15 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

This guy is a huge drama queen.

Well yeah, nobody ever said any of this ish is rational.

90% of what the world reacts to these days isn’t necessarily rational.

But it is out there and being talked about.

Who knows what effect, if any, it actually has on their team. I’d suspect not much, but you can’t simply rule it out either. People love being offended.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Giselle or Brady should post a funny meme about it on IG

Dam did he beat Giselle? 🤯

53 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

That's like saying he won't get hit on runs if he just goes out of bounds every time.  I would guess that the percentage risk of an injury to a player even a QB is far less.  I can't recall a QB ever getting injured on a sneak.  QBs get injuries all of the time in the pocket.  I would guess that even if you take away sacks Hurts gets hit more in the pocket vs. the number of times he sneaks the ball.  Also defensive players have much more momentum rushing the passer than they do during a sneak, so the force of the impact is much greater.  

Not quite.  The QB Sneak by design is a massively physical play where players dive head long into the heads of other players.  

 

The defensive players rushing the passer have a very limited area they are allowed to hit the QB, and have penalties for dropping their full weight on the QB.    Defensive players have no limitations on how, where or why they hit the QB on a QB sneak.  All protections are basically gone, including head to head contact.   That's not to say that getting a penalty for a head to head contact on the QB changes the injury, but very few defensive players actually want to have the helmet to helmet contact in the pocket where it will be called (Clowney's spearing of Wentz in the playoffs, notwithstanding, which was also not called).  

Peeps are too worried if he is gonna get hurt or how much he's gonna cost, etc. A guy who benches 600 lbs. He's fine. And thus far injuries have not been a problem. QBs get hurt regardless. Nature of the beast. I just want 1 superbowl out of him. He can run for 1000 yards in that game as long as they win. He is such an elite runner and a triple threat, that he could be the one to pull it off if that's how he chooses. But he can beat ya in many ways as he's proven this year. Doing well with post routes and improved passing in the middle of the field. Very very encouraging. I'll be happy to pay him the loot if he plays well in the playoffs. What QB is available that's better, that won't require at least a 2 year rebuild? Thank heavens we didn't listen to the folks in here who pushed for Russell Wilson and DeShawn Watson, which would have Carson Wentzed our draft stash and effed our salary cap for many years. I am thankful for where the heck we are right now. No complaints here.

Yeah Lebron James can pound sand when it comes to lecturing others on issues of morality and ethics.

11 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Well yeah, nobody ever said any of this ish is rational.

90% of what the world reacts to these days isn’t necessarily rational.

But it is out there and being talked about.

Who knows what effect, if any it actually has on their team. I’d suspect not much, but you can’t simply rule it out either. People love being offended.

People weaponize it, which is a societal problem.  Jerry standing up and denouncing racism doesn't do anything to change if he's a racist or not.

Sort of like George Takei still bashing William Shatner 55 years after Star Trek -- cripes, buddy let it go; you were hardly even in the show:

 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  And he’s coached to be that way, where he works.  

Who's his coach?

6 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Peeps are too worried if he is gonna get hurt or how much he's gonna cost, etc. A guy who benches 600 lbs. He's fine. And thus far injuries have not been a problem. QBs get hurt regardless. Nature of the beast. I just want 1 superbowl out of him. He can run for 1000 yards in that game as long as they win. He is such an elite runner and a triple threat, that he could be the one to pull it off if that's how he chooses. But he can beat ya in many ways as he's proven this year. Doing well with post routes and improved passing in the middle of the field. Very very encouraging. I'll be happy to pay him the loot if he plays well in the playoffs. What QB is available that's better, that won't require at least a 2 year rebuild? Thank heavens we didn't listen to the folks in here who pushed for Russell Wilson and DeShawn Watson, which would have Carson Wentzed our draft stash and effed our salary cap for many years. I am thankful for where the heck we are right now. No complaints here.

He missed a game last year with an ankle injury, and wasn't the same in the games he came back for.   QBs do get hurt.  I'd like to limit the hits.  I think we all ultimately want the same thing... a healthy and effective QB.  How we achieve that is how we differ.

25 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Hurts has improved at protecting himself. Sliding and going out of bounds much earlier.  That said, at some point the stupid frigging refs have to call some of the late contact on slides. 

He has.   I want to see more improvement.  He seemed to take a step backwards last game in terms of taking on contact, which is why I haven't mentioned it for a while... other than the constant string of QB sneaks this team calls.    I wonder what it would be like to have a power back that's not also our QB.   Its not like there is any mystery with these QB sneaks.  Every one knows what's coming.  At least with a power back, a play action pass from time to time would force defenses to play more honestly in those short yardage situations.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

I'm comfortable with Jalen Carter and/or Bryan Bresee at DT, but if it isn't one of those two then I believe DT can be more of a 2024 draft need.  I believe Howie can get what he needs for 2023 at DT from the free agency marketplace, just as he has done with Suh and Joseph this season.  With the 2023 Day one and Day Two picks I would rather see a double dip at EDGE/DE rather than DE/DT ... unless the DT is Carter or Bresee.

Agreed

There's Marlon's brother at USC, who has some good inside/outside versatility - but he's a bit undersized vs. the run when asked to hold gaps as a DT... probably think of him more as a BG type DE. 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He missed a game last year with an ankle injury, and wasn't the same in the games he came back for.   QBs do get hurt.  I'd like to limit the hits.  I think we all ultimately want the same thing... a healthy and effective QB.  How we achieve that is how we differ.

McNabb, Cunningham and Vick all went through this and didn't get hurt much and developed their passing skills. Agreed, needs to rush less.  That will take care of itself with Goedert. They have 0 tight ends to fill in. If Ertz was here it would be different. But his running threat is what makes him great and keeps the other team honest. I am not taking that skill away from him. He's figured out a lot already and is a work in a progress. I am appeciating the journey here. I think he will harness the balance of run/pass as he matures. 2nd year starter and 24 years old. 

3 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

McNabb, Cunningham and Vick all went through this and didn't get hurt much and developed their passing skills. Agreed, needs to rush less.  That will take care of itself with Goedert. They have 0 tight ends. If Ertz was here it would be different. But his running threat is what makes him great and keeps the other team honest. I am not taking that skill away from him. He's figured out a lot already and is a work in a progress. I am appeciating the journey here. I think he will harness the balance of run/pass as he matures. 2nd year starter and 24 years old. 

He averaged 10.5 rushes per game with goedert. That works out to 178 rushes on the season, which would be a record number for a QB

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not quite.  The QB Sneak by design is a massively physical play where players dive head long into the heads of other players.  

 

The defensive players rushing the passer have a very limited area they are allowed to hit the QB, and have penalties for dropping their full weight on the QB.    Defensive players have no limitations on how, where or why they hit the QB on a QB sneak.  All protections are basically gone, including head to head contact.   That's not to say that getting a penalty for a head to head contact on the QB changes the injury, but very few defensive players actually want to have the helmet to helmet contact in the pocket where it will be called (Clowney's spearing of Wentz in the playoffs, notwithstanding, which was also not called).  

The difference is that the head to head contact just doesn't have the same force when they are lined up so close.  Players aren't able to generate the speed to create the force.  My guess is that a QB falling to the ground and hitting their head has more force than a hit from a lineman at less than a yard.  

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

He averaged 10.5 rushes per game with goedert. That works out to 178 rushes on the season, which would be a record number for a QB

You and your….facts

12 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

He averaged 10.5 rushes per game with goedert. That works out to 178 rushes on the season, which would be a record number for a QB

A lot of that is fluff as people have mentioned. Hes playing smart football with the ball in his hands is the key. And we are winning right?  Doesnt have to be aesthetic or statistically  appealing. Could care less about all these stats people bring up. They don't always tell the whole story. He is doing what he has to do to win. He doesn't care about stats, just winning. Throws the ball away all the time to live for the next play. That's screws up his stats too. Who cares? He's playing winning football according to what I see. Don't forget there is also 17 games in a season now...

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

The difference is that the head to head contact just doesn't have the same force when they are lined up so close.  Players aren't able to generate the speed to create the force.  My guess is that a QB falling to the ground and hitting their head has more force than a hit from a lineman at less than a yard.  

True.   But, we know he WILL take at least one, if not two, or three or however many other hits on that play every time he does a QB sneak.  That's not the case for a drop back.  He may take that force, but I don't know how many times Hurts has actually been plastered like you are intimating while in the pocket.  I'd love to see the numbers.   Meanwhile, Hurts ran 7 QB sneaks in one game alone this year.  And several of those were NOT even 3rd or 4th down in that game.  That's just far too many for me.  I'd much rather they had a true power back and let them take that punishment, rather than it be on Hurts all the time. 

And ultimately, we are discussing 3rd/4th and 1 or less situations.  So, it's much more about how many times in those specific situations does a QB take a big hit in the pocket?   Almost never.  Most of those plays will be play action passes, waggles or bootlegs, etc. when it is a pass play.  Very little time for the defensive line to get there, especially as they have to be wary of the run.  This isn't about what happens on 3rd and long, where defenses bring extra blitzers and might get a clean shot.

I seem to remember hearing Cam Newton with his size and athleticism "wouldn't get hurt" either. How'd that work out? Typically speaking, QBs that run as much as Hurts do, end up getting hurt/their careers shortened. We have plenty of data to support this.  

Now, he's gone and done a good job improving as a passer. He's better than last season. I give him credit for that. As we're seeing right now, though, the passing is slowly going away over the past few weeks. He's going to need to get back on track.

5 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I seem to remember hearing Cam Newton with his size and athleticism "wouldn't get hurt" either. How'd that work out? Typically speaking, QBs that run as much as Hurts do, end up getting hurt/their careers shortened. We have plenty of data to support this.  

Now, he's gone and done a good job improving as a passer. He's better than last season. I give him credit for that. As we're seeing right now, though, the passing is slowly going away over the past few weeks. He's going to need to get back on track.

Why has it gotten off track? I think we know, one of their top blockers and playmakers is not in the lineup. And there are 0 backups. Thus, Hurts is easier to defend now and he has to run around more with the pass rush and worsened blocking and no security blanket underneath. I think it's really that simple. Sirianni wants the ball in his hands as much as possible right now to make up for the deficit. Why? Because he's a playmaker!

 

Just now, jojodancer said:

Why has it gotten off track? I think we know, one of their top blockers and playmakers is not in the lineup. And there are 0 backups. Thus Hurts is easier to defend now and he has to run around more with the pass rush and worsened blocking and no security blanket underneath. I think it's really that simple. Sirianni wants the ball in his hands as much as possible right now to make up for the deficit. Why? Because he's a playmaker!

He has his entire offensive line in good standing and three good WRs. Goedert being out doesn't suddenly prevent him from staying in the pocket.

5 minutes ago, Swoop said:

He has his entire offensive line in good standing and three good WRs. Goedert being out doesn't suddenly prevent him from staying in the pocket.

It's an adjustment period not having your Travis Kelce in your lineup. I think he will figure it out. Line isn't  playing that great in pass protection with left side of line particularly. And AJ Brown has scuffled. That hasn't helped either.

I know you bring up Newton. Sign me up for prime Hurts til 30 right now. That's his next  to next contract. Not worried.

I'm looking forward to the third and short quarterback sneak in a critical moment where Hurts fakes it and then drops back to throw a pass.

We know it's coming. It might not work but they're gonna try it. Guaranteed.

 

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

I hate defending Jerrah, but Toronto is right. This is a nothing story to the players. You really think they care what happened 60 years ago? Nah.

Michael Irvin Summed it up perfectly and said (paraphrasing) I've known Jerry a long time, he aint racist. I've seen him interact with african americans for a long time, he aint racist. Irvin also said, I grew up in the ghetto and I hope to god no one hears what I used to say about white people growing up

No one can know what Jerry thinks about anyone.  I assume, based on my expecrience, that people that grew up in the segregated south and were fed a steady diet of white supremacist ideas will harbor unconscious or conscious racial biases.  Racism is acting out on the biases to discriminate  based on race.  If he is treating people the same way, regardless of any internal prejudice, it's not racism.  I don't think we can expect people to have some wholehearted end to biased thoughts or even bad decisions because of those thoughts.  It is just the reality of humankind.  It bothers me both when people get highly offended when some question whether a decision is racist just like it bothers me when we condemn people as racists when the truth is far more complex.  

I think Jones should apologize for those people he harmed when he protested.  I don't think that action means anything  about how he wants to act now.  

2 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I'm looking forward to the third and short quarterback sneak in a critical moment where Hurts fakes it and then drops back to throw a pass.

We know it's coming. It might not work but they're gonna try it. Guaranteed.

Should save this for the playoffs.

1 minute ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I'm looking forward to the third and short quarterback sneak in a critical moment where Hurts fakes it and then drops back to throw a pass.

We know it's coming. It might not work but they're gonna try it. Guaranteed.

 

Probably why they've lightened up on the scrum sneaks - got to get some receivers in space without it being a tell😉

8 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I'm looking forward to the third and short quarterback sneak in a critical moment where Hurts fakes it and then drops back to throw a pass.

We know it's coming. It might not work but they're gonna try it. Guaranteed.

 

I can see it now.......fake QB sneak and they throw a WR screen for a loss of 1 yard.