I feel like any time someone gets noticeably "popped," it draws a reactionary flag more often than not.

It's more because so many players have bad fundamentals, they lead with their helmet, which is a guaranteed penalty these days, or hit high which leads to a helmet hit, another guaranteed penalty. A good form tackle through the body is not going to be penalized, but so many players go for the kill shot without regard to form or the rule book.

You see the same thing in the NHL, players jumping into checks, smashing a guy against the boards, throwing an elbow, where you can still deliver slobber knocker hits and not get penalized if you are disciplined and wait for your opportunity to make a clean hit.

I actually enjoy the blog's erratic, unpredictable, and seamless transitions between insightful, friendly discussion and unrestricted bitter warfare.  If the blog looked better in a bikini, I'd confuse it with my wife.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I actually enjoy the blog's erratic, unpredictable, and seamless transitions between insightful, friendly discussion and unrestricted bitter warfare.  If the blog looked better in a bikini, I'd confuse it with my wife.

Brilliant!

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

Brilliant!

Now that's something I bet you never expected to say when quoting me 😅

Honestly, F Netflix.  What a joke this Te'o show was. 

52 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Bunch of old farts around here.  Did the aid help all of you link up the iPads your grandkids bought you to the wifi?

 

This idea that somehow older people are computer or device illiterate is a tired trope.  

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

This idea that somehow older people are computer or device illiterate is a tired trope.  

Say the old people…

these perceptions are based in macro realities. Of course there are some that are not, but tbey are the vast minority

8 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

This idea that somehow older people are computer or device illiterate is a tired trope.  

I said that as a joke and did not intend to offend anyone.  If I did offend anyone, see above discussion on manners.

With that said, it may be a tired trope, but it's not wrong.  There are consistent, massive differences in technological literacy between generations.    

27 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

If that's a paddlin then this deserves the death penalty

Ugh now I'm annoyed we don't have and Safeties on this team

Actually, the way Gannon plays his Ss to keep everything in from of them is reminiscent of JJ’s bend don’t break defenses.  A lot of variations of Cover 2.  Some invert, some robber, some variations of Cover 4, Cover 6 etc.   What I expect to see is some inverts for blitzes this season.  Already in the preseason we have seen Sweat dropping in coverage in what I suspect was a Cover 4 invert.  Just a guess because no film and the Beats don’t talk about coverages in detail.  Surprisingly, it’s Roob that comes the closest.   Honest NFL has been doing some interesting coverage sheets the last week or so.  Some good stuff there for those that follow that site on Twitter.  

I hated Gannon’s Quarters last year.  He had Harris so high that the zone was so spread that completions were almost guaranteed.  Has only seen Quarters a couple of times in the preseason games (that I can identify from TV camera work), which gives me hope.

Dawk was a generational S when we probably had four playing in the NFL overlapping.  

 Now it makes more sense why Gruden got kicked out of the league. 

43 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

I'm not saying we need to talk about football...but attacking people is getting old and killing the spirit of what this place used to be.  I swear this place has become a cess pool since the move.  

I blame it on the "Blog" nature of this thread and the boards.  When topics are put into their own thread, such as "Training Camp - Day 4 practice" and "Eagles trade for Gardner Minshew", it tends to concentrate the conversation around events that are actually occurring.  When everything gets thrown into a single "Blog" post that lasts for weeks or months, conversations on tired topics, and prior perceived slights, tend to carry over and dominate.

16 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Say the old people…

these perceptions are based in macro realities. Of course there are some that are not, but tbey are the vast minority

That's a bit out of date. Now if you're talking people in their 60s and 70s who never went to college, but by the 1980s, computers were ubiquitous on college campuses, and everyone had a PC by the 1990s (and then laptops). And if you worked in any sort of business service industry from the 1990s forward, you'd better have mastered a PC, Word, Excel, Powerpoint (though I did have to literally "cut and paste" in my first real job in 1980).

Heck, my 95 year old Mom has an I-pad, laptop, and smart phone.

Now there is willful ignorance, I don't know or care how Instagram or TikTok works, I prefer E-mail to messenger b/c I hate typing on phones (since I can touch type, I prefer real keyboards).

I'll pick up on Twitter and get back on Facebook when it's time to promote my blog.

But I don't feel the need to know everything five minutes ago, 99% of events are of trivial importance and aren't worth interrupting whatever I'm doing.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

YI facilitated the conversation between. Dave Spadaro and @VaBeach_Eagle which almost acquired the database to move the shut down board into this board so we lost nothing.

I'd still like to get the database, if it even still exists somewhere (which I doubt). But at this point, we're doing fine without it. I do have some archived stuff that I want to do something with, mostly the Super Bowl Gameday thread and maybe the Super Bowl run up thread. But that's a little down the road, if at all. 

20 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I said that as a joke and did not intend to offend anyone.  If I did offend anyone, see above discussion on manners.

With that said, it may be a tired trope, but it's not wrong.  There are consistent, massive differences in technological literacy between generations.    

I figured as much.  I know some brilliant programmers, engineers and architects of all generations and their opposites from all generations.  But so many users nowadays have never designed a system, haven’t coded at all, never wrote a program etc., but are brilliant on some platforms.  But being able to operate an IPhone isn’t my definition of technical literacy. 

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

My issue with your gang, any time someone posts a conflicting viewpoint backed up by data, you either ignore or use the I don’t engage gotcha posters routine.

That is why you guys catch so much flack from so many in here.  Any time we have tried to discuss with you, you act like we are beneath you.

It is pretty irritating.

I do know, see my response above.

mike, help me along.  I have observed most of the posts in here for quite a while.  Give me an example of a conflicting viewpoint backed up by data that you feel that justrelax has ignored. 

There has been no shortage of conflicting viewpoints over the past 12 months.  That part of your statement I can agree with 100%.  The part I am at sea with is the "backed up by data" part.  So, please help me along.

3 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Its tough because many people cant handle the costs and deal with the side effects for treatment that likely only buys them weeks. Thats where the "quality” comes in.

It's definitely not cheap. Fortunately, she had great insurance and it's fully covered... and 3 years in, we're talking somewhere in the millions (literally), if there was no insurance. 

As for the side effects, chemo #1 (in mid 2019) was extremely horrible for her. But even then, she never got so sick that she vomited (never has). But she did think that it was literally going to kill her. They cut the strength after that, and the effects were far less. Not pleasant, but not horrible either. The hardest part is the lack of appetite and weight loss. 

5 minutes ago, mattwill said:

mike, help me along.  I have observed most of the posts in here for quite a while.  Give me an example of a conflicting viewpoint backed up by data that you feel that justrelax has ignored. 

There has been no shortage of conflicting viewpoints over the past 12 months.  That part of your statement I can agree with 100%.  The part I am at sea with is the "backed up by data" part.  So, please help me along.

Matt....we're supposed to ignore him....he is beneath us.  

4 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

It's definitely not cheap. Fortunately, she had great insurance and it's fully covered... and 3 years in, we're talking somewhere in the millions (literally), if there was no insurance. 

As for the side effects, chemo #1 (in mid 2019) was extremely horrible for her. But even then, she never got so sick that she vomited (never has). But she did think that it was literally going to kill her. They cut the strength after that, and the effects were far less. Not pleasant, but not horrible either. The hardest part is the lack of appetite and weight loss. 

I hear they have made great inroads on the appetite and nausea with medical cannabis.  My mother died from COPD. She lost tremendous weight and ate so little.  She wouldn’t talk about it but we always suspected that it was hard to breathe when eating and that had an impact. 

What round pick would you give up for Jeff Okudah? He is under contract for next year as well and a change of scenery with some vets around you could jumpstart his career. Looks like he is fighting for a starting role. 

 

Okudah and Will Harris will both see playing time for the Detroit Lions defense this fall, but Lions defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn said he wants to enter the season with a defined starter at the No. 2 cornerback spot. 

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2022/08/23/jeff-okudah-will-harris-detroit-lions-starting-cb-job/7878889001/

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Bunch of old farts around here.  Did the aid help all of you link up the iPads your grandkids bought you to the wifi?

 

How old are we talking here?

Since we are on a messageboard for a football team I would have to guess the average age is 45.

Barely anybody under 40 uses or let alone knows what a message board is.

7 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I hear they have made great inroads on the appetite and nausea with medical cannabis.  My mother died from COPD. She lost tremendous weight and ate so little.  She wouldn’t talk about it but we always suspected that it was hard to breathe when eating and that had an impact. 

Yeah, she's tried some gummies a year or so ago and they do help. But they also made her very dizzy, and after her strokes, balance is already a big issue. But I'm going to be looking into getting her authorized for it, now that she's back on chemo. It's already fully legal in Virginia (to possess), but you just can't legally buy anything without the medical card. 

9 hours ago, Godfather said:

PS material

Agreed

8 hours ago, justrelax said:

Watched the first half again, just to concentrate on the OL (of course) in the run game.

Mostly we ran inside zone. There were a few pin-and-pull runs - where Jurgens really shone; we ran a couple of powers - that's where the center blocks down and a guard pulls around him and leads the back into the A gap and we ran a trap in which Dillard pulled and blocked the DT on the far side of the center. Amazing what Stoutland can do with linemen who can run. More cool stuff: Stoutland pulled guards on pass plays and the throw came on a quick slant to the vacated side. Did it at least twice. How tough is that on an LB? He keys on the guard, follows him, and the ball goes through the area he just vacated. Nightmare for the LB and the DC.

 

8 hours ago, downundermike said:

Can you please translate into a language that non pillars can understand.

Mostly we ran inside zone. -- Inside zone is designed to hit inside the tackles and to create movement on the first level of the defense. To do that, offenses use double teams. The primary goal of inside zone is to create first level movement while getting in position to take on second level defenders. During their double teams, offensive linemen must always have eyes on the second level. Zone blocking schemes create flexibility against different fronts. The offense can use the alignment and leverage of a defender against them. If they are aligned on the inside shoulder, the offense will move them further inside and it’s up to the running back to be able to read and run off of that movement. Before getting onto the second level blocks, linemen must have a reason to come off. If a double team block stays attached too long, the linebacker can fill untouched. If offensive linemen don’t coordinate who comes off, that can leave the first level defender to make the play.

There were a few pin-and-pull runs -- Pin and pull concepts have become increasingly popular in the last 5 years. Similar to how zone, gap, and power schemes work, the pin & pull scheme has rules that allow lineman to communicate with each other to execute the best possible blocking scenario. The base rules for the pin & pull system are as such:

• If uncovered, pull play-side
• Down blocks fill for the pulling lineman, typically in the back-side gap (which tend to be an easier leverage block)
• Running backs follow the pulling lineman for added downfield blocking support

The pin and pull system looks similar to the outside zone play, as it still has some of the same characteristics, such as arc releasing and reach blocking.

where Jurgens really shone -- self explanatory

we ran a couple of powers - that's where the center blocks down and a guard pulls around him and leads the back into the A gap - the non-pillar explanation was provided in what justrelax wrote

we ran a trap in which Dillard pulled and blocked the DT on the far side of the center. -- Again justrelax provided the non-pillar explanation in what he wrote

Amazing what Stoutland can do with linemen who can run. -- like the earlier Jurgens comment this comment is self explanatory

More cool stuff: -- no explanation necessary

Stoutland pulled guards on pass plays and the throw came on a quick slant to the vacated side. Did it at least twice. How tough is that on an LB? He keys on the guard, follows him, and the ball goes through the area he just vacated. Nightmare for the LB and the DC. -- Again justrelax provided the non-pillar explanation in what he wrote

 

 

One of the things that surprises me each year is the Eagles signing OL with bad workout numbers (slow 40, bad VT/LJ) who lack movement skills.

Now a guy like Opeta I understand, he has good speed, great leg explosion, he lacks lateral agility, but there's something to work with and maybe you can improve his footwork.

But when I see a guy with 1.80+ ten yard split and a 26" VT at 305 lbs, I know he's going to get cut in camp.

Because Stoutland needs OL who can run in a short area (pulls, traps), and ideally can hit targets on the second level.