11 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Would you have given that up for Chubb if you were Howie?

Not the Saints pick, the Eagles own pick.

Very possible... I'd definitely do it for Derrick Brown right now. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I don't think he's going anywhere 

The key to the Quinn trade is he’s a rental.

the key to the Chubb trade is he will get a 100m$ contract from the dolphins shortly, which we could have never afforded with all the stuff we have going on next offseason

this is some good acting, better than blocking the guy.

 

 

I really like Chubb and wanted him as a free agent target, but also he has an injury history and you'd have to pay him a ton in addition to the pick. So I'm torn on if I'd have done that.

33 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Both have some work to do to catch up to the Raiders

....and Houston...

1 minute ago, Doc S. said:

....and Houston...

Um....................

36 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Bears and Texans are in a real battle of wits on who’s a worse organization. 

 

Bradley Chubb is a UFA. We already have a ton of free agents to sign and little cap space. Trading a 1 for him is irresponsible. Better off giving 2 1st for Burns.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

The prime time to move him would've been before/during the draft. I doubt he's going anywhere now.

7 minutes ago, Doc S. said:

Yup. Blocked perfectly, cut inside and see ya...

This is the play I mentioned yesterday in that miles Sanders leaves so much meat on the bone way too often for me.

Sanders gets the 1st down but he cuts in on that and it's a big gainer, he's got a truck sized lane to run through and instead cuts out right into the back of his blocker and out of bounds...😒

54 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I remember we covered this on Friday.  You were comparing the impact of his contract to the Bears with the impact to the Eagles.

The bonus prorations weren't relevant.  They dropped his salary to the vet minimum $1.2M.  They removed '23 and '24.

Pretty straight forward.

 

 

My apologies, I probably could have been more clear.  I was countering the notion there was no restructure of his contract.  There was.  The base salary and work out bonuses in his contract were turned into a prorated bonus.  THEN they rolled up when they traded him.  Looking at the prorated totals to determine if and when a restructured occurred is relevant in this case, since it points to the bears doing a pre-trade restructure.  

 

I did an ugly breakdown while on a call with some partners, so its not nicely structured.  But to keep you from jumping from thread to thread, I'll put it in spoilers in case you choose to read it.

Spoiler

 

On 10/26/2022 at 4:29 PM, paco said:

Since I'm autistic about this stuff

Year	Age	Base Salary	Prorated Bonus	Roster Bonus	Workout Bonus		Guaranteed Salary		Cap Number	Cap %		Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension
Total		$49,550,000	$20,050,000	$12,500,000	$400,000		$22,450,000		$70,000,000
2020 📝	30	$3,000,000	$3,100,000	$12,500,000	$0		$15,500,000		$6,100,000	2.9%
2021	31	$6,950,000	$4,237,500	$0	$100,000		$6,950,000		$11,287,500	6.0%
2022	32	$12,800,000	$4,237,500	$0	$100,000		$0		$17,137,500	8.2%		$12,712,500	$4,425,000
2023	33	$13,900,000	$4,237,500	$0	$100,000		$0		$18,237,500	7.9%		$8,475,000	$9,762,500
2024	34	$12,900,000	$4,237,500	$0	$100,000		$0		$17,237,500	6.7%		$4,237,500	$13,000,000

 

The prorated bonus should go to the bears, so they eat 20 million.  And they did that for a 4th rounder?

Now here is what it looked like shortly after the trade:

Year	Age	Base Salary	Workout Bonus		Cap Number	Cap %		Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension
Total		$27,920,000	$200,000		$27,684,444
2022	32	$1,120,000	$0		$684,444	0.3%		$0	$684,444
2023	33	$13,900,000	$100,000		$14,000,000	5.9%		$0	$14,000,000
2024	34	$12,900,000	$100,000		$13,000,000	5.1%		$0	$13,000,000

 

And here is what it looks like now:

Year	Age	Base Salary		Cap Number	Cap %		Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension
Total		$1,120,000		$684,444
2022	32	$1,120,000		$684,444	0.3%		$0	$684,444

 

And the dead hit for the bears:

2022

Robert Quinn

$11,694,537

2023

Robert Quinn

$13,233,520

Total: 24,928,057

 

So first thing is first, its obvious SOMETHING happened to the contract to void the last two years.  Did the Bears do it (I believe they did) or the Eagles (possibly), but I don't know.

 

Now the dead cap hit. His prorated bonus for the next 3 years is $12,712,500 on the original contract.  That's $12,215,557 less than the bears dead cap hit.  So that screams to me that the base salary was converted to a bonus and then the trade was made.  Base salary dropped from $12,800,000 (them) to $1,120,000 (us).  That is a difference of $11,680,000.  Plus we have to add in salary paid, which I *think* was $395,294, which gets us to $12,075,294.  Then add in the 3 work out bonuses gets us to $12,375,294 

 

$12,375,294 vs the $12,215,557 gap in the dead cap hit is pretty close without being in the room or seeing more details.  But either way, this is how we know the Bears did do a restructure.

 

Just now, downundermike said:

Um....................

 

Thanks, my bad, read too fast...

Loss Leaders??? They both suck...

Just now, bitbased said:

The prime time to move him would've been before/during the draft. I doubt he's going anywhere now.

I dunno, there have been a lot of O-line injuries and more teams that could use him now than back then. I just think Howie is holding out for a premium price that might be overshooting where the rest of the league views him. But this approach makes sense since we can just use him for depth if that offer doesn't come along. 

Rumors swirling on Eagles YouTubers pages about Eagles in "serious” talks with Detroit for Jamaal Williams. These dudes bite and run with anything though.

This speaks well of the maturity of a marquee player

https://www.yahoo.com/video/eagles-quarterback-jalen-hurts-breaks-163941386.html

Just now, Texas Eagle said:

Rumors swirling on Eagles YouTubers pages about Eagles in "serious” talks with Detroit for Jamaal Williams. These dudes bite and run with anything though.

Take this with a grain of salt, but I know a guy who works for the Lions for who said the Eagles called about Williams. How serious it is, I have no idea.

1 minute ago, bitbased said:

The prime time to move him would've been before/during the draft. I doubt he's going anywhere now.

If i were the rams I’d consider doing a deal. rams oline blows and they really don’t have a great option long term at LT. Noteboom before he got hurt wasn’t very good. But yeah i think the time to do it was months ago not now 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

This is the play I mentioned yesterday in that miles Sanders leaves so much meat on the bone way too often for me.

Sanders gets the 1st down but he cuts in on that and it's a big gainer, he's got a truck sized lane to run through and instead cuts out right into the back of his blocker and out of bounds...😒

That's a Vision/Anticipation issue that has followed him seemingly forever. Misses the hole or takes the wrong cut, but then he explodes and all is forgiven...except we remember, Meat on Bone...

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Take this with a grain of salt, but I know a guy who works for the Lions for who said the Eagles called about Williams. How serious it is, I have no idea.

Not sure why the lions make that move with swift being injury prone and Campbell saying he’s not 100% and they are limiting his snaps. I can’t imagine the compensation is all that great to make that move. 

9 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

this is some good acting, better than blocking the guy.

 

 

Vet move...He's savvy...

No Idea if this guy is legit or not. His twitter seems valid though.

7 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Rumors swirling on Eagles YouTubers pages about Eagles in "serious” talks with Detroit for Jamaal Williams. These dudes bite and run with anything though.

We live in a world of content creation for the moneys. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

RIP Claypools career.

EDIT:

  

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

RIP chase claypool’s career. From one bad passing offense to another. 

Damnit  

 

How do you people keep up in this thread?

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I dunno, there have been a lot of O-line injuries and more teams that could use him now than back then. I just think Howie is holding out for a premium price that might be overshooting where the rest of the league views him. But this approach makes sense since we can just use him for depth if that offer doesn't come along. 

Dillard is a Chip Howie's keeping in his pocket.

He will maximize value when the desperate Team calls...or sit on him for depth. No hurry.

1 minute ago, MillerTime said:

 

Eric Kaplan changed his name to Eric Schefter so people take his gossip as real news?