any Eagles CB worse than Jalen Mills.  Very little football sense or IQ, almost incapable of turning the ball over, and could be counted on to always jump routes with no safety help.  He was very similar to Leodis McKelvin, except Leodis could usually chase down the WR and tackle them after getting toasted.

We won a Super Bowl with him, though. (Which is proof that teams can win championships in spite of certain players) 

Actually -- Avonte Maddox at outside CB is pretty horrid as well.  Him being outside opposite Slay this season might be worst case scenario.

Izel Jenkins was the absolute worst. Even his Pro Football Reference page has him listed as "toast."  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JenkIz20.htm

 

13 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Oh thank god.  Really was hoping to see more of Tom Brady

12 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

Would have preferred Gus Johnson and Aquib Talib get the top spot on Fox but that unfortunately was never happening. Brady will be much better than Greg Olsen who Fox will likely trot out as the top team before Brady retires. 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Would have preferred Gus Johnson and Aquib Talib get the top spot on Fox but that unfortunately was never happening. Brady will be much better than Greg Olsen who Fox will likely trot out as the top team before Brady retires. 

 

OMG  Aqib Talib is the worst.  I am sure the NFL Execs realize this and he will never get a lead announcer gig.

I liked Burkhardt and Olsen.  Looking forward to them as the #1 team on Fox this season.

Also looking forward to Buck/Aikman making ESPN broadcasts tolerable again.

12 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

They have ONE championship.   And have been slightly better than mediocre the last 15 years.  

Top 7 franchise in overall wins and top 5 franchise in playoff wins over the last 21 seasons.  

30 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Would have preferred Gus Johnson and Aquib Talib get the top spot on Fox but that unfortunately was never happening. Brady will be much better than Greg Olsen who Fox will likely trot out as the top team before Brady retires. 

Gus Johnson should call every game.  

Last season, Eagles were 11th in DVOA, 14th passing, 3rd rushing.

Since then they've added OL depth, a top WR, and Hurts and Sirianni are in their second season together.

So this should be a top 10, maybe a top 5 offense. Hurts doesn't have to be Mahomes or Allen, he just has to run this offense efficiently. We'll see.

 

The defense is the big question mark, last season 25th in DVOA, 18th against the run, 25th against the pass.

They get Graham back, added Davis and Reddick, and White and Dean to the LB core and get Taylor back. So the front seven is deeper, more talented and more suited to what Gannon wants to do.

Question is the secondary, they brought in a half dozen young DBs last year, and 3 more UDFAs this year. Lost Nelson and McLeod. Comes down to whether Gannon can find some young players out of that group who can make plays behind that front seven. They're younger and faster, are they better?

 

You can speculate all you want, but we really won't have an idea until September, the hardest thing to project off mini-camps and early in TC is the improvement made by 2nd and 3rd year players - those young DBs might look great against backups but falter against real players (see the 2nd Dallas game), or a few might be ready to take that step up. For all we know, Gainwell has gained 5-10 lbs of muscle and will play a much bigger role as a Westbrook type back, or maybe he's made little progress and will be a mediocre 3rd down back. Maybe Watkins will sharpen his route running, Reagor have the light go on, or Hightower learn to track and catch deep balls. Maybe Taylor is stronger and smarter, or flatlines into a decent ST guy but no more.

Every season a few surprise, a few disappoint.

 

 

When Howie traded those picks to move up, he did it in the context of knowing he was going to spend like a drunken sailor on UDFAs:

"Yes, we would love more picks,” Eagles general manager Howie Roseman said after Day 2 of this year’s NFL Draft, knowing he would let this article violate the rule of never beginning with a quote. "But I told Coach (Nick Sirianni) and went and saw the scouts in the draft room, and I said, ‘We have the best undrafted free agency in the history of undrafted free agency. And lucky for us, there’s like 700 more players in this draft.’

"We think we are going to get guys after the draft that are going to be on our front board, and those are going to be extra picks, and we are hopeful some of the guys we would have considered in the sixth and seventh round, we get there.”

Last year, the Eagles handed out their largest guaranteed salary among their crop of undrafted free agents to tight end Jack Stoll, who spent his entire rookie season on the 53-man roster. Stoll, on the back end of what was a 10-player draft class, was guaranteed $122,500 upon signing.

Eagles pay up for 12 undrafted FA rookies: Get to know Carson Strong & the class - The Athletic

Strong reported $320,000 guaranteed. That guarantee is the highest given out by any team this year. (most guarantees offset with practice squad contracts, so there’s little downside so long as the player ends up on a practice squad somewhere.) 

guaranteed Elliss $240,000, Brooks $240,000, Goodrich $217,000

 

So the Eagles changed the offense midway through the season and it still didn't help Hurts