3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Wait a couple years:

PFR

Williams  27g  2st  52 tackles, 15 pressures, 5 hurries, 5 KD, 4 sacks

McNeill  27g  16 st  56 tackles, 13 pressures, 7 hurries, 3 KD, 3 sacks

McNeill would not have gotten to start behind Hargrave and Cox, he isn't Davis.

Out of curiosity, what are their snap count totals?

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yeah, he definitely coached emotionally 

I hope they start running more plays under center. That attempt to draw the Colts offsides on 4th and 2 was laughably bad and he was really lucky that burned timeout didn't come back to bite him. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Out of curiosity, what are their snap count totals?

~900 to 700 overall.

McNeil is playing like 70% now compared  to Milton’s 40%.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Out of curiosity, what are their snap count totals?

Williams...712

McNeill...929

 

Also, Williams has 10 TFL.  McNeill has 8.

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Williams...712

McNeill...929

 

Also, Williams has 10 TFL.  McNeill has 8.

DET switched from a 3DL 2-gap to 4DL 1-gap in 2022 which further muddles the comparison.

2 hours ago, eggs said:

Cox has faded late in the season the past few years. It’s good to let him rest for the playoffs. 

I have never seen a DT turn his side and rush that way as much as him. It is funny to watch 

3 hours ago, RLC said:

I am confused.

Well since Fields is more of a running back then a QB, this injury shouldn’t matter to much unless he is trouble tucking the ball

2 hours ago, Desertbirds said:

Yes

Howie sux

5 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

We’ve lived through the Josh Adams era, it can be much worse.

Some of us go back much further... to the James Joseph and Heath Sherman era.  Even the Anthony Toney draft selection.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Some of us go back much further... to the James Joseph and Heath Sherman era.  Even the Anthony Toney draft selection.

Objectively worse times indeed given the importance of the running game in the days yore.

Just now, Waiting4Someday said:

Objectively worse given the importance of the running game in the days yore.

Not to worry, they had the league's worst OL to run behind.  But... they had a plan for it... Randall will just go make 3 big plays a game... and we'd win.

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Some of us go back much further... to the James Joseph and Heath Sherman era.  Even the Anthony Toney draft selection.

I liked Heath Sherman. I thought he would have been productive with a better oline. Toney was disappointing. Keith Byars was also disappointing as a runner.  You’re forgetting Michael Haddix too.  He was another first round bust in the 80s. He was drafted ahead of Bruce Matthews in the 83 draft. I can’t remember him having even one good game. 

Just now, NCiggles said:

I liked Heath Sherman. I thought he would have been productive with a better oline. Toney was disappointing. Keith Byars was also disappointing as a runner.  You’re forgetting Michael Haddix too.  He was another first round bust in the 80s. He was drafted ahead of Bruce Matthews in the 83 draft. I can’t remember him having even one good game. 

Indeed he was.   I try to repress the Michael Haddix draft selection from my memory.  So many better choices... and that's who we landed on.  

29 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not to worry, they had the league's worst OL to run behind.  But... they had a plan for it... Randall will just go make 3 big plays a game... and we'd win.

Just imagine if Buddy built a middling OL group… he’s essentially grabbing Seth and Clyde as UDFAs (9th, 10th round), B&E in the 4th, Eric Allen back of the 2nd…

He tried at RB, I guess… Keith Byars (actually put a lot of resources into RB).

22 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not to worry, they had the league's worst OL to run behind.  But... they had a plan for it... Randall will just go make 3 big plays a game... and we'd win.

Buddy’s offense was telling Randall "gimme 5 big plays” in his Kentucky drawl lol.

First of all, hats off to Howie for producing Joseph and Suh inside of 1 week mid season.

The counterpoint to that, however…if we need to produce Joseph/Suh midsession and that can be done off the street, then why did we need to have 2 first round picks, a 3rd round pick, and 2 huge contracts in the DT position?

It’s a position where it’s harmful to have a gaping hole, but perhaps superfluous to have multiple huge investments.

Any first round pick we’ve ever made vs much discussed alternatives is generally a much worse comparison than Milton Williams vs McNeil.  Let’s not get too beat up over it.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Wait a couple years:

PFR

Williams  27g  2st  52 tackles, 15 pressures, 5 hurries, 5 KD, 4 sacks

McNeill  27g  16 st  56 tackles, 13 pressures, 7 hurries, 3 KD, 3 sacks

McNeill would not have gotten to start behind Hargrave and Cox, he isn't Davis.

I could start over cox, he's horrible.

would have allowed Howie to let Cox walk instead of bringing him back for 14mil to be a backup level player.

Though I'm not sure if they drafted McNeil they draft Davis.🤷‍♂️

 

33 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I liked Heath Sherman. I thought he would have been productive with a better oline. Toney was disappointing. Keith Byars was also disappointing as a runner.  You’re forgetting Michael Haddix too.  He was another first round bust in the 80s. He was drafted ahead of Bruce Matthews in the 83 draft. I can’t remember him having even one good game. 

Keith byars was a top 15 pick that ended being a FB☹️

Toney wasn't bad considering the horrific o line, his knees crapped out.

Sherman Tank was one of my favorite players when I was a kid, his knees went early too and he wasn't anything special but he ran hard and for a 6th round pick he wasn't bad, his playoff game against the saints was great👍

 

There's a story behind that 6th round pick they used on Sherman. Prior to the draft that year, the Eagles offered their 4,5,7,8,9,10,11,12 round picks (or something like that -- it was all their picks other then the six) to the Bears for their third round pick. Buddy wanted Texas linebacker Britt Hager and was pretty sure he could get him in the third. The Bears agreed and the Eagles picked Hager, who ended up being a dud. 

When asked about why he didn't include the sixth, Buddy smiled and said he had other plans. In the previous draft, there was a running back from Miami named Melvin Bratton who injured his knee in the Orange Bowl and wasn't expected to play as a rookie. He was drafted in the sixth round by the Dolphins but never signed with them so he became eligible for the next draft. That's who Buddy was planning on drafting. But the Broncos picked him in round five, so the Eagles settled on Sherman. He actually had a much better career than Bratton anyway.

Sherman had a very good MNF game against the Giants as a rookie and was, I thought, a decent back. But he ended up sharing the spotlight with Byars and later Herschel Walker and faded away. His name is not one I would cite with negative connotations. For a sixth round pick, he was definitely a "hit". 

2 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

There's a story behind that 6th round pick they used on Sherman. Prior to the draft that year, the Eagles offered their 4,5,7,8,9,10,11,12 round picks (or something like that -- it was all their picks other then the six) to the Bears for their third round pick. Buddy wanted Texas linebacker Britt Hager and was pretty sure he could get him in the third. The Bears agreed and the Eagles picked Hager, who ended up being a dud. 

When asked about why he didn't include the sixth, Buddy smiled and said he had other plans. In the previous draft, there was a running back from Miami named Melvin Bratton who injured his knee in the Orange Bowl and wasn't expected to play as a rookie. He was drafted in the sixth round by the Dolphins but never signed with them so he became eligible for the next draft. That's who Buddy was planning on drafting. But the Broncos picked him in round five, so the Eagles settled on Sherman. He actually had a much better career than Bratton anyway.

Sherman had a very good MNF game against the Giants as a rookie and was, I thought, a decent back. But he ended up sharing the spotlight with Byars and later Herschel Walker and faded away. His name is not one I would cite with negative connotations. For a sixth round pick, he was definitely a "hit". 

Didn't know buddy gave up that much to draft Hager.☹️

I remember Hager being a dud though.

10 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

There's a story behind that 6th round pick they used on Sherman. Prior to the draft that year, the Eagles offered their 4,5,7,8,9,10,11,12 round picks (or something like that -- it was all their picks other then the six) to the Bears for their third round pick. Buddy wanted Texas linebacker Britt Hager and was pretty sure he could get him in the third. The Bears agreed and the Eagles picked Hager, who ended up being a dud. 

When asked about why he didn't include the sixth, Buddy smiled and said he had other plans. In the previous draft, there was a running back from Miami named Melvin Bratton who injured his knee in the Orange Bowl and wasn't expected to play as a rookie. He was drafted in the sixth round by the Dolphins but never signed with them so he became eligible for the next draft. That's who Buddy was planning on drafting. But the Broncos picked him in round five, so the Eagles settled on Sherman. He actually had a much better career than Bratton anyway.

Sherman had a very good MNF game against the Giants as a rookie and was, I thought, a decent back. But he ended up sharing the spotlight with Byars and later Herschel Walker and faded away. His name is not one I would cite with negative connotations. For a sixth round pick, he was definitely a "hit". 

The issue wasn't Sherman... it was that they were forced to rely on him.  He was a JAG back.  Nothing special.  Then again, would have been hard for any back to show much more than that behind those lines.

Packers are 9th in Passing with 2,615 yards 19 TDs

Eagles are 16th in Passing with 2,430 yards 15 TDs

          However Jalen Hurts has 8 rushing TDs and 440 yards and A. Rodgers has a 93.2 QB Rating to Jalen Hurts 106.5 rating.

Of course Aaron has thrown the ball for 106 more times who knows how many more yards, TDs and to be fair INTs Jalen would have if he threw that many times this season.

 

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

wtf