4 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

you have time, sitting at home drawing that free money

I wish

29 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The DB has outside leverage. Use it against him and cut upfield to the inside and get what you can. A one-yard gain there is bad. You have to admit that. 

Edit: Was that even a LB? Whoever it was, he was double teamed by two OL. I assume that was Buckner. 

Those guys werent even blocking, nor was the WR. They all look like theyre standing watching.

I see the CB has outside leverage, but if you can make that 1 guy miss you can outrun those other guys up the sideline. Cut inside, its guaranteed shorter gain. Probably not much more than he got. 

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Those guys werent even blocking, nor was the WR. They all look like theyre standing watching.

I see the CB has outside leverage, but if you can make that 1 guy miss you can outrun those other guys up the sideline. Cut inside, its guaranteed shorter gain. Probably not much more than he got. 

Don’t confuse me mentioning the double team as suggesting they’re still engaged in blocking. It was only to point out that it was likely not an LB like you said. 

I was at the game and was watching him from an end zone angle. It was a bad choice by him. He should have threatened outside leverage and cut back inside. It’s just like a WR release. Trying to hit a home run instead of taking 4-5 yards when it could get us in FG range isn’t smart.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Don’t confuse me mentioning the double team as suggesting they’re still engaged in blocking. It was only to point out that it was likely not an LB like you said. 

I was at the game and was watching him from an end zone angle. It was a bad choice by him. He should have threatened outside leverage and cut back inside. It’s just like a WR release. Trying to hit a home run instead of taking 4-5 yards when it could get us in FG range isn’t smart.

theres a lot of green grass there either way he chose to win. This is not a situation where a RB should say "Im beat" and look to just take any little bit he can get. He has tons of room to make moves. He made the right choice, and you saw an example of a CB making an excellent 1 on 1 play with the RB to save a big gain.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Bacartys 5 take aways...(non eagles related)

Ravens beat a bad Panthers team but struggled in every aspect of the game. Could be lack of motivation or MArk Andrews is Ecerything

Jets/Patriots game was brutal. First Punt Return for a TD in over 1400 Punts. Jets are on the cusp, but fell short

Saints shot there load yesterday. They got the 9ers, Buccs and a Falcons team fighting for a playoff spot....

I understand Tyrik is insane. I understand that the Dolphins are better with him. But the haul that the chiefs got for him, the money it freed up to sign players, PLUS the draft picks put them back into conversation for the next 5-6 years at least

Said it a couple days ago. Giants are frauds. You cant win that many 50/50 games and keep it up for an entire year. They may go 0-5

26 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

theres a lot of green grass there either way he chose to win. This is not a situation where a RB should say "Im beat" and look to just take any little bit he can get. He has tons of room to make moves. He made the right choice, and you saw an example of a CB making an excellent 1 on 1 play with the RB to save a big gain.

No. The DB has outside leverage and Sanders runs directly to the sideline anyway, letting the sideline become a defender. There was very little chance of success there. Getting 4-5 yards is not "I’m beat.” It’s a productive play, particularly given our down and distance and field position. Sanders got the absolute least amount of yardage there as possible barring falling down. It was a bad play by him. 

13 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

He was literally standing around on the goal line when Hurts ran out of bounds on the 3rd down play before our FG. No effort whatsoever to get open and give Hurts an option on a scramble drill for a critical 3rd down at that point of the game. We were all scratching our heads trying to figure out why the Titans would ever trade him away after the first couple games. Starting to get a glimpse into the rationale now, perhaps.

Eh the brown situation with the titans was more because they had a ton of money invested in Henry and tannehill. They couldn’t get out of the tannehill contract to save money and reinvest into brown. Also vrabel and that organization is similar to the line of thinking with the patriots where the team (for them besides Henry) is bigger than one player so the maximized (kind of thought they could’ve actually gotten more) on Brown.

the concern for me when they made that aj brown trade was more his injury history over the last two years. Last 2 years he tended to get banged up and miss a few weeks. 

that said with goedert out we need brown and smith more to make up for that. They are are biggest mismatches. Thought yesterday was the first time in a while we saw smith utilized more down the field. I’d like to see more of it from both brown and smith 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

We desperately need an RB with vision who can break arm tackles. It's a shame we won't even try Sermon to see if he can do it, because Scott isn't it. 

Teams generally don't cut third round picks after one year, especially ones they traded up for, if they are actually any good. His "highlights" with the 49ers were staggeringly bad. 

It really is possible that he's not a good running back. I think I'd rather have Jordan Howard.

 

5 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Teams generally don't cut third round picks after one year, especially ones they traded up for, if they are actually any good. His "highlights" with the 49ers were staggeringly bad. 

It really is possible that he's not a good running back. I think I'd rather have Jordan Howard.

Jordan Howard could pass block and pick up blitzes better than any of the backs we currently have. It was an issue last year i talked about. It’s still an issue this year. That said in this game it’s ridiculous to ask sanders to 1 on 1 block ngakoue. That’s a recipe for disaster. 

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

Just in general, i was more surprised the colts didn’t have a spy on hurts. knowing he already had 15 rushes in the game and knowing in the red zone his legs become much more dangerous and could run. Thankfully they didn’t but i don’t get why they wouldn’t given the situation and hurts having 8 rushing tds on the year. It’s nearly 1 per game and almost all are inside the 10 

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

That injury hurts. Although slayton has played really well for them lately. That said i just don’t think they have the offensive firepower to keep up in that game with Dallas unless Dallas defense plays like they did vs. Chicago and GB. They need Barkley to go nuts on Thursday and he/giants running game looked miserable on Sunday vs. the lions. 

27 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Those guys werent even blocking, nor was the WR. They all look like theyre standing watching.

I see the CB has outside leverage, but if you can make that 1 guy miss you can outrun those other guys up the sideline. Cut inside, its guaranteed shorter gain. Probably not much more than he got. 

he wouldve got a few more yards cutting inside

18 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

No. The DB has outside leverage and Sanders runs directly to the sideline anyway, letting the sideline become a defender. There was very little chance of success there. Getting 4-5 yards is not "I’m beat.” It’s a productive play, particularly given our downs and distance and field position. Sanders got the absolute least amount of yardage there as possible barring falling down. It was a bad play by him. 

with all that green around him, no RB in his right mind is thinking about just getting 4-5 yards. 

Before the snap, Buckner spied the Eagles’ linemen setting a certain way — it was how they’d lined up all game long before passing plays. So he crashed the B-gap, thinking Hurts would be dropping back deep in the pocket.

"Everybody and their mama knew it was a draw except for me,” Buckner said. "I should have been stab rushing. Maybe I could’ve fallen back inside and we would’ve had a chance on fourth down. I gotta be better.”

The Colts were in their zone defense, thinking the Eagles would only run the QB draw from an empty set. Hurts had running back Boston Scott to his right. The Colts only rushed four. When Franklin dropped into coverage, and Philly center Jason Kelce picked up Okereke, Hurts had nothing but open field in front of him.

"Really, just a good call by them,” Franklin said. "Just have to be better in that situation.”

That was from the Athletic article I posted above. 

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

dont care what the formation is. If they watched any Hurts games at all you know he wants to run down there. 

16 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Teams generally don't cut third round picks after one year, especially ones they traded up for, if they are actually any good. His "highlights" with the 49ers were staggeringly bad. 

It really is possible that he's not a good running back. I think I'd rather have Jordan Howard.

Since Stoutland has been here, we've never seen an RB with great vision. I want to see that at some point. I think we could easily get 3-5 yard chunks at will just by having RBs who can read properly. 

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

"Hate” is lazy, unintelligent thinking

i doubt anyone hates hurts. He seems like a good guy and works hard, which is why his teammates like him, but his physical and mental limitations are still the same and that makes him  not good enough as a qb

 

Running away from contact

I am more inclined to agree with you on his physical limitations than his mental ones at this point.  I don't think we discuss his vision of the field as being a physical limitation.  I do think that's why at times we see him struggling in the pocket to find an open receiver.  He seems to work best when he has big lanes to make downfield throws. His arm strength will always be what it is in terms of throws where he cannot torque his lower body.  His accuracy is much better this season.  He seems to be much improved in terms of placement.  I think that's something that he can continue to improve on with work.  His release time and needing to set his feet are probably not going to change.  The strip sack was in part due to him taking the time he takes to get set and throw.  I don't know if this can improve more than it has. 

His mental limitations are more complex and people don't give Hurts enough credit for things he processes well.   The team's option offense relies on him to make quick decisions. He does this very well for the most part.  Where it gets difficult is the progress he's making passing in regular drop backs.  He seems to have improved immensely in terms of understanding what defenses are giving him.   When he has a clean pocket he can pick out the correct read quickly and make decent throws.  He's not a first read and run QB but I don't think he's making it through his progressions quickly.  He also does not make check down throws when he could.  He seems to go into escape the pocket mode too quickly.  He oftens seems to not know where defenders may be.  The 4th and 10 play was a good example of him just not making a good decision.  He had a blitzer coming at him and tried to escape rather than get the ball out to a receiver. I don't know if anyone was open but that's a time where he has to just make the best throw he can.  

The reality is that he's not Mahomes.  His ceiling is probably Dak like.  So he needs to have a talented roster to win. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Since Stoutland has been here, we've never seen an RB with great vision. I want to see that at some point. I think we could easily get 3-5 yard chunks at will just by having RBs who can read properly. 

Wait what....Shady saw holes before they were there.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Since Stoutland has been here, we've never seen an RB with great vision. I want to see that at some point. I think we could easily get 3-5 yard chunks at will just by having RBs who can read properly. 

LeSean McCoy from 2013 and 2014 would like a word with you.  

LeSean McCoy was an excellent RB for us, but he didn't win with vision. His vision was not bad (see Sanders, Miles), it was league-average. League-average vision + elite breaking tackle ability = Pro-Bowl caliber RB. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Before the snap, Buckner spied the Eagles’ linemen setting a certain way — it was how they’d lined up all game long before passing plays. So he crashed the B-gap, thinking Hurts would be dropping back deep in the pocket.

"Everybody and their mama knew it was a draw except for me,” Buckner said. "I should have been stab rushing. Maybe I could’ve fallen back inside and we would’ve had a chance on fourth down. I gotta be better.”

The Colts were in their zone defense, thinking the Eagles would only run the QB draw from an empty set. Hurts had running back Boston Scott to his right. The Colts only rushed four. When Franklin dropped into coverage, and Philly center Jason Kelce picked up Okereke, Hurts had nothing but open field in front of him.

"Really, just a good call by them,” Franklin said. "Just have to be better in that situation.”

That was from the Athletic article I posted above. 

Did the colts have a spy on hurts? Says he spied what the oline looked like and had done all game so he thought it was a pass. But i feel like regardless the colts should’ve had someone spying on hurts inside the 10.