4 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I think most recognized that as an endearing "F me? F you too!”

This ain’t Pleasantville, that’s the Philadelphian Thanksgiving message

ok but the NFL doesnt care. It doesnt hold people in philly to a lower standard just because they think its endearing to be rude.

 

"I'm f*****g forgiven for your first f*****g Super Bowl, f*** you.

15 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I sent an Eagles front office contact of mine an e-mail early in the week asking about Elliss' status and I have not gotten a response as yet.

Probably aren't going to get one. It's a non football injury so probably falls under HIPAA.

29 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t want to turn this into "I hate Devonta,” but I don’t think he’s an elite route runner at this point. I think Brown’s a top-10 NFL receiver and Goedert is a top 3/4 TE who is among the most efficient pass catchers in the league. 

Tell me you've never watched him from the upper sections of the Linc without telling me you've never watched him from the upper sections of the Linc.

Dude is open on every single non-screen play.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

I posted the stat last night.  Smith had 169 yards against Washington.  He's had 172 in the 5 games since, 35 yards per game.  I get that one of their guys is going to have the majority of the targets and yards every game, but Smith is being used like he's Greg Ward.  He's a top 10 pick they traded up for with a division rival (giving them Michael Parsons) and he's being thrown the ball behind the line of scrimmage nearly every play.  Sorry, 35 yards per game for him is NOT good nor is it a good use of resources.  Again, might as well be Greg Ward out there the way they are using him.

Since his huge Washington game, Smith has averaged 5.7, 8.7, 8.8, 4.6 and 11 YPC.  This isn't about targets because clearly the ball is being spread between the top 3 targets but it's about how he's being used.  That was the only game they threw him the ball down field. Take out the Washington game and Smith has 32 catches for 275 yards for 8.5 YPC.  Again, that's Greg Ward territory and people wanted to run him out of town, rightly so.

AJ Brown- 43 catches 718 yards 16.7 YPC

Dallas Goedert- 40 catches 521 yards 13YPC

DeVonta Smith- 40 cathes 442 yards 11.1 YPC

Both Brown and Goedert are being fed the ball steadily.  They are clearly drawing up plays to take advantage of what both of those guys do best.  I'm just extremely confused with how they are using Smith.  Again, it's not a targets thing, it's a plan on how to use him thing. 

When I read your comment and the one before it, my first thought was that you probably play Fantasy Football each week.  The reason I say that is that Fantasy makes its participants look at players as individuals rather than as a unit.  I do agree with you (and eagle45) that Smith is being underutilized (Watkins too) at an individual level, but the unit is performing admirably, so I'm less concerned with the individual Smith and Watkins stats. 

BTW, what did you think about Stoll's reception?

1 hour ago, Eagle1ne said:

I don't think he pulled him, he did hold his head up while moving backwards though. Regardless, the refs yesterday were not good. I saw at least two uncalled holds on whomever was blocking Graham. 

The roughing the passer penalty on Hargrave was a missed call as well.  The TV analysts explained why that was the case.

9 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

8-0

Top five in points and yards on offense.

Top five in points and yards on defense.

Yeah, but they've played a weak schedule so they're obviously one of the worst teams in the league.

Just now, mattwill said:

The roughing the passer penalty on Hargrave was a missed call as well.  The TV analysts explained why that was the case.

Completely forgot about that one. The refs are in a ishy position regarding those types of calls because of the Tua backlash. Regardless, was a bang bang play that shouldn't have been a penalty. 

Our top two WRs two years ago...

Full season stats.  Ward (53/419), Fulgham (38/539)  

Now, after 8 games, Brown(53/718), Smith (40/442)

 

And for those that want to introduce the TE variable.  2022 Goedert (40/521) vs 2020 (full season) Ertz/Goedert (82/859).

 

11 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

8-0

Top five in points and yards on offense.

Top five in points and yards on defense.

 

Yes, those numbers are correct, should we now analyze the records of the teams, and the ranks of the offenses and defenses we are doing that against. ??

For example, we have scored 30 points twice.  Against the 32nd ranked in points allowed Lions, and the 24th ranked in points allowed Steelers.

 

 

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

When I read your comment and the one before it, my first thought was that you probably play Fantasy Football each week.  The reason I say that is that Fantasy makes its participants look at players as individuals rather than as a unit.  I do agree with you (and eagle45) that Smith is being underutilized (Watkins too) at an individual level, but the unit is performing admirably, so I'm less concerned with the individual Smith and Watkins stats. 

BTW, what did you think about Stoll's reception?

his point is not only relevant in a fantasy football perspective. Its the human perspective of keeping an employee happy at work. If employees feel underappreciated, and/or underutilized they can become unhappy. This career is also one that is very legacy driven for many players in that they have goals of making pro bowls, all-pros teams, potentially hall of fame. If Smith is not in position to pile up accolades he may feel unfulfilled in his career accomplishments. Of course team comes first, but its also human to want some of those other things. These players are often driven by being the best, and Smith isnt getting a chance to prove it, or strive for any of the other individual accolades that can provide a fulfilling career even in the absence of any super bowls. 

13 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

8-0

Top five in points and yards on offense.

Top five in points and yards on defense.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

his point is not only relevant in a fantasy football perspective. Its the human perspective of keeping an employee happy at work. If employees feel underappreciated, and/or underutilized they can become unhappy. This career is also one that is very legacy driven for many players in that they have goals of making pro bowls, all-pros teams, potentially hall of fame. If Smith is not in position to pile up accolades he may feel unfulfilled in his career accomplishments. Of course team comes first, but its also human to want some of those other things. These players are often driven by being the best, and Smith isnt getting a chance to prove it, or strive for any of the other individual accolades that can provide a fulfilling career even in the absence of any super bowls. 

And on top of this, he has an agent that is in his ear about what he needs to maximize his 1st free agent contract.

Maybe Lurie should call Roger and ask if we can just play the Chiefs or Bills every week.

13 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Yes, those numbers are correct, should we now analyze the records of the teams, and the ranks of the offenses and defenses we are doing that against. ??

For example, we have scored 30 points twice.  Against the 32nd ranked in points allowed Lions, and the 24th ranked in points allowed Steelers.

Love to...

First, as an amuse-bouche, we are the only team to score 20 points in all their games this season.

Now lets go over to Football Outsiders, that account for, among other things, the quality of the opponent.  These are through week 8.  We are ranked third overall.  Yes our schedule strength is ranked 27th, but that is part of the weighting.  You can see that our DVOA is 4% lower than the raw, unadjusted VOA as result of the opponent weighting.

 

Further, we put up 26 on Dallas, who is averaging 15 points against their other 7 opponents.  29 on the Jags, who have given up 18 per game against their other 7 opponents.

 

17 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Our top two WRs two years ago...

Full season stats.  Ward (53/419), Fulgham (38/539)  

Now, after 8 games, Brown(53/718), Smith (40/442)

 

And for those that want to introduce the TE variable.  2022 Goedert (40/521) vs 2020 (full season) Ertz/Goedert (82/859).

What is most noticeable in those stats is the yards per catch ... much higher now.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

What is most noticeable in those stats is the yards per catch ... much higher now.

Not bad for a running back, hm? 

40 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

ah-HA! There it is. Its a race thing!

Lol. I almost said Renfrow too. Dodged a bullet. 

Anyone have any concerns about last night? Only minor ones for me were defense and the way Mailata played.

I think this defense vs a good QB and offense is going to get lit up, I don't trust Gannon. But they always seem to have a knack for a clutch turnover.

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

his point is not only relevant in a fantasy football perspective. Its the human perspective of keeping an employee happy at work. If employees feel underappreciated, and/or underutilized they can become unhappy. This career is also one that is very legacy driven for many players in that they have goals of making pro bowls, all-pros teams, potentially hall of fame. If Smith is not in position to pile up accolades he may feel unfulfilled in his career accomplishments. Of course team comes first, but its also human to want some of those other things. These players are often driven by being the best, and Smith isnt getting a chance to prove it, or strive for any of the other individual accolades that can provide a fulfilling career even in the absence of any super bowls. 

While acknowledging your point as correct.  Employee satisfaction is definitely important ... very important ... I think you are overemphasizing it a bit.  The reason is that in pro football the amount paid to individual players is much more variable and much more of a factor than it is in normal (mainstream) industries.  The team rewards are more important as well.  The kind of spotlight that sports figures get when they win is largely absent in mainstream industries.

JMO
 

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Anyone have any concerns about last night? Only minor ones for me were defense and the way Mailata played.

I think this defense vs a good QB and offense is going to get lit up, I don't trust Gannon. But they always seem to have a knack for a clutch turnover.

Run defense, tackling, when Kvon Wallace is on the field, good coaches/QBs will pick on him. He can't cover/always out of position. 

Right now the Eagles are playing down to their opponents, which is natural, no teams gets up for 17 games, the mark of a good team is doing enough to win the games they should win, then raising their game against the toughest opponents.

The schedule is ideal, they get to pad their record going into the last six games, then play the toughest stretch preparing for the playoffs.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

When I read your comment and the one before it, my first thought was that you probably play Fantasy Football each week.  The reason I say that is that Fantasy makes its participants look at players as individuals rather than as a unit.  I do agree with you (and eagle45) that Smith is being underutilized (Watkins too) at an individual level, but the unit is performing admirably, so I'm less concerned with the individual Smith and Watkins stats. 

BTW, what did you think about Stoll's reception?

Nope, I've never played fantasy football.  I think I've said it multiple times over my years and the more vocal I've become on the board but I look at the investment in the player and the value and return they are getting.  That's my gripe when it comes to guys like Davion Taylor too.  You don't invest what I call a premium pick (rounds 1-3 IMO) on a player who has no idea what he's doing on the field.  

They traded a 1st and 3rd and bypassed Micah Parsons to draft Smith.  I hate hearing that the Cowboys never would have made the trade if they knew the Eagles would take Parsons but this is the NFL and if you deceive your biggest rival to get arguably the best player in the draft despite his "character issues" then so be it.  I couldn't care less if Jerry Jones gets mad at the Eagles.  We already know Howie is a weasel.  But anyway, they traded up and got Smith.  Using those resources and FINALLY hitting on a 1st round WR, I expect him and want him to be putting up numbers.  Adding AJ Brown definitely changed the dynamics of the offense and I'm sure they had no idea they had a chance at getting him when they drafted DeVonta.  

I understand that every week the Eagles are going to have a different leading receiver.  I just think it's criminal to limit last years investment to WR screens, which is probably what he does worst.  Like I said earlier, if you want a WR averaging 8 YPC, you might as well have Greg Ward out there.  

I'd argue AJ Brown is the unit right now.  Without AJ Brown, the WR haven't done much as of late, not ignoring Pascal's nice TD last week.  Hell, Quez Watkins is on pace for 17 catches this year.  Like I said, since Washington, Smith has 25 catches for 172 yards...6.8 YPC over the last 5 games.  That's not what you traded up for. You traded up for the Heisman Trophy winner who averaged 17 YPC and had 46 TD in his college career. 

Between AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, Quez Watkins, Zach Pascal, Dallas Goedert, Jack Stoll and Grant Calcaterra, who would you expect to have the lowest YPC?  Not DeVonta Smith but there he is, the lowest YPC out of the WR/TE group.

Not trying to be negative when they are 8-0 and Hurts is spreading the ball around but I just have high expectations and I want their investments to be worth it.  My biggest fear is that Howie FINALLY hits on a 1st round WR in Smith and they don't use him right and he either demands a trade or is a one contract player.  That would be yet another fail.

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Anyone have any concerns about last night? Only minor ones for me were defense and the way Mailata played.

I think this defense vs a good QB and offense is going to get lit up, I don't trust Gannon. But they always seem to have a knack for a clutch turnover.

Short weak.  Lengthy plane ride.  

Also, not really enough time for them to install adjustments for Davis' absence.  

I'd see how they look against WAS before drawing any conclusions.

52 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

8-0

Top five in points and yards on offense.

Top five in points and yards on defense.

Not good enough.  I expected them to be 9-0 by this point.