3 minutes ago, bitbased said:

After the offense only scoring 3 points and losing to the Patriots 10-3, he was asked if he felt like he let his defense down and his only response was "No." He would've been ran out of town here.

He was 9/22 with 77 yards. Also, he's just sucked and been dragging down the team overall in general. They should go back to Flacco.

 

They are better off playing Mike White. Not even sure what the point of them bringing Flacco back was unless they wanted him to mentor Wilson.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They are better off playing Mike White. Not even sure what the point of them bringing Flacco back was unless they wanted him to mentor Wilson.

For people that don't want to pay Hurts after this season we could offer a trade of 2023 + 2024 1st's and Wilson for Hurts 🤡

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

In my heart, and in my mind he's not out guy but my eyes keep telling me differently

How can you think this way after this season? He's played great

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Wilson has a defensive minded head coach, with a defensive minded general manager while his OC only got the job because of his last name.

Not making excuses for what Wilson said, or how he handed that question, but just a terrible spot for a young QB to be. 

 

Right, but who is the QB coach/O-coordinator?

Just now, Mike030270 said:

How can you think this way after this season? He's played great

For the majority of the colts game he was hot garbage, until the last drive where seemed he just said eff it I'll do it myself.

Even though hurts has been good seems his inability to push the ball down field limits the offense.

Having said that he's been a gamer this year and as a leader has pushed all the right buttons.

If hurts gets owned in the playoffs again nobody is going to be jumping to re sign him.

Shiny regular season records are nice but playoff wins are where qbs make their money and reputation.

We'll see if he can rise up with huge division games against cowboys and giants late in the season...

 

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Wilson has a defensive minded head coach, with a defensive minded general manager while his OC only got the job because of his last name.

Not making excuses for what Wilson said, or how he handed that question, but just a terrible spot for a young QB to be. 

 

Yup it's a stupid gotcha question by a media member, no matter how Wilson answers the media is going to bury him.

He says yeah it's my fault I played really bad, the media will spin it as Wilson doesn't believe in himself Wilson says he sucks...blah blah blah.

Doesn't help when booger goes on national TV and calls him an entitled rich kid not that he's not... But if Wilson came from a rich black family would booger say the same???

Just a lot of stupid stuff from the media about Zac Wilson and I guess being in New York everything is magnified 100×.

The day the jets drafted him I thought this won't end well, rich baby faced white kid from Utah to New York blue collared fan base...

I think he might have fared better on a different team maybe mid or out west...

We'll see if he's lost the locker room tough to come back from.

 

 

10 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Disagree with this. Too many dumb HC's and bad GM's in this league to say that. 

 

Let me rephrase- fans aren't going to be jumping for Howie to sign hurts to a huge extension.

Just as there are too many dumb hcs and gms  sadly there might be more fans in the same boat....

18 minutes ago, Utebird said:

For the majority of the colts game he was hot garbage, until the last drive where seemed he just said eff it I'll do it myself.

Even though hurts has been good seems his inability to push the ball down field limits the offense.

Having said that he's been a gamer this year and as a leader has pushed all the right buttons.

If hurts gets owned in the playoffs again nobody is going to be jumping to re sign him.

Shiny regular season records are nice but playoff wins are where qbs make their money and reputation.

We'll see if he can rise up with huge division games against cowboys and giants late in the season...

 

Hot garbage? How was he hot garbage? Drives were stalling due to issues completely unrelated to Hurts. 

 

 

22 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I Truly dont know. and I'm being honest. I love what he's doing. I've defended him. he hasnt screwed up. I think he's playing well. but my mind and heart tell me that what I Saw last year, and even in college makes me not trust what I'm seeing rightmeow

 

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup it's a stupid gotcha question by a media member, no matter how Wilson answers the media is going to bury him.

He says yeah it's my fault I played really bad, the media will spin it as Wilson doesn't believe in himself Wilson says he sucks...blah blah blah.

Doesn't help when booger goes on national TV and calls him an entitled rich kid not that he's not... But if Wilson came from a rich black family would booger say the same???

Just a lot of stupid stuff from the media about Zac Wilson and I guess being in New York everything is magnified 100×.

The day the jets drafted him I thought this won't end well, rich baby faced white kid from Utah to New York blue collared fan base...

I think he might have fared better on a different team maybe mid or out west...

We'll see if he's lost the locker room tough to come back from.

 

 

New York is considered a blue collar fan base? 

3 hours ago, NCTANK said:

can’t answer that one brother. we’ll be driving up from NC on Saturday. we always get a room and drive to the stadium to tailgate. hope the rain moves out.

Don't park at the stadium. Expensive and a PITA. Take Septa. Drops you off right at the complex. Super easy. Return fare is usually free after a game.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There is a parking garage under Macy's.  Entrance is at 13th and Chestnut.  

@Uscg-green

The closest Orange line Septa station is at City Hall or Walnut-Locust (on Broad St.).    If you find your way over to Market St. and towards the Gallery and Chinatown, you can jump on the Market-Frankfurt line at 11th or 8th... and take that to 15th (MFL) and then there used to be a free transfer from the MFL (Blue line) to the BSL (Orange line).   

If possible, you'd want the Eagles Express from City Hall to NRG Station.  And from there its a bit of a walk to the Linc... used to be much shorter to the Vet and Spectrum.   I don't see them extending that line over to closer to the actual stadiums now, so get used to that walk.     Good news is you'll get to walk through a bunch of tailgates as you go.

13 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Hot garbage? How was he hot garbage? Drives were stalling due to issues completely unrelated to Hurts. 

 

 

Like what?

Him missing practically every RPO read?

Seemed every time he gave he should have kept and every time he kept he should given it up, give the colts credit for staying assignment sound but the eagles run a really high amount of RPOs and if teams are shutting those down or hurts isn't making the correct reads we'll get what we saw a really ugly offense 

Sure the coaches deserve some of the blame for their crap game plan and missing goedert hurts but hurts needs to make better reads 

The last drive seems he just said eff it and turned it into a sand lot, which was fun and got it done but that kind of ball isn't sustainable.

To win in the playoffs qbs need to win from the pocket not with their feet.

Couple weeks ago against the Texans who play heavy cover 2 I was impressed with hurts ability to stay tough in the pocket and deliver the ball in the face of pressure.

This last game seems hurts was indecisive on almost everything.

Like I said other than the last drive majority of game he played pretty poorly, it's not all on him but as the QB it's all on him...

32 minutes ago, Eagle1ne said:

Right, but who is the QB coach/O-coordinator?

This guy whose face just screams "Zach Wilson is my QB"

9 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

New York is considered a blue collar fan base? 

More so than Utah county where he's from, or say Denver or SF or Vegas or Seattle...

 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Like what?

Him missing practically every RPO read?

Seemed every time he gave he should have kept and every time he kept he should given it up, give the colts credit for staying assignment sound but the eagles run a really high amount of RPOs and if teams are shitting those down or hurts isn't making the correct reads we'll get what we saw a really ugly offense 

Sure the coaches deserve some of the blame for their crap game plan and missing goedert hurts but hurts needs to make better reads 

The last drive seems he just said eff it and turned it into a sand lot, which was fun and got it done but that kind of ball isn't sustainable.

To win in the playoffs qbs need to win from the pocket not with their feet.

Couple weeks ago against the Texans who play heavy cover 2 I was impressed with hurts ability to stay tough in the pocket and deliver the ball in the face of pressure.

This last game seems hurts was indecisive on almost everything.

Like I said other than the last drive majority of game he played pretty poorly, it's not all on him but as the QB it's all on him...

Do you have NFL+? The Alt-22 and condensed game replays are really helpful to take a look at the game after the emotions burn off (not implying that is the case for you, it's a personal observation). The Eagles played much better than the score indicated, however, penalties, missed blocking assignments and turnovers scrapped too many drives. Hurts played well throughout the game, IMO. He passed the ball well and I would credit other teams D coordinators for better scheming to defend the RPO as a big part of its recent ineffectiveness. I don't see anything like what you are describing wrt to Hurts. He did have to scramble at times because of pocket pressure but it didn't look frenetic. I've watched the replay 4 times now and it shows mistakes at many positions beyond the QB. The other benefit of NFL+ is that you get to watch many other games in the condensed version. I find it to be a good context of comparison for QB play. In this light, Hurts continues to play very well.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

We expect effort above all else from our players, especially our super stars.  We don't take kindly to 'ugly wins'.   And we expect that when we are the better team, that we will prevail.

The Eagles looked completely lost and disinterested against the Colts for large stretches of that game.   They made some boneheaded plays, and frankly, even the last TD actually appeared to be a case of the Colts' D allowing them an easy score to preserve clock and try to get a FG to win it while there was still time and they had one timeout left.   (I'm not saying that they did... but the entire defense parted like the Red Sea for Hurts.)   Fortunately for the Eagles, the Colts' O stinks and they aren't good enough to pass the ball so easily... and the running game was basically off the table.

I think the TD was good play design.  It opened up in part because the DT expected the play to go where it was designed to go on the right side.  The LBs, however, were pulled towards the receivers and it made for an easy down block for Seumalo. It was a good play by Hurts and a good design. The Colts did shoot themselves in the foot with the DPI.  I think the Eagles just beat them the rest of the drive.  

I don't see this as a lack of effort by the Eagles offense.  There was undisciplined play and very questionable play calling and personnel usage.  The sack fumble to start the half is inexplicable play design.  It's also like the coaching staff's hubris took over.  Sanders didn't lose to Ngakoue for a lack of effort. He lost because he's smaller and Ngakoue is an above average DE.  Barnett would have made a strip sack on the play too.  The play design just begs the question of who thought this was a good idea.  If the play is a roll out max protect, bring a TE or (even better) an O-lineman across the formation to make the block. If they had blocked him, Hurts could have made the throw.  For those of you who think Hurts should have gotten rid of it sooner, I agree he needs to work on that part of his game.  Also, what coach doesn't realize that this play doesn't play to Hurts's strengths.  Steichen and Sirianni, IMO, went into the game with some idea that they should try new concepts to catch the Colts off guard.  They strayed from what works for this team.  They let the hubris from past success bleed into their philosophy.  

I don't think the offensive players should be off the hook. I don't think they had an effort issue.  It was really a matter of poor exectution.  I also am disappointed in the fumbe by Brown.  

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This guy whose face just screams "Zach Wilson is my QB"

😆

Curious if anyone can find the stats for Hurts on 3rd/4th and 8+. How many times does he actually throw the ball vs attempt to run for a first...which only goes for 5 yards. Penalties for sure helped at stalling drives, but Hurts put the stamp down on a few of those drives and killed them for good. You can clearly see his limitations as a QB depending on the situation. 3rd and 10 and redzone passing is not his friend. Its pretty glaring how conservative the coaching staff is once they get into the redzone, which isnt a total knock on them since we are good at running in the redzone...so they should lean more heavy on the run, but when you choose to run Boston Scott 3 times in a row over anything else it looks a little sketch. Speaking of which the clock management in the final minutes was down right abysmal and laughable.

2 things I want to say:

Taking this team 1 week at a time as best I can so I try not to come to any harsh judgements. I still believe if we are in position anything can happen.................with that said.........if we were fans of any other team and not the homers most of us are, we would be saying Eagles have a good chance to be 1 and done in the playoffs. Based off how we have been playing and not based off our record.

Second...about Hurts. As of right now I dont believe we should be thinking about a contract extension this offseason and we should let him play out his contract. Anything could happen of course and he could win the superbowl and all of that changes, but as of right now, no.

 

3 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

Do you have NFL+? The Alt-22 and condensed game replays are really helpful to take a look at the game after the emotions burn off (not implying that is the case for you, it's a personal observation). The Eagles played much better than the score indicated, however, penalties, missed blocking assignments and turnovers scrapped too many drives. Hurts played well throughout the game, IMO. He passed the ball well and I would credit other teams D coordinators for better scheming to defend the RPO as a big part of its recent ineffectiveness. I don't see anything like what you are describing wrt to Hurts. He did have to scramble at times because of pocket pressure but it didn't look frenetic. I've watched the replay 4 times now and it shows mistakes at many positions beyond the QB. The other benefit of NFL+ is that you get to watch many other games in the condensed version. I find it to be a good context of comparison for QB play. In this light, Hurts continues to play very well.

I don't have all 22 nor have I gone back and watched the game yet.

One of those turnovers was on hurts, I don't care if Sanders didn't stonewall the DE hurts needs to hold onto the ball, that's on him.

As for his passing, he was ok, I thought with goedert out eagles would go more 3 and 4 wide but Watkins played his 3rd lowest snaps of the season as eagles went 12 and 13 more than expected, so I think that's more in coaches than hurts but still hurts needs to better in those situations.

Penalties missed blocks ect happen in all games and yet the eagles still score more than 3 points through 3 qtrs.

Like I said it's not all on the QB but as we know it's all on the QB.

He needs to play better if the eagles hope to go anywhere, I'll rephrase and say the offense for 31/2 qtrs played like hot garbage and hurts is part of that.

28 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think the TD was good play design.  It opened up in part because the DT expected the play to go where it was designed to go on the right side.  The LBs, however, were pulled towards the receivers and it made for an easy down block for Seumalo. It was a good play by Hurts and a good design. The Colts did shoot themselves in the foot with the DPI.  I think the Eagles just beat them the rest of the drive.  

I don't see this as a lack of effort by the Eagles offense.  There was undisciplined play and very questionable play calling and personnel usage.  The sack fumble to start the half is inexplicable play design.  It's also like the coaching staff's hubris took over.  Sanders didn't lose to Ngakoue for a lack of effort. He lost because he's smaller and Ngakoue is an above average DE.  Barnett would have made a strip sack on the play too.  The play design just begs the question of who thought this was a good idea.  If the play is a roll out max protect, bring a TE or (even better) an O-lineman across the formation to make the block. If they had blocked him, Hurts could have made the throw.  For those of you who think Hurts should have gotten rid of it sooner, I agree he needs to work on that part of his game.  Also, what coach doesn't realize that this play doesn't play to Hurts's strengths.  Steichen and Sirianni, IMO, went into the game with some idea that they should try new concepts to catch the Colts off guard.  They strayed from what works for this team.  They let the hubris from past success bleed into their philosophy.  

I don't think the offensive players should be off the hook. I don't think they had an effort issue.  It was really a matter of poor exectution.  I also am disappointed in the fumbe by Brown.  

I was referring to effort from the entire team... including the offensive coaches.  

 

But, then again, Hurts himself had some questionable 'effort' moments.  The 4th down play at mid-field, for example.  He gave up on the play and ran out of bounds... in a situation where 'maximum effort' and throwing caution to the wind a bit more would definitely have been the more savvy play.  Why not throw it up for grabs on a 50/50 ball?  Why not throw it and hope for a DPI like they got against Sanders?  Why not just throw the ball out of bounds and save the yardage that he just gave away?   Mental effort is just as important as physical effort on each play.  Can't afford to take a play off mentally like that.

Similarly on the last drive... his effort on the 3rd down play was questionable as well.  Why not toe the LOS and look for a late throw to someone breaking open at the last minute?  Why not run harder out of the pocket from the get go if that wasn't on his mind?   

Why did Bradberry once again look completely unwilling to stick his nose in to help out in run support?

 

There were effort plays that weren't made.  They were a bunch of head scratching decisions as well from the coaching staff.  Personnel usage, play designs, clock management... 

12 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Like what?

Him missing practically every RPO read?

Seemed every time he gave he should have kept and every time he kept he should given it up, give the colts credit for staying assignment sound but the eagles run a really high amount of RPOs and if teams are shutting those down or hurts isn't making the correct reads we'll get what we saw a really ugly offense 

Sure the coaches deserve some of the blame for their crap game plan and missing goedert hurts but hurts needs to make better reads 

The last drive seems he just said eff it and turned it into a sand lot, which was fun and got it done but that kind of ball isn't sustainable.

To win in the playoffs qbs need to win from the pocket not with their feet.

Couple weeks ago against the Texans who play heavy cover 2 I was impressed with hurts ability to stay tough in the pocket and deliver the ball in the face of pressure.

This last game seems hurts was indecisive on almost everything.

Like I said other than the last drive majority of game he played pretty poorly, it's not all on him but as the QB it's all on him...

 

 

Like what? 

First drive killed by a holding penalty after Eagles pick up a first down on 3rd and 2.  3rd and 12 Hurts hits DeVonta but he can't maintain control of the catch as a defender was able to break it up. 

Second drive Hurts picks up 2 yards on a pass to Stoll but penalty on Kelce kicks it back to 1st and 16.  Next play Hurts licks up 3 yards but a penalty in Dickerson sends it back to 1st and 25th.  Next play Hurts completes a 18 yard pass to Brown but it's again called back on an offensive penalty.  So they were then at 1st and 35 at no fault of Hurts.  You aren't going to find offensive success when your offense ends up in 1st and 35.

Next drive Hurts takes then down to the 2 yard line.  2nd and goal from the 2 and Kelce nearly snaps it over Hurts head and it's a miracle that Hurts was even able to recover it but that resulted in a loss of 8 yards and they had to eventually settle for a FG as a result.  

 

Then the opening drive of the 2nd half, Eagles decide to take a shot down the field but leave Miles Sanders alone on their best pass rusher with no help from Mailata and it results in a fumble. 

Next drive the Eagles get down into field goal range but they opt not to go for the FG and instead go for it in 4th and 10 which the play is immediately blown up by interior pressure. 

Next drive the Eagles go with 3 straight Miles Sanders runs for a 3 and out. 

Next drive Hurts takes them down the field for a TD. 

Next drive Hurts takes takes them into Colts territory only for AJ Brown to fumble on a first down catxhm

Next drive Hurts again takes them down the field for a game winning TD. 

1 minute ago, UndyTaker said:

Curious if anyone can find the stats for Hurts on 3rd/4th and 8+. How many times does he actually throw the ball vs attempt to run for a first...which only goes for 5 yards. Penalties for sure helped at stalling drives, but Hurts put the stamp down on a few of those drives and killed them for good. You can clearly see his limitations as a QB depending on the situation. 3rd and 10 and redzone passing is not his friend. Its pretty glaring how conservative the coaching staff is once they get into the redzone, which isnt a total knock on them since we are good at running in the redzone...so they should lean more heavy on the run, but when you choose to run Boston Scott 3 times in a row over anything else it looks a little sketch. Speaking of which the clock management in the final minutes was down right abysmal and laughable.

2 things I want to say:

Taking this team 1 week at a time as best I can so I try not to come to any harsh judgements. I still believe if we are in position anything can happen.................with that said.........if we were fans of any other team and not the homers most of us are, we would be saying Eagles have a good chance to be 1 and done in the playoffs. Based off how we have been playing and not based off our record.

Second...about Hurts. As of right now I dont believe we should be thinking about a contract extension this offseason and we should let him play out his contract. Anything could happen of course and he could win the superbowl and all of that changes, but as of right now, no.

 

Yup eagles are trending in the wrong direction at the wrong time of the year.

Where as you look at Dallas and they are rounding into form and playing really well.

The remaining division games will show what this team is made of.

Hopefully they rise to the challenge.

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Like what? 

First drive killed by a holding penalty after Eagles pick up a first down on 3rd and 2.  3rd and 12 Hurts hits DeVonta but he can't maintain control of the catch as a defender was able to break it up. 

Second drive Hurts picks up 2 yards on a pass to Stoll but penalty on Kelce kicks it back to 1st and 16.  Next play Hurts licks up 3 yards but a penalty in Dickerson sends it back to 1st and 25th.  Next play Hurts completes a 18 yard pass to Brown but it's again called back on an offensive penalty.  So they were then at 1st and 35 at no fault of Hurts.  You aren't going to find offensive success when your offense ends up in 1st and 35.

Next drive Hurts takes then down to the 2 yard line.  2nd and goal from the 2 and Kelce nearly snaps it over Hurts head and it's a miracle that Hurts was even able to recover it but that resulted in a loss of 8 yards and they had to eventually settle for a FG as a result.  

 

Then the opening drive of the 2nd half, Eagles decide to take a shot down the field but leave Miles Sanders alone on their best pass rusher with no help from Mailata and it results in a fumble. 

Next drive the Eagles get down into field goal range but they opt not to go for the FG and instead go for it in 4th and 10 which the play is immediately blown up by interior pressure. 

Next drive the Eagles go with 3 straight Miles Sanders runs for a 3 and out. 

Next drive Hurts takes them down the field for a TD. 

Next drive Hurts takes takes them into Colts territory only for AJ Brown to fumble on a first down catxhm

Next drive Hurts again takes them down the field for a game winning TD. 

Hmmm good points.

I concede hurts may have played better than I initially thought.

Having said that I still think he needs to be better and maybe a lot of that is on the coaches and them putting him in better position to succeed because the play calling and design and personnel  usage  at times against the colts was horrendous.

Always thought Jets should have gone Fields with their pick. They probably should just hire me as their GM