4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

What would/should we give up to try and get Brian Burns?   What is the limit?  

Given how much they're (reportedly) asking for CMC I doubt Burns is going anywhere.  Unless that's all BS.

But assuming we have the space to extend him by the end of the year, I would be OK with trading our first (not the Saints).  Maybe + a mid rounder too.  

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

Given how much they're (reportedly) asking for CMC I doubt Burns is going anywhere.  Unless that's all BS.

But assuming we have the space to extend him by the end of the year, I would be OK with trading our first (not the Saints).  Maybe + a mid rounder too.  

How much do they want for CMC?

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Thats the problem Mike, they want to come at me, have at it. You all can. I enjoy it, or rather get a kick out of it.

You bring up a 7 year old... over and over again, espicially when im not talking to you, or my son has nothing to do with the conversation is where I draw the line. It's creepy and some pedophile crap. 

Calm down there. I was on your defense if you haven't noticed...

23 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Boss

 

 

It's such a shame how these great NFL Films style stuff has been almost completely abandoned by the NFL and are now only available via Inside the NFL. 

 

 

I loved when back around 2004 they had Game of the Week where there would be a hour long recap of a game rvrry week entirely through NFL films footage and audio. 

 

NFL Network bring that back and cut back on all the other junk you put out. 

Calcaterra is not playing because he doesn't block as well as Stoll for 2 TE sets, and you would never pick him to play over Pascall or Quez. So Grant is 13 personnel or bust. Calcaterra needs another 10 pounds of muscle, and work on the blocking sled, to be TE #2 next year.

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

How much do they want for CMC?

I find it VERY hard to believe it but this is the report I'm alluding to.  

15 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

What would/should we give up to try and get Brian Burns?   What is the limit?  

Id give them the AJ Brown deal and throw in a 4th for next year.

Lets dig into why Hurts is not blitzed constantly.

First is QB talent. You can't just go nuts blitzing a running QB. When you miss they can run for 60 on you. This means you have to consider contain and spy as possible countermeasures. The easy way to understand contain is to think about how many times unathletic QBs like Cooper Rush can roll out or run for 8 yards on the Eagles pass rush when they get pressure but don't contain on the edges. A perfect example of contain was the 2004 NFCCG where the Eagles edge rushers destroyed Vick by keeping contain on him all day. He had few chances to escape outside and do damage.

Another is scheme. If you look at that incredible freeze Micah Parsons TD he was most likely supposed to be the 5th rusher on a blitz play. Motioning AJ Brown at him neutralized his ability to rush Hurts. In lots of RPO situations a possible blitzer is also responsible for a run gap.

Another thing to consider is circumstance (down, distance, score) When the Eagles pass on running downs, its hard for the other team to blitz. When they Eagles are in 3rd and 1 its hard for the other team to blitz on the edges. When the Eagles are up by 17+ its hard for the other team to go blitz happy when they are expecting lots of runs or RPOs.

Then you have the blitz plays themselves. You remember the blitzes that get to Hurts. Do you remember the ones that get picked up and turn into big plays for the offense? Like any play call what the other team does is based on them thinking that call will be successful. If a blitz looks bad when it works but it fails 5 times out of 6, how often will you blitz?

Hurts has been blitzed 64 times this year (or 10.7 times per game)  Feel free to show us the 64 bad results. How about 32?  Maybe 16? 

Most 2022 QBs fall in the range of 40-77 blitzes over 6 games so 64 is on the higher edge.

FYI, this is where I got that 64 blitzes number:  https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

17 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

What would/should we give up to try and get Brian Burns?   What is the limit?  

I’d offer a 2 and 4, and go from there. Most I’d give up would be a late 1.

PS. I wouldn’t be surprised if it actually happens, for something like a 1 and future 3. From a team need perspective, acquiring him does make a lot of sense. 

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

Calcaterra is not playing because he doesn't block as well as Stoll for 2 TE sets, and you would never pick him to play over Pascall or Quez. So Grant is 13 personnel or bust. Calcaterra needs another 10 pounds of muscle, and work on the blocking sled, to be TE #2 next year.

If Goedert gets banged up, many of those primary TE snaps would go to Calcaterra instead of Stoll, so there’s value in that insurance as well.

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I'm sure thats what there asking now,  about 2 weeks out. But it'll get less and less when they realize no one wants a RB for that much.

My guess. Cmacc is gone for a 1st and 5th? 1st and 3rd if theres a bidding war

McCaffery has been an amazing talent, but a team would be really dumb to offer even that for an injury riddled RB in a year with a strong upcoming FA and draft class for RBs.  But dumber things have happened I guess.

Multiple firsts would be a Bill O'Brien-level F up.

6 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I find it VERY hard to believe it but this is the report I'm alluding to.  

That's insane given his injury history. Panthers have been running him into the ground

Mcaffrey has been removed from all of panthers media. He will be moving on to somebody. Source know the social media person for panthers he’s been instructed to take down. 

2 minutes ago, myerstheman said:

Mcaffrey has been removed from all of panthers media. He will be moving on to somebody. Source know the social media person for panthers he’s been instructed to take down. 

Take yer bets. 

I'm guessing Bills or 49ers. 

Just now, myerstheman said:

Mcaffrey has been removed from all of panthers media. He will be moving on to somebody. Source know the social media person for panthers he’s been instructed to take down. 

It makes too much sense. They are terrible now and they won't be good next year. Who knows what he will be in 2 years. Get the picks.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You used the F word yesterday while name calling.  How is that ok?  
 

You unblocked me so you can report me….again. 

You’ve done that.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

That's insane given his injury history. Panthers have been running him into the ground

McCaffrey's workload concern even goes back to college at Stanford. He was a workhorse there as well with 672 touches in his sophomore and junior year combined (not including special teams returns). He's not big enough physically to handle that type of workload and I don't know who would be. Longevity wise, he'd be best paired up with another back to split the load, but you're not giving up that type of compensation for that. 

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Take yer bets. 

I'm guessing Bills or 49ers. 

Is Bills run game that bad that they'd need to overpay for a RB? 

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Take her bets. 

I'm guessing Bills or 49ers. 

Your choices are solid and probably the top 2

I think Denver and the Rams could really use him but not sure he'd want to go to either spot.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 Yep.  No chance he yields that much. Maybe a high 2nd.  

Huh?  When have I called someone that.  Or reported someone after I blocked them?  Please, I’d love to know.  

Didn’t mean to include the blocking but I’ll be happy to quote you.

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Is Bills run game that bad that they'd need to overpay for a RB? 

They’ve really wanted a passing down weapon at RB. They struck out on McKissic and drafted Cook in round 2. He’d give them the ability to not need a committee. 

13 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I’d offer a 2 and 4, and go from there. Most I’d give up would be a late 1.

PS. I wouldn’t be surprised if it actually happens, for something like a 1 and future 3. From a team need perspective, acquiring him does make a lot of sense. 

I'm looking at this from a different perspective.  Does getting Burns for the marginal improvement for an already top-5 defense offset what his contract would prevent you from being able to do down the road.

I would argue that our defense works well because of Slay AND Bradberry.  So, in my mind, keeping Bradberry long-term (and avoiding the alternative) is more important than adding another DE to an already effective, albeit not consistently dominant, group.

CMC would be an upgrade for the Bills but their current RBs are fine  (about 4.7 per carry between the 3) and Allen runs almost as much as they do.

It might makes sense as an all-in move this year but the money makes no sense going forward for that team.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

By calling you or someone else a F?  Or using the word "ghey”?  

Using the Gaelic spelling, I see.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

They’ve really wanted a passing down weapon at RB. They struck out on McKissic and stated Cook in round 2. He’d give them the ability to not need a committee. 

Big gamble on how long he'd stay healthy

1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

Lets dig into why Hurts is not blitzed constantly.

First is QB talent. You can't just go nuts blitzing a running QB. When you miss they can run for 60 on you. This means you have to consider contain and spy as possible countermeasures. The easy way to understand contain is to think about how many times unathletic QBs like Cooper Rush can roll out or run for 8 yards on the Eagles pass rush when they get pressure but don't contain on the edges. A perfect example of contain was the 2004 NFCCG where the Eagles edge rushers destroyed Vick by keeping contain on him all day. He had few chances to escape outside and do damage.

Another is scheme. If you look at that incredible freeze Micah Parsons TD he was most likely supposed to be the 5th rusher on a blitz play. Motioning AJ Brown at him neutralized his ability to rush Hurts. In lots of RPO situations a possible blitzer is also responsible for a run gap.

Another thing to consider is circumstance (down, distance, score) When the Eagles pass on running downs, its hard for the other team to blitz. When they Eagles are in 3rd and 1 its hard for the other team to blitz on the edges. When the Eagles are up by 17+ its hard for the other team to go blitz happy when they are expecting lots of runs or RPOs.

Then you have the blitz plays themselves. You remember the blitzes that get to Hurts. Do you remember the ones that get picked up and turn into big plays for the offense? Like any play call what the other team does is based on them thinking that call will be successful. If a blitz looks bad when it works but it fails 5 times out of 6, how often will you blitz?

Hurts has been blitzed 64 times this year (or 10.7 times per game)  Feel free to show us the 64 bad results. How about 32?  Maybe 16? 

Most 2022 QBs fall in the range of 40-77 blitzes over 6 games so 64 is on the higher edge.

FYI, this is where I got that 64 blitzes number:  https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

He definitely did not take advantage of any of the blitzes in the cardinals game, what was the biggest play? 20 yards? I think on one of the 3000 tight end screens.

Success depends on situation, impossible to know without going through every single game and counting all those pressures. A bad result doesn't have to be a sack. It can be a rushed pass on 3rd and 8 that gets 3, a throwaway, bailing the pocket. Someone out there may have these numbers but on recency bias the cardinals game had more than a few bad results. If I remember right the lions blitzed a decent amount as well, and hurts looked bad in that game also. 

We don't get the huge chunk plays as often as we should with how much he is blitzed. We are able to get them normally which is great, but they need to start doing it against the blitz or eventually there's gonna be a game where we don't get the luxury of being of 17+ points early and some team is gonna jump all over us.