2 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

At the 8 second mark, pressure was collapsing in on Hurts and the safety did not make a commitment yet to whether covering the underneath route or not. How can he rip it down the seam at that point?

 

6 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

Because he was already beat by then. The fact that the safety didnt commit yet is the reason why Hurts should have bombed it. You dont wait for Devonta to run 5-10 yards past the Safety to throw it. When the safety is flat footed and looking at the QB by the time Devonta is essentially parallel to him...hes already f'ed. 

When the play starts Owens (the safety is at the 20 yard line.  The ball is snapped at about 5 seconds.  During the 6th second Owens gets about  a 10 yard cushion on Smith while clearly turned towards Smith and watching Hurts.  Nelson is bracketing Smith on the other side trying to take away the boundary.  He has a 5 yard cushion on Smith.    At the  beginning of the 7 second mark, Nelson has a 5 yard cushion and has outside position guarding the boundary.  The safety had dropped back and still is in position. He has about a 6 yard cushion on Smith.  Hurts could have made the throw but Owens would have been potentially able to make a play on the ball and it's not like Nelson was toast until after Hurts started to scamble away from pressure. 

 

55 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I’d imagine it’s 

1. Elliot’s tendencies with distance, moment in the game, which hash mark

2. Elements, wind, stadium, time of year

3. night game, short week, winning/tied/losing, direction of the field

 

 

Some of those analytics get absurdly indepth

I don't think Prime is going that in-depth over it. It's probably just league average or something

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Nope, I've never played fantasy football.  I think I've said it multiple times over my years and the more vocal I've become on the board but I look at the investment in the player and the value and return they are getting.  That's my gripe when it comes to guys like Davion Taylor too.  You don't invest what I call a premium pick (rounds 1-3 IMO) on a player who has no idea what he's doing on the field.  

They traded a 1st and 3rd and bypassed Micah Parsons to draft Smith.  I hate hearing that the Cowboys never would have made the trade if they knew the Eagles would take Parsons but this is the NFL and if you deceive your biggest rival to get arguably the best player in the draft despite his "character issues" then so be it.  I couldn't care less if Jerry Jones gets mad at the Eagles.  We already know Howie is a weasel.  But anyway, they traded up and got Smith.  Using those resources and FINALLY hitting on a 1st round WR, I expect him and want him to be putting up numbers.  Adding AJ Brown definitely changed the dynamics of the offense and I'm sure they had no idea they had a chance at getting him when they drafted DeVonta.  

I understand that every week the Eagles are going to have a different leading receiver.  I just think it's criminal to limit last years investment to WR screens, which is probably what he does worst.  Like I said earlier, if you want a WR averaging 8 YPC, you might as well have Greg Ward out there.  

I'd argue AJ Brown is the unit right now.  Without AJ Brown, the WR haven't done much as of late, not ignoring Pascal's nice TD last week.  Hell, Quez Watkins is on pace for 17 catches this year.  Like I said, since Washington, Smith has 25 catches for 172 yards...6.8 YPC over the last 5 games.  That's not what you traded up for. You traded up for the Heisman Trophy winner who averaged 17 YPC and had 46 TD in his college career. 

Between AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, Quez Watkins, Zach Pascal, Dallas Goedert, Jack Stoll and Grant Calcaterra, who would you expect to have the lowest YPC?  Not DeVonta Smith but there he is, the lowest YPC out of the WR/TE group.

Not trying to be negative when they are 8-0 and Hurts is spreading the ball around but I just have high expectations and I want their investments to be worth it.  My biggest fear is that Howie FINALLY hits on a 1st round WR in Smith and they don't use him right and he either demands a trade or is a one contract player.  That would be yet another fail.

Regarding your bolded words, I'm at the total opposite end of the spectrum from you.  I'm 100% a sunk costs person.  I want the coaches to maximize the collective output of the team as a whole ... with subsets of Offense and Defense and Special Teams being worthwhile to cogitate as units ... and even the O-Line and D-Line as units as well. 

Chocolate and Vanilla.

6 minutes ago, jamiller said:

Yes, but got to win that game 6 is what the Skipper is thinking, it seems.  So he goes with Wheeler and follows with his more solid playoff performer for 6.  

Tbh the bullpen without Suárez has been good. The two guys in the pen who have given up runs out of the pen have been Alvarado and dominguez which is pretty unbelievable. Add on Suárez on 3 days rest is likely giving you only an inning. With how the pen has looked i trust them to get the one inning Suárez will give you then nola starting in game 7 on 3 days rest. Rather hope we get to a 7 and get him for 3-4 innings. 

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

 

When the play starts Owens (the safety is at the 20 yard line.  The ball is snapped at about 5 seconds.  During the 6th second Owens gets about  a 10 yard cushion on Smith while clearly turned towards Smith and watching Hurts.  Nelson is bracketing Smith on the other side trying to take away the boundary.  He has a 5 yard cushion on Smith.    At the  beginning of the 7 second mark, Nelson has a 5 yard cushion and has outside position guarding the boundary.  The safety had dropped back and still is in position. He has about a 6 yard cushion on Smith.  Hurts could have made the throw but Owens would have been potentially able to make a play on the ball and it's not like Nelson was toast until after Hurts started to scamble away from pressure. 

 

Problem with going frame by frame is youre not looking at the motion of the play. You can tell right off the bat that Devonta is running by both of those players and thats the point. Hurts should have anticipated and threw deep because neither one of those players were going to catch up to Devonta if he threw a well thrown deep ball. Its as simple as that. 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

After last night, we should be significantly more upset at the defense than the offense.

I'm most upset with the officiating.  Their game was significantly worse than either the Offense or the Defense.  Sirianni needs to fix that pronto!

A lot of people won't care but some might.

I've been tracking Eagles punts since the late eighties. I measure and time every single one. It takes me about forty-five minutes a week. I've been doing it for years. I've probably done over 6,000 punts in that time. Along with this, I have a simple formula (not going to divulge it but it's rudimentary) for rating a punt. As I mentioned earlier, punters have gotten a LOT better since the late eighties. Just for ish and giggles, here is the punting rating of the Eagles punter for every year (rounded to the nearest whole number):

1988 John Teltschik (101)

1989 John Teltschik (100)

1990 Jeff Feagles (102)

1991 Jeff Feagles (101)

1992 Jeff Feagles (104)

1993 Jeff Feagles (101)

1994 Bryan Barker (100)

1995 Tom Hutton (103)

1996 Tom Hutton (103)

1997 Tom Hutton (104)

1998 Tom Hutton (101)

1999 Sean Landeta (102)

2000 Sean Landeta (102)

2001 Sean Landeta (102)

2002 Sean Landeta (104)

2003 Dirk Johnson (102)

2004 Dirk Johnson (101)

2005 Dirk Johnson (101)

2006 Dirk Johnson (104)

2007 Sav Rocca (104)

2008 Sav Rocca (105)

2009 Sav Rocca (107)

2010 Sav Rocca (111)

2011 Chas Henry (108)

2012 Mat McBriar (110)

2013 Donnie Jones (108)

2014 Donnie Jones (108)

2015 Donnie Jones (113)

2016 Donnie Jones (110)

2017 Donnie Jones (106)

2018 Cam Johnston (110)

2019 Cam Johnston (109)

2020 Cam Johnston (113)

2021 Arryn Siposs (109)

2022 Arryn Siposs (111)

Do we see what's going on here? Isn't it obvious how much better current punters are than their counterparts from a generation ago? It's why I always get a chuckle when I hear/read fans longing for Sean Landeta, as if he were somehow an Eagles legend and an obvious improvement rather than being actually worse. It feels to me like the change started right around the time of Sav Rocca. It might be the Aussie influence throughout the league that has led to consistent improvement. 

1 minute ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

A lot of people won't care but some might.

I've been tracking Eagles punts since the late eighties. I measure and time every single one. It takes me about forty-five minutes a week. I've been doing it for years. I've probably done over 6,000 punts in that time. Along with this, I have a simple formula (not going to divulge it but it's rudimentary) for rating a punt. As I mentioned earlier, punters have gotten a LOT better since the late eighties. Just for ish and giggles, here is the punting rating of the Eagles punter for every year (rounded to the nearest whole number):

1988 John Teltschik (101)

1989 John Teltschik (100)

1990 Jeff Feagles (102)

1991 Jeff Feagles (101)

1992 Jeff Feagles (104)

1993 Jeff Feagles (101)

1994 Bryan Barker (100)

1995 Tom Hutton (103)

1996 Tom Hutton (103)

1997 Tom Hutton (104)

1998 Tom Hutton (101)

1999 Sean Landeta (102)

2000 Sean Landeta (102)

2001 Sean Landeta (102)

2002 Sean Landeta (104)

2003 Dirk Johnson (102)

2004 Dirk Johnson (101)

2005 Dirk Johnson (101)

2006 Dirk Johnson (104)

2007 Sav Rocca (104)

2008 Sav Rocca (105)

2009 Sav Rocca (107)

2010 Sav Rocca (111)

2011 Chas Henry (108)

2012 Mat McBriar (110)

2013 Donnie Jones (108)

2014 Donnie Jones (108)

2015 Donnie Jones (113)

2016 Donnie Jones (110)

2017 Donnie Jones (106)

2018 Cam Johnston (110)

2019 Cam Johnston (109)

2020 Cam Johnston (113)

2021 Arryn Siposs (109)

2022 Arryn Siposs (111)

Do we see what's going on here? Isn't it obvious how much better current punters are than their counterparts from a generation ago? It's why I always get a chuckle when I hear/read fans longing for Sean Landeta, as if he were somehow an Eagles legend and an obvious improvement rather than being actually worse. It feels to me like the change started right around the time of Sav Rocca. It might be the Aussie influence throughout the league that has led to consistent improvement. 

So you can say you haven’t punted on this topic for 4 decades 

Where's this guy at today? Like him to teach me more about 🏈.🤣

 

 

7 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Where's this guy at today? Like him to teach me more about 🏈.🤣

I think he's serving a two week ban.

44 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I much rather have Suárez starting then nola at this point if we even get to a game 7

 

Well, this is beyond wishful thinking, but lets hope the Phils blow them out of the water again and we can waste Kyle Gibson and the like to close out Game 6, then start Suarez and have Nola in relief if he's needed. 

2 minutes ago, Eagle1ne said:

I think he's serving a two week ban.

I think the entire board would be happier if it became permanent 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the entire board would be happier if it became permanent 

It's pretty unbelievable the amount of drama that comes with him posting on here. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Well, this is beyond wishful thinking, but lets hope the Phils blow them out of the water again and we can waste Kyle Gibson and the like to close out Game 6, then start Suarez and have Nola in relief if he's needed. 

I view it this way Ranger Suarez is only gonna be on 3 days rest in game 6. So the most you’re getting out of Ranger Suarez in game 6 is likely an inning. Is that inning worth it to you to potentially knock him out of a potential game 7 getting 3 to 4 innings especially when the bullpen has been phenomenal in this series without him? Also, in game seven Aaron Nola is only gonna be on 3 days rest. They gave him an extra time in game 1 and he was bad. So I can’t imagine how many innings he’s going to give you on three days rest or how he’s even going to look.

13 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

Problem with going frame by frame is youre not looking at the motion of the play. You can tell right off the bat that Devonta is running by both of those players and thats the point. Hurts should have anticipated and threw deep because neither one of those players were going to catch up to Devonta if he threw a well thrown deep ball. Its as simple as that. 

I wouldn't have argued if he had made that throw.  He would have had to put the ball deep and towards the middle of the field.  Smith may have caught it and gotten a TD but it's assinine to thinkg it was an easy TD.  Owens would have made it to Smith around the time the ball arrives.  It's not like Hurts can chuck a laser past Owens to Smith.  He's going to have to throw a high arcing ball that Smith will run under towards the middle of the field.  Absent some absolutely perfect throw, I think Owens likely makes a play on the ball or a tackle. He's looking for that throw and dropping back in case Hurts pulls the trigger.  When you factor in the difficulty of the throw, it's not a bad decision by Hurts to not make that throw.  One reason to look at it by frame is that you can understand more than just what you see but what Hurts saw as well.  

42 minutes ago, RLC said:

Yup. We'll be favoured in every NFC playoff game.

I'd argue too that most teams don't RBs as physical as Dameon Pierce.

And how many coaches will stick with the run like Hou did? You see good coordinators take themselves right out of what works all the time

It's another credit to our staff that usually when they see something working we do it repeatedly

4 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Although our focus is in the right place, we do have to improve on the run D at least a little bit. Whether you can find 1 bigger LB who can still cover, or 1-2 more DL who can play both the run and pass equally well....

Im thinking Demarvion Overshown would be a perfect target for us in the draft. We have 2 starting LBs who are free agents. Overshown is an excellent coverage LB with speed, who is also 6'4''. Hes not known for run defense but give me that size and skillset in this D and see if you can get him a little more physical in the run game when needed. Naturally at 6'4'' he is going to be more equipped for it with length to help him shed blocks.

Of course, priority should still be to get younger, and more stout on the DL. 

Yeah, I'm hoping we are choosing between Carter or Murphy next Spring (we've talked about Nolan Smith before).  Overshown was a good name last year, I always appreciate the JOK/Simmons type-players - hope he makes it to our 2nd (still in a DL/CB mindset though).

 

On another note - I can't buy all the powerball tickets because somebody else might get the winning #s as well, and splitting the pot would be disastrous for me - great for the other guy.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The bigger concern coming out of this game is our run defense. I get it was without Jordan Davis and he’s coming back, but even with Davis their DVOA on run defense was 26th. Conner before he got hurt in the cardinals game had 9 rushes for 55. zeke and pollard had 125 on 24 carries. Warren and Harris combined for 82 on 14 rushes. And last night Pierce had 139 on 27 rushes. So with or without Davis it needs to get better. Can say doesn’t matter they won but it’s concerning when you get to the playoffs and a talented team is going to exploit it to try to limit your offensive possessions. I’m guessing a team like the niners who have mccaffrey, deebo and eventually Mitchell back will just keep going back to that well if it’s working. They aren’t afraid to do it every single time if it’s working. Jimmy won a playoff game throwing it 8 times and 27 in two games. 

On Dallas, Id add this as well-

We still stopped Dallas because they didnt run on every single play, and our pass D at times this season is like an automatic incompletion.

But if Bradberry ever has a night like last night where he actually looks human, then it could get ugly against those teams with a WR or 2 on their roster.

If we didnt have the top 2 CBs in the league, Im not sure we would ever get stops. 

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

It's pretty unbelievable the amount of drama that comes with him them posting on here. 

FYP

25 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

A lot of people won't care but some might.

I've been tracking Eagles punts since the late eighties. I measure and time every single one. It takes me about forty-five minutes a week. I've been doing it for years. I've probably done over 6,000 punts in that time. Along with this, I have a simple formula (not going to divulge it but it's rudimentary) for rating a punt. As I mentioned earlier, punters have gotten a LOT better since the late eighties. Just for ish and giggles, here is the punting rating of the Eagles punter for every year (rounded to the nearest whole number):

1988 John Teltschik (101)

1989 John Teltschik (100)

1990 Jeff Feagles (102)

1991 Jeff Feagles (101)

1992 Jeff Feagles (104)

1993 Jeff Feagles (101)

1994 Bryan Barker (100)

1995 Tom Hutton (103)

1996 Tom Hutton (103)

1997 Tom Hutton (104)

1998 Tom Hutton (101)

1999 Sean Landeta (102)

2000 Sean Landeta (102)

2001 Sean Landeta (102)

2002 Sean Landeta (104)

2003 Dirk Johnson (102)

2004 Dirk Johnson (101)

2005 Dirk Johnson (101)

2006 Dirk Johnson (104)

2007 Sav Rocca (104)

2008 Sav Rocca (105)

2009 Sav Rocca (107)

2010 Sav Rocca (111)

2011 Chas Henry (108)

2012 Mat McBriar (110)

2013 Donnie Jones (108)

2014 Donnie Jones (108)

2015 Donnie Jones (113)

2016 Donnie Jones (110)

2017 Donnie Jones (106)

2018 Cam Johnston (110)

2019 Cam Johnston (109)

2020 Cam Johnston (113)

2021 Arryn Siposs (109)

2022 Arryn Siposs (111)

Do we see what's going on here? Isn't it obvious how much better current punters are than their counterparts from a generation ago? It's why I always get a chuckle when I hear/read fans longing for Sean Landeta, as if he were somehow an Eagles legend and an obvious improvement rather than being actually worse. It feels to me like the change started right around the time of Sav Rocca. It might be the Aussie influence throughout the league that has led to consistent improvement. 

Dude you bring this topic up at the bars with the ladies and no way you aren't going to get laid.

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

 

 

I know why he didnt. He ran from weak pressure, and ran the wrong way to where more pressure was. If he stands in there and delivers the ball, its a TD. Of if Smith wasnt quite open just yet, he could had just drifted left in the pocket AWAY from the extra pressure, and had a second longer to let that one fly.

He has no idea how to move in the pocket.

Not Eagles related but pretty good deal for Miami in that Trey Lance deal

9 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Not Eagles related but pretty good deal for Miami in that Trey Lance deal

To make this Eagles-related it would be great if the Eagles got a haul like that from a QB-desperate team for the New Orleans 1st rounder

23 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

Those are some really good throws by Hurts.