3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Uphill battle may be the wrong word but they dont control there own destiny and def not in the drivers seat. 

And yes,  the defense is good, makes me nervous but Jimmy G does not. 

If you told me we're gonna face a QB who's going to go 9 for 17, 130 yards and a interception in the playoffs, I'd take that matchup 1000 times over

That's what GB thought

One of the disappointing things of last night is Washington made a lot of mistakes too, and the only one we really took advantage of was the first TD. 

32 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

This is a big sample size of the run D being poor. 

Hmm okay but you were listing QBs in the post I replied to, so I assumed you were referring to a more holistic view of the defense. I agree our run defense sucks, but it's counter-balanced by how well our pass defense has been playing (exception being last night.)

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Brian Robinson Jr was a guy I was hoping the Eagles would draft for largely that reason.  

Exactly, I was really hoping for the Robinson and even Cooks for the duel threat. Now I knew it wouldnt happen, they were not going to draft 2 Rbs. Esp since you cant trust Sanders injury wise. Now luckily Sanders has been exceptional when given the ball and has stayed healthy. Always funny players seam to do that on a contract year. Give all the props to Robinson, high impactful player and crazy enough was shot in the leg not long ago and came back very quickly and hasnt missed a beat. 

30 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The run defense has been pretty poor for most of the season, especially when Davis is not on the field.

 

I'll add... with how well our CBs have been playing, teams will want to run the ball rather than throw.  And it will limit the time our offense is on the field, and it will shorten the game.   If this team can't figure out how to stop the run effectively, getting HFA might be a pipe dream.  Winning the division might become a question mark too, as Barkley is playing out of his mind right now.   Getting swept by the Giants is a very real possibility right now.

See above.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Right now may be a bad time to say this, but I still think Quez is under utilized downfield.

Agreed...

 

...about the under utilized part.

Has Gannon been fired yet? Has he been driven to the airport? 

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

our run defense was 27th in DVOA entering the game. Pass defense they were 2nd. Even before Davis got hurt their DVOA against the run was 22nd. 

Once again, I'm referring to overall defense. He was listing QBs, not RBs.

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

Exactly, I was really hoping for the Robinson and even Cooks for the duel threat. Now I knew it wouldnt happen, they were not going to draft 2 Rbs. Esp since you cant trust Sanders injury wise. Now luckily Sanders has been exceptional when given the ball and has stayed healthy. Always funny players seam to do that on a contract year. Give all the props to Robinson, high impactful player and crazy enough was shot in the leg not long ago and came back very quickly and hasnt missed a beat. 

I think they had high hopes for Gainwell coming into this season and he’s regressed. He’s not a solidified two and he doesn’t have a run style like Robinson or a guy like Dameon Pierce. That’s the type of spell back this team needs. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Losing Jordan Davis isn’t helping.  And the lack of adjustments by Gannon isn’t helping either. 

Problem is Gannon makes adjustments it just takes him an entire half to do it. Which was something I complained about after the Texans game and even in the Steelers game. Second half Washington had the opening drive where we managed to hold them to a FG. but after that the defense was actually fine. Only points they gave up was due to the goedert fumble and gave up 44 total yards the last 4 possessions. 

I went back and re-watched the game. The game plan was we’re gonna make you methodically move the ball down the field because we think you’re gonna make a mistake at some point and we’re gonna capitalize on that. the Eagles got two mistakes from Washington. however, Washington was in 3rd and 3 or less 11 times out of their 22 3rd downs.It is really hard on any defense when about 50% of the third downs are 3rd and short (and really it’s higher than 50 percent as Washington kicked a FG at end of the half on 3rd down due to the clock and the last 3rd down they had just begun to kneel to run clock) 

 

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

You were listing QBs in the post I replied to, so I assumed you were referring to a more holistic view of the defense. I agree our run defense sucks, but it's counter-balanced by how well our pass defense has been playing (exception being last night.)

Sure, but I’m talking about the blueprint to beat us. Run the ball relentlessly, play-action passes etc. Imagine that plan with a halfway decent QB with good players around him.  

 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Once again, I'm referring to overall defense. He was listing QBs, not RBs.

I think his point was a better team that has better QBs, RBs and olines that we are going to play going forward will use that blueprint and make it even more effective. Just in general on Washington, I don’t think Robinson or Gibson are very good RBs (robinson is returning from the shooting so i can kind of understand it more) nor do they have a very good oline. Entering the game robinson and gibson had 3.3 and 3.6 yards per carry.

to me it’s easier to mask a deficiency when you can make teams one dimensional and have to throw the ball which is the eagles strength. Last night the eagles never could get out to a big enough lead to where Washington was forced to be a pass happy team. That’s where the eagles run defense is going to be an issue. Going back to when they play Dallas and they got up 20-0, to Dallas’ credit instead of just a completely abandoning the run and having Cooper Rush have to throw the ball which the eagles wanted, they stuck with the run. It’s why they got back into that game. 

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Sure, but I’m talking about the blueprint to beat us. Run the ball relentlessly, play-action passes etc. Imagine that plan with a halfway decent QB with good players around him.  

If OCs are just now figuring out that we're not good at stopping the run, then they're pretty bad at their jobs. Like you said, we've been bad there for quite a while now and there's plenty of film for other teams to pore over dating back to the beginning of last season if they needed a clue. As has been mentioned, our pass defense and ability to get off the field on 3rd down is usually what counter-balanced a poor run defense, but last night it was nowhere to be found. Obviously our offense coughing up the ball 3 times, and being unable to sustain drives of our own didn't help either. Losing ST was the cherry on top of it all. Is the defense as a whole suddenly unable to beat teams with a decent QB because of this supposed "blueprint" from last night? I'm not so sure and am willing to see a few more games before saying we've been a paper tiger all along. Are we as actually good as our DVOA defense ranking says? Probably not, but are we suddenly in the bottom half of the league, and completely unable to stop an offense with a decent QB? I doubt that too.

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Berman must have seen my post in the early morning hours. I posted every single commanders 3rd downs. The eagles had 12 3rd and 4 or less. Washington converted on 9 of them. That’s 75% conversion. When it was 3rd and 5 or more they were 3 of 10 (really kicking field on 3rd down before half and the kneel down at end of game it’s really 3-8). For the game Washington had 22 third downs (really end of 1st half they couldn’t run and kicked a fg on 3rd down and end of game they kneeled trying to run as much clock as possible) and more than half of them were 3rd and 4 or less. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think his point was a better team that has better QBs, RBs and olines that we are going to play going forward will use that blueprint and make it even more effective. Just in general on Washington, I don’t think Robinson or Gibson are very good RBs (robinson is returning from the shooting so i can kind of understand it more) nor do they have a very good oline. Entering the game robinson and gibson had 3.3 and 3.6 yards per carry.

to me it’s easier to mask a deficiency when you can make teams one dimensional and have to throw the ball which is the eagles strength. Last night the eagles never could get out to a big enough lead to where Washington was forced to be a pass happy team. That’s where the eagles run defense is going to be an issue. Going back to when they play Dallas and they got up 20-0, to Dallas’ credit instead of just a completely abandoning the run and having Cooper Rush have to throw the ball which the eagles wanted, they stuck with the run. It’s why they got back into that game. 

 

Yep. Thank you. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think his point was a better team that has better QBs, RBs and olines that we are going to play going forward will use that blueprint and make it even more effective. Just in general on Washington, I don’t think Robinson or Gibson are very good RBs (robinson is returning from the shooting so i can kind of understand it more) nor do they have a very good oline. Entering the game robinson and gibson had 3.3 and 3.6 yards per carry.

to me it’s easier to mask a deficiency when you can make teams one dimensional and have to throw the ball which is the eagles strength. Last night the eagles never could get out to a big enough lead to where Washington was forced to be a pass happy team. That’s where the eagles run defense is going to be an issue. Going back to when they play Dallas and they got up 20-0, to Dallas’ credit instead of just a completely abandoning the run and having Cooper Rush have to throw the ball which the eagles wanted, they stuck with the run. It’s why they got back into that game. 

 

I think this is the biggest reason why the "blueprint" worked. Teams are far less willing to run the ball as often as we saw last night when they're down two scores. So if teams can keep our offense in check out of the gate, and then commit to a run-heavy gameplan, sure they're gonna have a fighting chance. But by the same token, so will we, and even some of the best teams are vulnerable with that approach. 

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

If OCs are just now figuring out that we're not good at stopping the run, then they're pretty bad at their jobs. Like you said, we've been bad there for quite a while now and there's plenty of film for other teams to pore over dating back to the beginning of last season if they needed a clue. As has been mentioned, our pass defense and ability to get off the field on 3rd down is usually what counter-balanced a poor run defense, but last night it was nowhere to be found. Obviously our offense coughing up the ball 3 times, and being unable to sustain drives of our own didn't help either. Losing ST was the cherry on top of it all. Is the defense as a whole suddenly unable to beat teams with a decent QB because of this supposed "blueprint" from last night? I'm not so sure and am willing to see a few more games before saying we've been a paper tiger all along. Are we as actually good as our DVOA defense ranking says? Probably not, but are we suddenly in the bottom half of the league, and completely unable to stop an offense with a decent QB? I doubt that too.

Lots of teams don’t have the patience to stick with the run. We’ve also had big leads that forced teams away from it, but even Dallas and Detroit got back into games running on us, and using boot action. 

I think it’s fairly clear how teams should attack us. Run at us when we are in 4DL and spread us out when Davis is in. If Davis is off the field, run. That will chew clock and limit possessions. Unless we tighten up against the run, we’ll have to rely on forcing turnovers and mistakes, or get out to big leads that effectively limit the run game. 

While statistically our run defense wasn't "bad" (according to YPC), the large issue was that we could not create negative plays even though we knew they were running to put them into passing situations. In the first half, every time they ran it was an automatic 3-4 yards.

Our DTs (without Davis) and LBs are bad in run support. I had hope that TJ could be a long standing 3 down LB for us but it seems like he's not able to make plays on his own that isn't in coverage.

29 minutes ago, Godfather said:

Has Gannon been fired yet? Has he been driven to the airport? 

Should be, seriously Gannon was awful last night, the Washington OC took him to the wood shed, I'm not sure why so many are always slobbering all over Gannon as a young and up n coming talent.

He made zero adjustments at half time and continued to allow Wash to just slowly do what ever they wanted.

Slay who shut down Jefferson got abused all day by scary terry as Gannon had slay playing deep off the whole game, Gannon was basically in a deep shell the whole effin game.

So reminiscent of last year where no name trash qbs had career days against the birds, I can't imagine the loss of Davis has this much of an impact on the D  and if so if the D cant function without that player than it's a flawed D scheme.

Gannon can't be gone fast enough for me, Id be ok if the D was aggressive and just got beat but Gannon just has them sitting back picking daisies the whole game and they still got beat deep, just difficult to watch 

 

 

20 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I think this is the biggest reason why the "blueprint" worked. Teams are far less willing to run the ball as often as we saw last night when they're down two scores. So if teams can keep our offense in check out of the gate, and then commit to a run-heavy gameplan, sure they're gonna have a fighting chance. But by the same token, so will we, and even some of the best teams are vulnerable with that approach. 

I would say this is mostly true. I do think teams lack patience when they get too far behind and become one dimensional. I thought the Vikings became one dimensional very early in that game. The last two games houston and Washington were able to keep it close enough where they didn’t have to abandon the run. I’m guessing teams like the colts, packers and titans are going to utilize that blueprint. Intjink colts and titans were gonna do it anyway as k think they have to do that in order to win games. It’s really the blueprint that reich (gone now) used a couple years back with Jacoby brissett when they upset the chiefs and mahomes  

That said not everyone is going to commit to abandoning the run. go back to that Dallas and lions games. Lions got down 2 scores but stuck with it and had A chance at the end of that game. The eagles were up 20 points vs Dallas and Dallas stuck with the run and used play action bootlegs off of it. Dallas got back into that game because Zeke looked like vintage Zeke due to the Eagles run defense/tackling was bad for a long stretch and their defense finally was able to get stops.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Lots of teams don’t have the patience to stick with the run. We’ve also had big leads that forced teams away from it, but even Dallas and Detroit got back into games running on us, and using boot action. 

I think it’s fairly clear how teams should attack us. Run at us when we are in 4DL and spread us out when Davis is in. If Davis is off the field, run. That will chew clock and limit possessions. Unless we tighten up against the run, we’ll have to rely on forcing turnovers and mistakes, or get out to big leads that effectively limit the run game. 

Right but this has been obvious for a season and a half now. Would be pretty weird if it took teams that long to finally figure out they should be doing that.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Lots of teams don’t have the patience to stick with the run. We’ve also had big leads that forced teams away from it, but even Dallas and Detroit got back into games running on us, and using boot action. 

I think it’s fairly clear how teams should attack us. Run at us when we are in 4DL and spread us out when Davis is in. If Davis is off the field, run. That will chew clock and limit possessions. Unless we tighten up against the run, we’ll have to rely on forcing turnovers and mistakes, or get out to big leads that effectively limit the run game. 

Also want to add that teams shouldnt fear our offense even if we start off hot like we did last night. Teams now are not going to get away from the run game even if they are down 1 or 2 scores like they have been in the first 7 weeks. This offense is naturally inconsistent. We never know when Sanders will only get 1 carry in a half. When Smith only gets 3 targets a game. When AJ Brown gets 4 targets. When the OC falls in love with WR screens. This offense is so much smoke screen and based of scheme that changes week to week that it really doesnt have an identity. Which in part because it doesnt have an identity makes it hard for DCs to scheme against but it only works for so long....as weve seen typically a half.

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Should be, seriously Gannon was awful last night, the Washington OC took him to the wood shed, I'm not sure why so many are always slobbering all over Gannon as a young and up n coming talent.

He made zero adjustments at half time and continued to allow Wash to just slowly do what ever they wanted.

Slay who shut down Jefferson got abused all day by scary terry as Gannon had slay playing deep off the whole game, Gannon was basically in a deep shell the whole effin game.

So reminiscent of last year where no name trash qbs had career days against the birds, I can't imagine the loss of Davis has this much of an impact on the D  and if so if the D cant function without that player than it's a flawed D scheme.

Gannon can't be gone fast enough for me, Id be ok if the D was aggressive and just got beat but Gannon just has them sitting back picking daisies the whole game and they still got beat deep, just difficult to watch 

 

 

I’d somewhat disagree with this. The first drive of the second half that this was true. The rest of the game the commanders had 4 possessions and had 44 yards and they actually were better the last 4 possessions of the game.  The issue is it shouldn’t take Gannon 2.5 quarters to figure out what he’s doing isn’t working or implementing new wrinkles. This was the same issue we had with the Texans last week.

Cox cannot be playing 84%