36 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Japan playing Germany tough. Battle of the Axis Powers 

What a wild ending. Both teams struggled to capitalize on their chances, but Japan is just a dangerous scrappy team that you should never take lightly. 

3 minutes ago, bbabraham said:

Huge upset! Along with Saudi Arabia beating Argentina.

It’s been a fun tournament. Still like it better in the summer but great nonetheless. Best sporting event in the world by far. 

8 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Define rich.  When Foles was growing up, his Dad was pouring what he made back into his restaurants.  He was working to build successful culinary chains.  The school and neighborhood Nick grew up in was upper middle class.  Nick attend Westlake (another NFL QB went there and an NFL backup QB, incidentally teamed with Nick, went there).  Larry Foles really didn’t come into real significant riches until Nick was an adult).  So Nick learned good work ethic and drive from his family.  His mom was a real athlete.  

Really not sure what religion has to do with it.  Most people grow up with some religious influence in their lives (even secularists, agnostics and atheists get some religious influence, albeit maybe from a different perspective because a lot of religion isn’t about who or how you worship but rather how you interact with your fellow humans).  Nick learned how to interact with his teammates:early on by examples from his own family.  (He openly talked about his mom could beat him at everything.  Probably helped him retain his humble approach.)

Nothing about Wilson suggests great people skills.  The best leaders are humble and lead by putting their shoulder to the wheel.  Nick understands that but one gets the impression that like Larry, that’s just the way he rolls (bad pun but I couldn’t resist).  Interestingly, that seems to be how Hurts rolls too.  Suspect he didn’t get to be QB at Channelview because his Dad gave him the job.  He probably had to earn it more than those competing for the position.  

In fairness he does have people skills if we are referring to people’s moms. 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

What a wild ending. Both teams struggled to capitalize on their chances, but Japan is just a dangerous scrappy team that you should never take lightly. 

They just kept coming in the 2nd half. Kamikaze style 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

It’s been a fun tournament. Still like it better in the summer but great nonetheless. Best sporting event in the world by far. 

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

They just kept coming in the 2nd half. Kamikaze style 

That team just doesn't know how to quit. They play every game like it's the last one of their lives.

Japan plays exactly how you would stereotype a japanese team.  Efficient and professional looking and clinical.

Then you've got the US, with more money and resources than God; and we hire a US Soccer toady who has what is by far the most talented pool of Americans Ive seen in my lifetime, and theyre just sprinting around aimlessly like an average MLS side.  But hey thats what US soccer wants, this is all to glorify the MLS not actually win a World Cup.  We'll try to achieve that in 2050 I guess.  Meanwhile we'll try and squeeze by with draws to Wales and Iran.

 

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’ll say this… I’ve worked retail once in my life and the most rude, disrespectful, and entitled individuals were the ones who were clearly uneducated and most likely lived off the government. 

Nobody "lives" off the government. Go check the actual payments you get on welfare or disability (and a lot of disabled would like to work, the disabled and over 50 are the two groups employers consistently discriminate against). Even social security is limited for most working class recipients, trying living on $1,200 a month! Heck, rent would eat up most of that, and how you going to pay for a car? And how you going to get to work in most places without a car? Working from home you need a computer, high speed internet and the requisite skills - which eliminates many of the working poor.

More common is combining government support with under the table work and hustles and family help.

Even in places where the minimum wage is $15 an hour, $30K a year is $2500 a month, minus $200 in SS and Medicare taxes, so $2,300 a month, which is bare bones, after rent, gas, car insurance, before you get to things like food and clothing. Which is why for the working poor, the stay at home mom is a dream, but then you have child care costs, which eat up a bunch of her earnings if she does work.

And of course, a lot of "dead beats" have mental health issues, which is one reason they struggle to hold a job.

The one group that can live that way are kids in their 20s, when you're on your own, have no responsibilities, live with roommates to cut costs (and are never home) and life's a party. But they're rarely eligible for most government assistance programs.

And a lot of non-performers in the work place are simply people who aren't suited to a post-industrial workplace, they'd been fine 50 years ago when you could get a good 40 hour week job with a HS education, now they're either limited to minimum wage jobs or slide through 3rd rate colleges with minimal skills and too much debt, and struggle to function in a white collar world.

23 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

You have literally no idea whats going on in that locker room. I just gave you 2 or 3 prime examples of that same locker room loving him and rallying around. 

"no where to go but up" one defender said

"I could see where it would frusterate our defensive guys but they understand the pressure he's under and they know he wants to win just as bad as everyone else" said another jets player. 

But, RTK says Zach WIlson should retire tomorrow, so I'm sure Wilson's agent is reading this and agrees with you

 

You didn't give any examples.  You're talking about some random completely unrelated offseason story.  Has nothing to that team and Wilson in the locker room for the grind of a season. 

 

What you just posted are actual professional answers that players can give to the media. Further proof how far Wilson is from a professional. 

 

Where did I say Wilson should retire? He's just bad.  The worst QB in the league and clearly someone with a terrible attitude and total lack of leadership ability.  He won't be long for this and it won't be because he chooses retirement but because he is terrible and lacks all professionalism and intangibles that are necessary to succeed at that position. 

 

It's funny how you are bending over backwards to try to defend a clear bust who is the worst QB in the league and yet you say you still don't believe in Hurts. 

19 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Define rich.  When Foles was growing up, his Dad was pouring what he made back into his restaurants.  He was working to build successful culinary chains.  The school and neighborhood Nick grew up in was upper middle class.  Nick attend Westlake (another NFL QB went there and an NFL backup QB, incidentally teamed with Nick, went there).  Larry Foles really didn’t come into real significant riches until Nick was an adult).  So Nick learned good work ethic and drive from his family.  His mom was a real athlete.  

Really not sure what religion has to do with it.  Most people grow up with some religious influence in their lives (even secularists, agnostics and atheists get some religious influence, albeit maybe from a different perspective because a lot of religion isn’t about who or how you worship but rather how you interact with your fellow humans).  Nick learned how to interact with his teammates:early on by examples from his own family.  (He openly talked about his mom could beat him at everything.  Probably helped him retain his humble approach.)

Nothing about Wilson suggests great people skills.  The best leaders are humble and lead by putting their shoulder to the wheel.  Nick understands that but one gets the impression that like Larry, that’s just the way he rolls (bad pun but I couldn’t resist).  Interestingly, that seems to be how Hurts rolls too.  Suspect he didn’t get to be QB at Channelview because his Dad gave him the job.  He probably had to earn it more than those competing for the position.  

Well, Westlake is pretty affluent, some real nice houses, and one reason it incorporated was to keep the riff raff from Austin out.

Though Westlake is a HS football power, so they have to recruit the children of the hoi polloi. Someone has to block and catch passes for those rich kid QBs.

Fundamentalist Christians are a different breed, I know that from personal experience, the problem is many acting out of sincere conviction, believe they have to save us heathens (not by accident there's a great Austin band called "Band of Heathens"), which can become a tad bit irritating. Takes time out in the real world for them to learn that interacting with other people means at least pretending to respect their beliefs.

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You didn't give any examples.  You're talking about some random completely unrelated offseason story.  Has nothing to that team and Wilson in the locker room for the grind of a season. 

 

What you just posted are actual professional answers that players can give to the media. Further proof how far Wilson is from a professional. 

 

Where did I say Wilson should retire? He's just bad.  The worst QB in the league and clearly someone with a terrible attitude and total lack of leadership ability.  He won't be long for this and it won't be because he chooses retirement but because he is terrible and lacks all professionalism and intangibles that are necessary to succeed at that position. 

 

It's funny how you are bending over backwards to try to defend a clear bust who is the worst QB in the league and yet you say you still don't believe in Hurts. 

You whined relentlessly that Hurts deserved enough time to develop.

Yet declare Wilson a finished product when he’s still a rookie (according to Hurts development timeline).

Your hypocrisy is showing

20 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

 

Love triggering the blowhards. Usually the type that rode the bench for their HS football team. 

14 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Nobody "lives" off the government. Go check the actual payments you get on welfare or disability (and a lot of disabled would like to work, the disabled and over 50 are the two groups employers consistently discriminate against). Even social security is limited for most working class recipients, trying living on $1,200 a month! Heck, rent would eat up most of that, and how you going to pay for a car? And how you going to get to work in most places without a car? Working from home you need a computer, high speed internet and the requisite skills - which eliminates many of the working poor.

More common is combining government support with under the table work and hustles and family help.

Even in places where the minimum wage is $15 an hour, $30K a year is $2500 a month, minus $200 in SS and Medicare taxes, so $2,300 a month, which is bare bones, after rent, gas, car insurance, before you get to things like food and clothing. Which is why for the working poor, the stay at home mom is a dream, but then you have child care costs, which eat up a bunch of her earnings if she does work.

And of course, a lot of "dead beats" have mental health issues, which is one reason they struggle to hold a job.

The one group that can live that way are kids in their 20s, when you're on your own, have no responsibilities, live with roommates to cut costs (and are never home) and life's a party. But they're rarely eligible for most government assistance programs.

And a lot of non-performers in the work place are simply people who aren't suited to a post-industrial workplace, they'd been fine 50 years ago when you could get a good 40 hour week job with a HS education, now they're either limited to minimum wage jobs or slide through 3rd rate colleges with minimal skills and too much debt, and struggle to function in a white collar world.

Yeah not a chance I’m reading that 

33 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Define rich.  When Foles was growing up, his Dad was pouring what he made back into his restaurants.  He was working to build successful culinary chains.  The school and neighborhood Nick grew up in was upper middle class.  Nick attend Westlake (another NFL QB went there and an NFL backup QB, incidentally teamed with Nick, went there).  Larry Foles really didn’t come into real significant riches until Nick was an adult).  So Nick learned good work ethic and drive from his family.  His mom was a real athlete.  

Really not sure what religion has to do with it.  Most people grow up with some religious influence in their lives (even secularists, agnostics and atheists get some religious influence, albeit maybe from a different perspective because a lot of religion isn’t about who or how you worship but rather how you interact with your fellow humans).  Nick learned how to interact with his teammates:early on by examples from his own family.  (He openly talked about his mom could beat him at everything.  Probably helped him retain his humble approach.)

Nothing about Wilson suggests great people skills.  The best leaders are humble and lead by putting their shoulder to the wheel.  Nick understands that but one gets the impression that like Larry, that’s just the way he rolls (bad pun but I couldn’t resist).  Interestingly, that seems to be how Hurts rolls too.  Suspect he didn’t get to be QB at Channelview because his Dad gave him the job.  He probably had to earn it more than those competing for the position.  

This probably isn't the appropriate place to discuss it so I'll try to make it as  brief as possie but to answer your question what does religion have to do with it?

A lot actually

There is underlying sometimes overt belief in Christian religions throughout history where christians believe they are special, or favored by God, and better than non Christians or gentiles...

Having grown up and raised in the mormon religion been around it my whole life I can tell you that  that underlying culture exists in Mormon culture, especially in more affluent areas where those subscribe to the thought of meritocracy that monetary success is due to righteousness so ergo those that are poor must not be as righteous...which of course is all Man made up BS and so far from what Christ actually taught but I digress...

That train of thought can  breed arrogance and entitlement.

I grew up in a really rich area of Salt Lake city, my family was not rich, I'm very familiar with the area Wilson grew up and I can tell you without a doubt the majority of rich mormons that live there whole heartedly believe the reason they are so successful and rich is because they are so righteous. I know this because on Sunday in church they get up and say it in testimony.

I don't have any inside knowledge about Wilson's family but I know what the culture is like because I grew up in it my whole life.

Having said that all I know about Wilson is what I see on media, for all I know he could be a down to earth humble kid who is just having a tough time In NY🤷‍♂️

 

 

 

57 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I worked retail  more than once in my life and I  found the opposite to be true.

The worst customers are always the ladies wearing sunglasses ,bleached hair, carrying a 50 gallon purse with a toy dog in it, designer jeans that are 3 sizes two small sipping   a triple Carmel mocha frappe latte espresso between shrieks about the manager.

You know...Karen.

I worked in retail for a decade and was a claims professional for four, so I interacted with customers at all levels my whole life.  You really can’t characterize folks into categories.  Doing so, you adopt a bias and that impacts your own interaction with the person.  

Look at the team, for example.  Over 100 different people all with their own uniqueness and their own interaction skills.  Those interaction skills matter.  Being talented on the field isn’t enough.  But the interaction skills of teammates matter differently depending on the approach with the other teammates.  Some loved Wentz but it is interesting that he seems as polarizing as TO.  Recall that TO split the locker room.  Part of that may have been some teammates were tired of McNabb’s clown act. But I think it’s Wentz’s ability to accept criticism and take coaching wears thin with the coaches.  Not sure I wouldn’t rather have Wilson’s "No” to Wentz’s "I must do better” and then never changing.  

 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Yeah not a chance I’m reading that 

Things are expensive and 1 out of 6 of us isn’t very smart… which in the modern work environment isn’t a very forgiving combo (no factory jobs, the military requires a decent amount of proficiency, etc.).

13 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

I think you have to have a chip and be cocky, but if you knew where he comes from you'd understand a bit more about the entitled/spoiled/**** part. 

Like you understand? Plenty of poor kids that flame out at qb too

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  Judging by the group is always a failing proposition.  Anyone can be the best or worst amongst us.  AND... some of the best amongst us can have their tough moments too and come off as total jerks.

Except cowboy fans 

4 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Things are expensive and 1 out of 6 of us isn’t very smart… which in the modern work environment isn’t a very forgiving combo (no factory jobs, the military requires a decent amount of proficiency, etc.).

WAY higher than 1/6

Im oddly confident going into Sunday night.

Trying to be objective I think the Eagles are a bad bad matchup for GB.  

Forgetting objectivity and being subjective, I want to smash Rodgers' little smirk off his face and I think we can do that

 

For the love of God just K.I.S.S., run the ball, score points, and move onto the next week.  GB has an average defense, one WR, and Rodgers. 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

I worked in retail for a decade and was a claims professional for four, so I interacted with customers at all levels my whole life.  You really can’t characterize folks into categories.  Doing so, you adopt a bias and that impacts your own interaction with the person.  

Look at the team, for example.  Over 100 different people all with their own uniqueness and their own interaction skills.  Those interaction skills matter.  Being talented on the field isn’t enough.  But the interaction skills of teammates matter differently depending on the approach with the other teammates.  Some loved Wentz but it is interesting that he seems as polarizing as TO.  Recall that TO split the locker room.  Part of that may have been some teammates were tired of McNabb’s clown act. But I think it’s Wentz’s ability to accept criticism and take coaching wears thin with the coaches.  Not sure I wouldn’t rather have Wilson’s "No” to Wentz’s "I must do better” and then never changing.  

 

Yup.

I think way too much is made of a QB answering a question from the media in the moment.

It's not like Wilson called a PC got up and said I'm not to blame for the jets loss, any questions.

Media member asked a stupid question he knew would was a gotcha question, Wilson foolishly took the bait and simply said no.

No comment would have been ok, I'm just here so I don't get fined would have worked, we could do better blah blah blah.

Even simply saying" no" isn't the worse thing he could say but the media ran with it and now he's the villain, fairly or not.

NFL players are weird, Wilson is rumored to have slept with his mom's best friend and his team and the media heads want to erect a statue of him, dude says "no "at an after game PC and his own teammates want to throw him in the Delaware.🤷‍♂️

 

 

54 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

WAY higher than 1/6

Well, 5 out of 6 of us aren’t VERY smart - but if you have an IQ of less than 85 you’re likely going to struggle.

40 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You whined relentlessly that Hurts deserved enough time to develop.

Yet declare Wilson a finished product when he’s still a rookie (according to Hurts development timeline).

Your hypocrisy is showing

Pretty good point

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Jets are a mess

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Jets are a mess

from the department of redundancy department

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I like how they put that comment in there about his 5-2 record like he's the reason why and not because of their run game and defense.

 

12 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Well, 5 out of 6 of us aren’t VERY smart - but if you have an IQ of >85 you’re likely going to struggle.

Man, I am still struggling with the greater than less than symbols.  Hate them.  Someone give me a mnemonic for it.