3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

That is my point.  You guys analyze things in a snarky way like the rest of us have no idea how football is played, how offensive line play works.

What was snarky about my post? I post about line play all the time and no one has ever called those posts snarky. Other posts certainly but not those. The reason I asked about access to the replay is that if you have it, I can tell you which plays are pin-and-pull, or inside zone or whatever and you can look for yourself and see what I'm talking about.

13 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Watched the first half again, just to concentrate on the OL (of course) in the run game.

Mostly we ran inside zone. There were a few pin-and-pull runs - where Jurgens really shone; we ran a couple of powers - that's where the center blocks down and a guard pulls around him and leads the back into the A gap and we ran a trap in which Dillard pulled and blocked the DT on the far side of the center. Amazing what Stoutland can do with linemen who can run. More cool stuff: Stoutland pulled guards on pass plays and the throw came on a quick slant to the vacated side. Did it at least twice. How tough is that on an LB? He keys on the guard, follows him, and the ball goes through the area he just vacated. Nightmare for the LB and the DC.

Good stuff, JR.  Reminds me of the two way conversations you used to have with D20.  

I loved those misdirection pulls.  Sure looked like a running play. Then, boom, hit the slant with only a couple of defenders still on that side.  Could be a thing of beauty with a YAC star like Brown.  That’s a combination of Stout and what we heard last year about Sirianni when he  was hired.  The set up looked like a RPO but I suspect that was part of the disguise.

The only thing that bothered me was the illegal man downfield call on Jurgens on the RPO.  I mean, I really doubt that call was accurate and if it was, it wasn’t more than a foot. But it shows that passes on the RPO have to come out fast.  The same is true with those misdirection pulls.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

What?  You don’t like guys from the Raders?

Does that make me even more racist? Am I race baiting now like that Hurts humper EE?

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

These are all questions you need to look from within for answers my friend.  

Idk. EE seems to know everything about racism and what the signs look like. Maybe I can ask him after he's done baiting

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

It's been on and off since we let go of Ertz. and started picking back up last 2 weeks or so. 

Ah ok. I've been gone pretty much all summer and didn't want to read up on the hundreds of pages I missed

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

What was snarky about my post? I post about line play all the time and no one has ever called those posts snarky. Other posts certainly but not those. The reason I asked about access to the replay is that if you have it, I can tell you which plays are pin-and-pull, or inside zone or whatever and you can look for yourself and see what I'm talking about.

Maybe his little group don’t understand line play.  They certainly don’t have your depth of view.  

 Over the years, the nuances you have pointed out about line play have been a joy. Nothing snarky about such discussions.  Please continue.  

Another post I suppose will be characterized as snarky.

We ran a lot of 4-2 fronts or 2-4 fronts, if you prefer, and the Browns ran right at us and we couldn't stop it with the light front. That may change with first stringers but is cause for concern. We got excellent pressure with the 4i front, however.

35 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Just wait until the DAL game and run a goal line play with Mailata at FB and Davis at RB 

I'd put Davis at FB and Mailata at RB.  Mailata the ex ruby player is used to handle the ball.  Davis is good at pushing through big bodies and probably never carry a football.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Maybe his little group don’t understand line play.  They certainly don’t have your depth of view.  

 Over the years, the nuances you have pointed out about line play have been a joy. Nothing snarky about such discussions.  Please continue.  

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2 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

I'd put Davis at FB and Mailata at RB.  Mailata the ex ruby player is used to handle the ball.  Davis is good at pushing through big bodies and probably never carry a football.

https://fanbuzz.com/college-football/sec/georgia/jordan-davis-touchdown/

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

Another post I suppose will be characterized as snarky.

We ran a lot of 4-2 fronts or 2-4 fronts, if you prefer, and the Browns ran right at us and we couldn't stop it with the light front. That may change with first stringers but is cause for concern. We got excellent pressure with the 4i front, however.

Patrick Johnson is at 247 so he can set the edge.  But Kyron Johnson at 235 and Taylor and Dean both in the 220 range with Stevens at LB struggled, especially with the Browns’ second string OL.  Heck, their big DE was Jackson at 254.  (Matt Leo doesn’t count much.). That’s some pretty light DEs with some pretty light LBs. (I actually thought the Bradley looked better at MIKE than Dean albeit against weaker competition.) Eagles won’t have that concentration of light players on the field as starters. Add to that, except for Wren, they also had their lighter DTs and Wren played with the threes.  

No real surprises here besides no Ward. Either he's not that hurt and will practice this week or he has a spot on the team already. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No real surprises here besides Ward. Either he's not that hurt and will practice this week or he has a spot on the team already. 

Ward goes to PS just to drive @Iggles_Phan crazy.  

6 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Another post I suppose will be characterized as snarky.

We ran a lot of 4-2 fronts or 2-4 fronts, if you prefer, and the Browns ran right at us and we couldn't stop it with the light front. That may change with first stringers but is cause for concern. We got excellent pressure with the 4i front, however.

I think there were a couple of reasons for this. For one, Taylor and Dean were pretty bad in run fits (Taylor especially). Also, our depth DEs are somewhat undersized (especially the two Johnsons) and couldn't set the edge.

Davis also didn't look great as a DT. I am hoping it was just general disinterest in playing with the backups rather than a deeper problem. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

How can someone try so hard at looking smarter than he is, use one play in college as an example to use Jordan Davis and Mailata in the run game?
 

 

Oh, I know.  

Once again you hit the daily double: stupid and rude. Congratulations.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

How can someone try so hard at looking smarter than he is, use one play in college as an example to use Jordan Davis and Mailata in the run game?
 

 

Oh, I know.  

Yeah, he really showed Charleston Southern that he is the next Christian Okoye

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I think there were a couple of reasons for this. For one, Taylor and Dean were pretty bad in run fits (Taylor especially). Also, our depth DEs are somewhat undersized (especially the two Johnsons) and couldn't set the edge.

Davis also didn't look great as a DT. I am hoping it was just general disinterest in playing with the backups rather than a deeper problem. 

Also preseason, bad weather, potentially unsafe turf etc with a locked roster spot. Probably just going through the motions. 

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Patrick Johnson is at 247 so he can set the edge.  But Kyron Johnson at 235 and Taylor and Dean both in the 220 range with Stevens at LB struggled, especially with the Browns’ second string OL.  Heck, their big DE was Jackson at 254.  (Matt Leo doesn’t count much.). That’s some pretty light DEs with some pretty light LBs. (I actually thought the Bradley looked better at MIKE than Dean albeit against weaker competition.) Eagles won’t have that concentration of light players on the field as starters. Add to that, except for Wren, they also had their lighter DTs and Wren played with the threes.  

 

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

I think there were a couple of reasons for this. For one, Taylor and Dean were pretty bad in run fits (Taylor especially). Also, our depth DEs are somewhat undersized (especially the two Johnsons) and couldn't set the edge.

Davis also didn't look great as a DT. I am hoping it was just general disinterest in playing with the backups rather than a deeper problem. 

I agree with you both. Wrong personnel for that front. And yes, Davis didn't show much. Not an excuse because everyone else was in the same circumstance - scrimmage Thursday, scrimmage Friday, play Sunday. Got to be wearing, especially on the big guys.

I'm not too concerned about the depth at TE. It's usually dominated by the starter, especially if they are on Goederts level.

Kansas City

Kelce- 1125 yards

Bell- 87 yards

Ravens

Andrews- 1361 yards (damn)

Oliver- 61 yards

Falcons

Pitts- 1026 yards

Hurst- 221 yards

49ers

Kittle- 910 yards

Woerner- 52 yards

Dallas

Schultz- 808 yards

Sprinkle- 31 yards

Tampa

Gronk- 802 yards

Brate- 245 yards

Howard- 135 yards

 

The depth with RB, and especially the lack of size is a valid concern. Sanders is our largest back and injury prone. Who's going to carry the load when Sanders misses his 4+ games? Is Gainwell good enough to be the main back for a short period? I wasn't too thrilled with the performance in some of the short yardage situations against the browns.

6 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

I'm not too concerned about the depth at TE. It's usually dominated by the starter, especially if they are on Goederts level.

 

The issue is if Goedert gets hurt, which he's missed games every season since entering the league.  The drop off from Goedert to Stoll is drastic.  They have potential Pro Bowler starting then a bunch of the Jaggiest JAGS ever.  

7 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

I'm not too concerned about the depth at TE. It's usually dominated by the starter, especially if they are on Goederts level.

Kansas City

Kelce- 1125 yards

Bell- 87 yards

Ravens

Andrews- 1361 yards (damn)

Oliver- 61 yards

Falcons

Pitts- 1026 yards

Hurst- 221 yards

49ers

Kittle- 910 yards

Woerner- 52 yards

Dallas

Schultz- 808 yards

Sprinkle- 31 yards

Tampa

Gronk- 802 yards

Brate- 245 yards

Howard- 135 yards

 

The depth with RB, and especially the lack of size is a valid concern. Sanders is our largest back and injury prone. Who's going to carry the load when Sanders misses his 4+ games? Is Gainwell good enough to be the main back for a short period? I wasn't too thrilled with the performance in some of the short yardage situations against the browns.

Ravens back to a great TE rotation.  They hit a homer with Likely.

That said, Goedert isn’t really replaceable from the Eagles roster but Stoll will increase his,production this year.  He wasn’t awful at Nebraska but his route running needed work. His catch in the first preseason game was a good route.  Calcaterra is a really good prospect. The concussion retirement dropped him.  If he had come out before "retiring” when he was at Oklahoma, he would have been a day 2, early day three selection.  (And I still like Jackson’s potential).  

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You can say the same about most TE1.  TE2 is just not the focus that some Eagle fans think it is because we had Ertz and Godert for a while.  

Doesn't that make a case for my argument?  There was no worry because the Eagles had two really good tight ends.  

You know damn well if Stoll is in the game that the Eagles are running the ball.  Same with when they would trot out JJAW last year.

When you had Ertz and Goedert, both were threats in the passing game and while Ertz wasn't great, both would block too.  Having Goedert in the game didn't telegraph the play.  

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

The issue is if Goedert gets hurt, which he's missed games every season since entering the league.  The drop off from Goedert to Stoll is drastic.  They have potential Pro Bowler starting then a bunch of the Jaggiest JAGS ever.  

But it isn’t a drop to Stoll, most likely.  It’s an incorporation of Calcaterra and Pascal with Stoll playing the blocking role.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

But it isn’t a drop to Stoll, most likely.  It’s an incorporation of Calcaterra and Pascal with Stoll playing the blocking role.

So it's not a big deal but if we lose Goedert, the Eagles have to change the offense and replace him with 3 guys?

I liked Calcaterra at OU.  If he can be THAT guy, I'm not as worried.  So far he's been on the shelf.  We'll see if he can stay healthy.