9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

No. We are still very hard to beat. Teams can give themselves a chance if they have an excellent run game and can limit our possessions. But they still need us to make a bunch of mistakes to beat ourselves. The perfect storm happened last night.

As much as washington pushed our D around in the 1st half, we only lost because of how many mistakes we made. 

Aside from us, there are 4 other top teams in the NFL. We wont see the Chiefs or Bills because they are in the AFC. But we have already beat Minnesota, and Dallas. We have beaten the two toughest teams we could have possibly faced in the NFC, and we are 8-1. 

 

I’m not arguing that we are no longer contenders. I’m saying the blueprint to beat us is out there, and we better figure it out. 

Does the Dline miss Davis that much?

Shouldn't have lost that game

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

No. We are still very hard to beat. Teams can give themselves a chance if they have an excellent run game and can limit our possessions. But they still need us to make a bunch of mistakes to beat ourselves. The perfect storm happened last night.

As much as washington pushed our D around in the 1st half, we only lost because of how many mistakes we made. 

Aside from us, there are 4 other top teams in the NFL. We wont see the Chiefs or Bills because they are in the AFC. But we have already beat Minnesota, and Dallas. We have beaten the two toughest teams we could have possibly faced in the NFC, and we are 8-1. 

 

True, but:

1) "we only lost because of how many mistakes we made" - This is true only because Wash is not that good.

2) Wash is not that good and "Washington pushed our D around"

 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

The Hurts, McNabb, Vick interview which ended with Hurts saying he appreciated getting his flowers from the other great Philly QBs was nauseating. He is in year 3. He is basically still a rookie. For him to have a perception that he was receiving flowers shows that he thinks he deserves flowers already. He has not had another game as good as week 2 and week 3 this season yet. We are a long way removed from those games now. He needs to up his level of play and stop reading the positive press on himself.  He threw an INT in to double coverage. He ran in to a sack on a crucial 3rd down situation in crunch time. And he underthrew the ball to Quez causing him to go to the ground when he had both defenders absolutely smoked which lead to the fumble. He weak armed two throws to Gainwell, and then missed seeing him wide open on 3rd down on a drive that went 3 and out. He had a large share in losing last night. 

Didn't watch it.  I generally don't watch any of those pre-game shows.  They are always nauseating to me.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Didn't watch it.  I generally don't watch any of those pre-game shows.  They are always nauseating to me.

Agreed.

Right now may be a bad time to say this, but I still think Quez is under utilized downfield.

6 minutes ago, Talkingbirds said:

Isn’t Ndamukong Suh available ?  Anyone out there to help shore up D line ?

Suh, Sheldon Richardson and Malik Jackson available.

Suh the only really viable option from that bunch. Probably waiting for a team to hugely overpay him for half a season.

Just now, eagle45 said:

Right now may be a bad time to say this, but I still think Quez is under utilized downfield.

Personally, I see Quez as being highly overrated by our fan base.  

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m not arguing that we are no longer contenders. I’m saying the blueprint to beat us is out there, and we better figure it out. 

Its one thing to have the blueprint. Its another to be able to execute it well enough to beat us. So far, Dallas, Houston, and even Washington havent been able to beat us. Washington pulled it off only with a lot of help from us, and some help from the refs. 

Washington also didnt JUST do it with their run game. Our coverage was more porous than it has looked all season long. They had a lot of 3rd and shorts, but in the 1st half McLaurin also made a lot of chunk plays as well. Washington got it done in both phases on offense, in the 1st half. 2nd half, we still shut them down. We also tightened up on the dallas run game, and the Houston run game in the 2nd half as well. Those other teams didnt do enough to beat us. Really, Washington didnt either. We did enough to beat ourselves even after the D finally started making stops.

I dont think Indy will have the same success in the passing game that Washington needed, and had, to sustain some of those 1st down scoring drives. And Im pretty positive our team wont play another game with as many costly mistakes. Its one thing for Hurts to have his underthrows and run in to the occasional sack. Its another to be fumbling numerous balls away, and the INT. Thats a lot of turnovers from a pretty excellent offense. Major outlier. 

The run D is not the reason we lost that game. The blueprint isnt a sure way to win. It can only give teams a chance to keep it close. 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Right now may be a bad time to say this, but I still think Quez is under utilized downfield.

Hurts seems to know that he doesnt have the arm to reach him in stride.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Personally, I see Quez as being highly overrated by our fan base.  

its similar to the silliness of fans not realizing how good Smith is.

this defense will at the moment be facing 5 top 7 rushers coming up and the other 3 rushers are taylor next week , the boys duo , then kamara. 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Its one thing to have the blueprint. Its another to be able to execute it well enough to beat us. So far, Dallas, Houston, and even Washington havent been able to beat us. Washington pulled it off only with a lot of help from us, and some help from the refs. 

Washington also didnt JUST do it with their run game. Our coverage was more porous than it has looked all season long. They had a lot of 3rd and shorts, but in the 1st half McLaurin also made a lot of chunk plays as well. Washington got it done in both phases on offense, in the 1st half. 2nd half, we still shut them down. We also tightened up on the dallas run game, and the Houston run game in the 2nd half as well. Those other teams didnt do enough to beat us. Really, Washington didnt either. We did enough to beat ourselves even after the D finally started making stops.

I dont think Indy will have the same success in the passing game that Washington needed, and had, to sustain some of those 1st down scoring drives. And Im pretty positive our team wont play another game with as many costly mistakes. Its one thing for Hurts to have his underthrows and run in to the occasional sack. Its another to be fumbling numerous balls away, and the INT. Thats a lot of turnovers from a pretty excellent offense. Major outlier. 

The run D is not the reason we lost that game. The blueprint isnt a sure way to win. It can only give teams a chance to keep it close. 

You keep propping these games up. The QBs were Cooper Rush, Davis Mills and Taylor Heinieke. 

We’re going to the playoffs. We’ll actually have to beat teams that have a good QB and the blueprint. 

14 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

 

Watch out for the stray dogs in his trailer park 

we got a chinese restaurant near by, all the dogs have disappeared

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Its one thing to have the blueprint. Its another to be able to execute it well enough to beat us. So far, Dallas, Houston, and even Washington havent been able to beat us. Washington pulled it off only with a lot of help from us, and some help from the refs. 

Washington also didnt JUST do it with their run game. Our coverage was more porous than it has looked all season long. They had a lot of 3rd and shorts, but in the 1st half McLaurin also made a lot of chunk plays as well. Washington got it done in both phases on offense, in the 1st half. 2nd half, we still shut them down. We also tightened up on the dallas run game, and the Houston run game in the 2nd half as well. Those other teams didnt do enough to beat us. Really, Washington didnt either. We did enough to beat ourselves even after the D finally started making stops.

I dont think Indy will have the same success in the passing game that Washington needed, and had, to sustain some of those 1st down scoring drives. And Im pretty positive our team wont play another game with as many costly mistakes. Its one thing for Hurts to have his underthrows and run in to the occasional sack. Its another to be fumbling numerous balls away, and the INT. Thats a lot of turnovers from a pretty excellent offense. Major outlier. 

The run D is not the reason we lost that game. The blueprint isnt a sure way to win. It can only give teams a chance to keep it close. 

the run d kept our offense sitting and watching

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You keep propping these games up. The QBs were Cooper Rush, Davis Mills and Taylor Heinieke. 

We’re going to the playoffs. We’ll actually have to beat teams that have a good QB and the blueprint. 

We also smacked cousins around. Or does he not count?

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You keep propping these games up. The QBs were Cooper Rush, Davis Mills and Taylor Heinieke. 

We’re going to the playoffs. We’ll actually have to beat teams that have a good QB and the blueprint. 

who? what teams with good QBs are we seeing in the playoffs?

the eagles passed to much in the first half, I dont understand with that line, just run the ball,  last night was like the stars just aligned perfect for the redskins and the eagles could do nothing  to stop it

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

We also smacked cousins around. Or does he not count?

We did, for sure. And it counts. Feels like a long time ago though. 

18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Right now may be a bad time to say this, but I still think Quez is under utilized downfield.

Yah, this is not the right time. 

He not only failed to score a TD because he fell, he then fumbled it away. Messed up twice on one play.

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

its similar to the silliness of fans not realizing how good Smith is.

It would really be nice if the Eagles' coaches helped fans realize how good he is by using him more effectively. 

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

who? what teams with good QBs are we seeing in the playoffs?

Let’s lower the bar to QBs better than Rush, Mills and Heineke. I’d say Dak, Brady, Cousins, potentially Rodgers, Geno (!). And whomever comes out of the AFC.  Jimmy G might not be good, but SF will pound the football and make us tackle them. 

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It would really be nice if the Eagles' coaches helped fans realize how good he is by using him more effectively. 

Can Smith play better too? Especially vs. Man coverage. 

Sadly, none of our WRs showed out last night.

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You keep propping these games up. The QBs were Cooper Rush, Davis Mills and Taylor Heinieke. 

We’re going to the playoffs. We’ll actually have to beat teams that have a good QB and the blueprint. 

We can only beat who's on our schedule. You're the guy that is usually real big on stats like DVOA because it takes level of opponent into account, right? Well we were the 2nd or 3rd top DVOA defense before last night. And even after last night, I suspect we'll still be top 5. Let's pump the brakes a bit and hold out for a larger sample size, maybe.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

We can only beat who's on our schedule. You're the guy that is usually real big on stats like DVOA because it takes level of opponent into account, right? We were were 2nd or 3rd DVOA on defense before last night. And even after last night, I suspect we'll still be top 5. Let's pump the brakes a bit and hold out for a larger sample size, maybe.

This is a big sample size of the run D being poor. 

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Can Smith play better too? Especially vs. Man coverage. 

Sadly, none of our WRs showed out last night.

I would hope so.   If he can't, then maybe he's not as good in the NFL as some people are telling us.