4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Why is it OK to criticize some players, but not Hurts? Why is he above any criticism at all?

It's funny because the QB position is the most heavily scrutinized in the sport. Chiefs fans last year were questioning Mahomes' contract at one point during his bad stretch.

Hurts has exceeded my expectations this season as a QB.  He has been efficient, proficient -- if not prolific.  Obviously, an NFL QB has to be graded on a curve taking into account the weapons he has around him and the roster as a whole.  

Passing yards -- 15th.  Have to take into account the team has barely been behind this season to necessitate throwing constantly and building yardage

Completion % -- 10th.  Again, the WR weapons help this number

Passing TDs -- tied for 9th.  Tied with Cousins, Goff, Lamar Jackson

 

I always felt the Eagles were 9-8 last season with Hurts; not because of him, and not in spite of him.  The national media is overboard on how much credit they give Hurts for the team's overall success, but that's true of most starting QBs.  The question that begs answering is -- are the Eagles 10-1 this season because of Hurts, or with Hurts?  Would they be 10-1 with other QBs such as Burrow, Tua, Herbert?  IMO, probably.  But that still puts Hurts into a tier above where he was last season.  I'm not sure we could argue the Eagles would be 10-1 with Jimmy G, Carr, or Cousins, for example.

The playoffs will tell a lot.  When teams have to beat you, they will shut down what they have to -- and that means defenses will shut off Hurts' running lanes and force him to win or lose with his arm.  Home field would help a lot; it will be interesting to see how the Eagles finish the season.  

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Hurts has exceeded my expectations this season as a QB.  He has been efficient, proficient -- if not prolific.  Obviously, an NFL QB has to be graded on a curve taking into account the weapons he has around him and the roster as a whole.  

Passing yards -- 15th.  Have to take into account the team has barely been behind this season to necessitate throwing constantly and building yardage

Completion % -- 10th.  Again, the WR weapons help this number

Passing TDs -- tied for 9th.  Tied with Cousins, Goff, Lamar Jackson

 

I always felt the Eagles were 9-8 last season with Hurts; not because of him, and not in spite of him.  The national media is overboard on how much credit they give Hurts for the team's overall success, but that's true of most starting QBs.  The question that begs answering is -- are the Eagles 10-1 this season because of Hurts, or with Hurts?  Would they be 10-1 with other QBs such as Burrow, Tua, Herbert?  IMO, probably.  But that still puts Hurts into a tier above where he was last season.  I'm not sure we could argue the Eagles would be 10-1 with Jimmy G, Carr, or Cousins, for example.

The playoffs will tell a lot.  When teams have to beat you, they will shut down what they have to -- and that means defenses will shut off Hurts' running lanes and force him to win or lose with his arm.  Home field would help a lot; it will be interesting to see how the Eagles finish the season.  

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10 minutes ago, greend said:

To me Hurts is still showing promise but he has reverted to the old Hurts somewhat. We'll see how he does when he goes up against a few more winning teams. Seems like the tougher the competition the more he wants to use his legs, and of course D.G. being out doesn't help. 

Oh and I see you all let the trolls run wild in here now. 

good to see you on here again 

1 minute ago, greend said:

To me Hurts is still showing promise but he has reverted to the old Hurts somewhat. We'll see how he does when he goes up against a few more winning teams. Seems like the tougher the competition the more he wants to use his legs, and of course D.G. being out doesn't help. 

Yup - Sunday wasn't a great day for pocket presence, rather than stepping up there were a lot of early exits.  I don't think there was overwhelming pressure from the left side, but it got Swag on the move (even saw a circle).  As the game progressed, he settled in bit and the run game did it's thing.  GB played a bit more man coverage than I expected, which is an invitation for any rQB - so a bunch of the runs were warranted/probably schemed. 

1 hour ago, Ipiggles said:

Gannon's soft defense is his MO. His defense is predicated on keeping everything in front of you, and hoping the other team makes enough mistakes to stop themselves. They only tighten up when the field gets shorter in the Redzone. Though I'm sure if it was allowed Gannon would be covering the Stands with his DB's in the Redzone. 

Couple that with good STs coverage and no turnovers and that pretty much describes JJ with Harbaugh and AR.  Nick, Shane and the offensive players are doing a pretty good job in the AR mold but Clay sucks at the Harbaugh role.  Do wish Gannon would take a page from JJ’s blitzes (varied, mixed up, with run blitzes).

Thank god we got Auden Tate back. 

1 hour ago, hputenis said:

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!, please remove Leanmean from the racist bracket.  

 

21 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

White guy = box safety

Wrong

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Thank god we got Auden Tate back. 

I can’t believe how obsessed you are with the 2015 Rams

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Couple that with good STs coverage and no turnovers and that pretty much describes JJ with Harbaugh and AR.  Nick, Shane and the offensive players are doing a pretty good job in the AR mold but Clay sucks at the Harbaugh role.  Do wish Gannon would take a page from JJ’s blitzes (varied, mixed up, with run blitzes).

Once we got a little breathing space against the GB run game (i.e., got them into passing situations), I think Gannon started mixing in some games - guys like Fletch who have had a hard hard time getting off their 1v1 blocks benefitted from that.

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

I'd say Watson the guy who was accused of sexually assaulting 26 women is the slimeball but yeah sure...

Well deserved!

You know both can be slime balls right?

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The question that begs answering is -- are the Eagles 10-1 this season because of Hurts, or with Hurts?  Would they be 10-1 with other QBs such as Burrow, Tua, Herbert?  IMO, probably.  But that still puts Hurts into a tier above where he was last season.  I'm not sure we could argue the Eagles would be 10-1 with Jimmy G, Carr, or Cousins, for example.

One important point is that three players - Goedert, Sanders and Brown - are having career years. One could say that Hurts has been helped by the talent around him, but the fact that all three of those players are exceeding their career averages provides a lot of evidence that he is the one making them better, and not the other way around. 

17 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Bradley is always someone you see running around on special teams but you rarely see him actually make a play. Not a fan. 

Now a guy like Kamu Grugier-Hill on the other hand...that dude was always catching the eye on special teams.

I watched some of the all-22 last night.  My conclusion is that there's not a lot of tackling and getting off of blocks going on with the kickoff team.  

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Wrong

You can't use the last game to criticize Hurts for scrambling.  If you're being given the ungodly amount of space that Green Bay was giving him, you take that all day and you don't think twice.  

He went off for 157 yards    It would have been a crime for him NOT to take that.

For whatever he might still be lacking, Hurts is a million miles ahead of where he was last year.  Everyone said at the start this was going to go as far as he took it...the roster is stacked/he's got AJ and Devonta/best offensive line/vastly improved defense/he has no excuses/etc....and we're 10-1 and winning games in a bunch of different ways. 

 

2 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

You can't use the last game to criticize Hurts for scrambling.  If you're being given the ungodly amount of space that Green Bay was giving him, you take that all day and you don't think twice.  

He went off for 157 yards    It would have been a crime for him NOT to take that.

For whatever he might still be lacking, Hurts is a million miles ahead of where he was last year.  Everyone said at the start this was going to go as far as he took it...the roster is stacked/he's got AJ and Devonta/best offensive line/vastly improved defense/he has no excuses/etc....and we're 10-1 and winning games in a bunch of different ways. 

 

Nobody is criticizing his running

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

Nobody is criticizing his running

He didn't say you were, he said you can't use the last game as a knock on the fact that he tucked it and ran as often as he did, considering what GB gave him.  

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I watched some of the all-22 last night.  My conclusion is that there's not a lot of tackling and getting off of blocks going on with the kickoff team.  

Adam Kaplan made a couple good points on Eagles special teams. They are the youngest in the league and don't put any starters on them like some teams.

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Nobody is criticizing his running

 

1 minute ago, mikemack8 said:

He didn't say you were, he said you can't use the last game as a knock on the fact that he tucked it and ran as often as he did, considering what GB gave him.  

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3 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

He didn't say you were, he said you can't use the last game as a knock on the fact that he tucked it and ran as often as he did, considering what GB gave him.  

Why would he say that unless he thought somebody was criticizing it? 

13 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

One important point is that three players - Goedert, Sanders and Brown - are having career years. One could say that Hurts has been helped by the talent around him, but the fact that all three of those players are exceeding their career averages provides a lot of evidence that he is the one making them better, and not the other way around. 

Why can’t it be both? 

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Why can’t it be both? 

Because he bought 3 different Hurts jerseys

Hurts helps the run game and all that, but to say he's the reason for Sanders success is too much of a discredit to Sanders. He hasn't come close to fumbling, he's running through arm tackles and he's generally making the right decisions. He still has a mishap here and there but he's improved a lot of his game on his own. 

It would be awesome if Buzby has the Watson girls show up to the suite in their masseuse uniforms with "stains” on them. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hurts helps the run game and all that, but to say he's the reason for Sanders success is too much of a discredit to Sanders. He hasn't come close to fumbling, he's running through arm tackles and he's generally making the right decisions. He still has a mishap here and there but he's improved a lot of his game on his own. 

I’ve been critical of Sanders in the past but he’s been fantastic this year. Still not interested in giving him a 2nd contract