6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would say this is mostly true. I do think teams lack patience when they get too far behind and become one dimensional. I thought the Vikings became one dimensional very early in that game. The last two games houston and Washington were able to keep it close enough where they didn’t have to abandon the run. I’m guessing teams like the colts, packers and titans are going to utilize that blueprint. Intjink colts and titans were gonna do it anyway as k think they have to do that in order to win games. It’s really the blueprint that reich (gone now) used a couple years back with Jacoby brissett when they upset the chiefs and mahomes  

That said not everyone is going to commit to abandoning the run. go back to that Dallas and lions games. Lions got down 2 scores but stuck with it and had A chance at the end of that game. The eagles were up 20 points vs Dallas and Dallas stuck with the run and used play action bootlegs off of it. Dallas got back into that game because Zeke looked like vintage Zeke due to the Eagles run defense/tackling was bad for a long stretch and their defense finally was able to get stops.

Agreed on the Lions game, but we still held Dallas to 17 pts, the only reason they got back into that game is because our offense struggled a bit against their defense.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Cox cannot be playing 84%

That robinson TD drive he was really awful. If you go back and watch it, he’s getting pushed off the line and moved around. The one time I’m that drive he got penetration is because the play design wanted him to get up field and take himself out of the play and it worked. 

Apparently the head coach also feels we took too long to adjust last night.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Cox cannot be playing 84%

Him and Quinn are basically stealing money at this point.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Cox cannot be playing 84%

I don't think he really played any snaps last night.

5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Him and Quinn are basically stealing money at this point.

At least Quinn is stealing the vast majority of his money from Chicago.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Cox cannot be playing 84%

I’m shocked how Cox has apparently hit a cliff in terms of performance.  From being considered among the best DT’s in the NFL to basically a rotational piece in the span of 2 seasons is surprising.  Is there some sort of nagging injury that we’re not aware of?  

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I’m shocked how Cox has apparently hit a cliff in terms of performance.  From being considered among the best DT’s in the NFL to basically a rotational piece in the span of 2 seasons is surprising.  Is there some sort of nagging injury that we’re not aware of?  

Just age and lack of conditioning is my guess.

29 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d somewhat disagree with this. The first drive of the second half that this was true. The rest of the game the commanders had 4 possessions and had 44 yards and they actually were better the last 4 possessions of the game.  The issue is it shouldn’t take Gannon 2.5 quarters to figure out what he’s doing isn’t working or implementing new wrinkles. This was the same issue we had with the Texans last week.

One of those possessions was the pick, not sure if Gannon made an adjustment or CJG just made a play,🤷‍♂️ another one of those possessions was the last where Wash was just running clock.

So 3 possessions really, but yeah shouldn't take Gannon who the media portrays as a D god 3 quarters to figure out what the heck is going on.

I'd like to think it was just a bad game by Gannon and crew but the week before  they got shredded by a bad Texans offense as well.

Gannon keeps trying to run his 5 man fronts or 4i fronts but without Davis just like last year he doesnt have the personnel to run it and instead of doing something else he just keeps cramming square pegs into round holes.

Tuipolotu at NT isn't going to cut it, asking Cox to two gap all game isn't working.

The LBs aren't being kept clean and aren't good enough( TJ) or big enough( kyzir) to get off blocks and make tackles.

With Davis out Gannon is going to have to switch things up and so far 2 games later he hasn't made any meaningful adjustments.

Having said that as bad as Gannon was if eagles O doesn't shoot them selves in the foot and the refs don't hold the gun they probably win the game despite Gannons horrible game plan.

 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I’m shocked how Cox has apparently hit a cliff in terms of performance.  From being considered among the best DT’s in the NFL to basically a rotational piece in the span of 2 seasons is surprising.  Is there some sort of nagging injury that we’re not aware of?  

Not as explosive anymore and generally seems like a lack of motivation. If things aren't going his way he appears to shut down.

The Eagles are going to need to add another DT to the roster for the next 2 games, because those DTs can't handle those snaps. Can be Marvin Wilson or ideally someone with more weight.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Just age and lack of conditioning is my guess.

Honestly, attitude too. Last night it looked like he was pulling the same crap as last year with being unhappy how he's used and barely giving an effort. 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I’m shocked how Cox has apparently hit a cliff in terms of performance.  From being considered among the best DT’s in the NFL to basically a rotational piece in the span of 2 seasons is surprising.  Is there some sort of nagging injury that we’re not aware of?  

He wasn't that guy 3 years ago either.  He was in 2017... 2018, he started to decline, 2019 more decline... 2020 more decline... he was bad in 2021 and 2022 he's been virtually invisible.   He should not have been brought back this year, and certainly not at the price he got.  

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I’m shocked how Cox has apparently hit a cliff in terms of performance.  From being considered among the best DT’s in the NFL to basically a rotational piece in the span of 2 seasons is surprising.  Is there some sort of nagging injury that we’re not aware of?  

 

Dude is trash, he was last year and everybody knew it except for Howie apparently.

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Cox cannot be playing 84%

Hargrave shouldn’t be playing as many either. What’s worse is that their snap counts equal 100 percent of a normal game. Not that I feel bad for them since they couldn’t get off the field. 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

The Eagles are going to need to add another DT to the roster for the next 2 games, because those DTs can't handle those snaps. Can be Marvin Wilson or ideally someone with more weight.

Short week vs a team that will be smart enough to run at us just as much. Might be a good idea for the Colts to use no huddle too. 

10 minutes ago, RLC said:

The Eagles are going to need to add another DT to the roster for the next 2 games, because those DTs can't handle those snaps. Can be Marvin Wilson or ideally someone with more weight.

Yup, Gannons D is predicated on having a NT that can take up space, they have zero other heavy NT on the roster in the case Davis went down.

When he got hurt I said to myself hes the one guy on D they can't afford to lose because they don't have any one else on the roster anywhere close to his size or ability and the whole defensive front scheme is predicated on that ability 

Tuipolotu is apparently his back up which I guess is fitting since Tui spends majority of the game on his back 

Ellis was supposed to be Davis backup and at around 345 pounds would have at least fit the mold but his leg apparently fell off.

For all the praise Howie gets for adding talent this off-season his inability to bring in a big fat NT in case Davis went down looks worse every week since Davis went down.

Like I said without Davis Gannons D looks like it did last year where he really doesnt have the pieces to run " his" scheme but runs it anyway even though the pieces don't fit...

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Agreed on the Lions game, but we still held Dallas to 17 pts, the only reason they got back into that game is because our offense struggled a bit against their defense.

The offense has shown to struggle/have lulls for largest portions of games. Only games they didn’t were lions, Texans and Steelers who are just really bad. the first time they faced Washington we exploded for 24 points in the second then didn’t score the entire second half. Cardinals game they got up 14-0 with 10 mins left in the 2nd and scored 6 the rest of the game. Dallas game got up 20-0 and then offense disappeared the rest of the game besides 1 drive. Eagles had 14 points first two possessions and rest of the game had 7 on 8 possessions (tonight was more of bad turnovers but they weren’t going all year averaging .4 turnovers a game for the entire year) 

I’d argue Dallas got back in that game cause eagles offense struggled against their defense in the third quarter and Dallas went more run heavy and were effective running the ball. (once down 20-3 at the half they called 14 runs to 10 passes to get it back to 20-17; prior to that Dallas was 15 passes to 10 runs). zeke and pollard began averaging 6.2 yards per carry the next 3 possessions once they were down 20 points  

 

I'm not really worried about the Colts. They aren't a good team. 

Green Bay though, is starting to look like a tougher game than it did 2 weeks ago. Jones/Dillon could have a field day and then you will have Rodgers. They also play this Thursday night so they get a mini bye to prepare. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The offense has shown to struggle/have lulls for largest portions of games. Only games they didn’t were lions, Texans and Steelers who are just really bad. the first time they faced Washington we exploded for 24 points in the second then didn’t score the entire second half. Cardinals game they got up 14-0 with 10 mins left in the 2nd and scored 6 the rest of the game. Dallas game got up 20-0 and then offense disappeared the rest of the game besides 1 drive. Eagles had 14 points first two possessions and rest of the game had 7 on 8 possessions (tonight was more of bad turnovers but they weren’t going all year averaging .4 turnovers a game for the entire year) 

I’d argue Dallas got back in that game cause eagles offense struggled against their defense in the third quarter and Dallas went more run heavy and were effective running the ball. (once down 20-3 at the half they called 14 runs to 10 passes to get it back to 20-17; prior to that Dallas was 15 passes to 10 runs). zeke and pollard began averaging 6.2 yards per carry the next 3 possessions once they were down 20 points  

 

I mean, yeah I think we're in agreement, it's a team sport and we need to play well in all phases of the game. The reason why we have the best record in the league is because we have done that for the most part when needed. Current DVOA rankings are 4th on offense and 5th on defense. Which is good enough for 2nd overall. Sure we've beat some cupcakes to get there, but again, we can only beat who's on our schedule which we have no control over. For those thinking we've been exposed in a big way and are doomed for a freefall, I'd be curious to hear where they think we end up ultimately.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/team-defense/2022/regular

Didn't like that Howie sat on his hands at the trade deadline instead of finding a DT to add to the rotation.  I rather call up a young DT in Wilson than go for an aging vet in Suh.  They need some energy/juice there.  Liked the fight that Williams showed late in game.  

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Short week vs a team that will be smart enough to run at us just as much. Might be a good idea for the Colts to use no huddle too. 

Maybe give Dean a shot

more likely rotate cjgj down into the box

 

13 minutes ago, Utebird said:

One of those possessions was the pick, not sure if Gannon made an adjustment or CJG just made a play,🤷‍♂️ another one of those possessions was the last where Wash was just running clock.

So 3 possessions really, but yeah shouldn't take Gannon who the media portrays as a D god 3 quarters to figure out what the heck is going on.

I'd like to think it was just a bad game by Gannon and crew but the week before  they got shredded by a bad Texans offense as well.

Gannon keeps trying to run his 5 man fronts or 4i fronts but without Davis just like last year he doesnt have the personnel to run it and instead of doing something else he just keeps cramming square legs into round holes.

Tuipolotu at NT isn't going to cut it, asking Cox to two gap all game isn't working.

The LBs aren't being kept clean and aren't good enough( TJ) or big enough( kyzir) to get off blocks and make tackles.

With Davis out Gannon is going to have to switch things up and so far 2 games later he hasn't made any meaningful adjustments.

Having said that as bad as Gannon was if eagles O doesn't shoot them selves in the foot and the refs don't hold the gun they probably win the game despite Gannons horrible game plan.

 

I mean the possession Washington was running the clock but they initially were trying to get a first and not have to punt it back. The initial 3 downs the eagles defense did their job and even got a sack which would’ve given the offense some breathing room from their own end zone except graham made a boneheaded play. After that is when Washington really was just trying to run the clock. 

Also, on Chauncey Gardner Johnson’s interception with Gannon, the game plan from Gannon was we’re gonna make you methodically move the ball down the field because we think you’re going to eventually make a mistake at some point. That’s what happened that possession so it actually worked. 

Don’t get me wrong I agree with you on a lot of this. His adjustments have been poor or take wayyyy too long. You can’t keep banging your head against the wall and thinking  your game plan is going to work as your game plan the first 2 1/2 quarters gets burned. If you can’t adjust on the fly or too stubborn to adjust then eventually you are going to pay the consequences for it. 

36 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Cox cannot be playing 84%

I noticed he was even in there on .84% of plays. Didn’t do a damn thing.