9 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I'm looking forward to the third and short quarterback sneak in a critical moment where Hurts fakes it and then drops back to throw a pass.

We know it's coming. It might not work but they're gonna try it. Guaranteed.

 

Probably keeping it in their back pocket if they need a big play in the playoffs. 

I think you're right, though.

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

This is a dumb "controversy”. 1950s Alabama was a completely different time and place, and he’s what, 15 years old here? It’s just dumb all around. And now I see Lebron made some remark that the media only questioned him about Kyries recent controversy, but didn’t ask him about this. Modern day athletes who get involved in politics just suck

Arkansas, Canadien, is not Alabama.  

That could have been a lot of folk I know that were Jerry’s age and a whole lot of them have grown but still are prejudiced.  I grew up in the South when there were still sundown towns, "colored” water fountains and bathrooms and places that did not allow Blacks (or Hispanics). But I never opposed segregation. At 14, when 99% of my subdivision’s parents were paying for a bus to send their kids to an all white junior high, I road a bus with my sister and about 10 other kids from the area (we stopped off in a immigrant community and picked up their kids to fill the bus on the way to school) to an integrated school.  Jerry should have said, "I was fourteen and a reflection of my community at the time but I have grown and am still growing”.  His response was garbage and, frankly, insincere.  Man up.  Most of us don’t have the prejudices we had at 14 but many realize how those shaped us and the ongoing work to grow past them.

The historian in me needs to correct something Stephen A. said. Yes, the 40 acres and a mule proposal post Civil War never came to fruition. But his comment about giving land to immigrants references the Homestead Act.  That Act was open to Americans too.  It was passed in 1862.  In 1868 the 14th amendment made it open to all Blacks. (Arguably, "free” Blacks could homestead in 1862.) Even women, if the "head of households” could homestead (but that’s a story for another time).

11 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I'm looking forward to the third and short quarterback sneak in a critical moment where Hurts fakes it and then drops back to throw a pass.

We know it's coming. It might not work but they're gonna try it. Guaranteed.

 

Even better. 4th & short.

23 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I seem to remember hearing Cam Newton with his size and athleticism "wouldn't get hurt" either. How'd that work out? Typically speaking, QBs that run as much as Hurts do, end up getting hurt/their careers shortened. We have plenty of data to support this.  

Now, he's gone and done a good job improving as a passer. He's better than last season. I give him credit for that. As we're seeing right now, though, the passing is slowly going away over the past few weeks. He's going to need to get back on track.

Is the injury rate for running QBs higher than for non-running QBs? I think the effectiveness of QBs that have to rely on their ability to run have a shorter lifespan just because of the speed that athletes physically decline.  I don't know that games missed due to injury for running QBs is any greater than other more traditional QBs.  I agree that there's no player too big and strong to get injured.  I just don't know that his being athletic makes it more likely he will get hurt.  I do think an over reliance on his running ability will reduce his effectiveness later in his career.  

14 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Arkansas, Canadien, is not Alabama.

Forgive him.  The rest of us Canadians understand Toronto sees itself as the center of the universe -- so Arkansas, Alabama, Arizona .... Aldebaran

Let's talk RB for a second.  

I've always had a moderate stance on Sanders.  Never really criticized him, never really gushed over him.  I like him as a starter and never doubted him in that role.  I also want no parts of paying him big long term money.  

What percentage of big second contracts for RBs go down as a success?  If this OL is as dominant as the hype, then what good are they if we have to overpay a RB?  Now, you don't want to overdraft a RB either.  I would look for a quality, but more modestly priced veteran and then look to RB around round 3 in the draft.

As far as "type," I would look for a more linear, explosive, slashing back.  With a solid WR corps and an OL that excels blowing open holes, we don't need a Westbrook or CMC type.  We also don't need a sluggish 235lb back to drag piles that the OL already pushed forward anyway.  I'd want someone quick, fast, decisive, and explosive through the holes provided by the OL.

Let's talk about some facts in here for a minute. Here's a scientific study that covers alot what this board talks about way too much. The myth of mobile QBs getting more injured and having shorter careers than less mobile QBs.

https://www.theundroppables.com/medical-myths-mobile-qbs/

59 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I seem to remember hearing Cam Newton with his size and athleticism "wouldn't get hurt" either. How'd that work out?

With the Panthers going to the Super Bowl? 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Let's talk RB for a second.  

I've always had a moderate stance on Sanders.  Never really criticized him, never really gushed over him.  I like him as a starter and never doubted him in that role.  I also want no parts of paying him big long term money.  

What percentage of big second contracts for RBs go down as a success?  If this OL is as dominant as the hype, then what good are they if we have to overpay a RB?  Now, you don't want to overdraft a RB either.  I would look for a quality, but more modestly priced veteran and then look to RB around round 3 in the draft.

As far as "type," I would look for a more linear, explosive, slashing back.  With a solid WR corps and an OL that excels blowing open holes, we don't need a Westbrook or CMC type.  We also don't need a sluggish 235lb back to drag piles that the OL already pushed forward anyway.  I'd want someone quick, fast, decisive, and explosive through the holes provided by the OL.

Not that simple.  Vision (ability to see the holes), burst through the hole and ball security all have to be considered.  Lot of posters trash Boston Scott and Gainwell. They are bargains. But I am not sure we just want that sort of RB alone.  Not looking for a sluggish big back, but an A J Dillon might not be a better choice that a Sermon.  

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

I seem to remember hearing Cam Newton with his size and athleticism "wouldn't get hurt" either. How'd that work out? Typically speaking, QBs that run as much as Hurts do, end up getting hurt/their careers shortened. We have plenty of data to support this.  

Now, he's gone and done a good job improving as a passer. He's better than last season. I give him credit for that. As we're seeing right now, though, the passing is slowly going away over the past few weeks. He's going to need to get back on track.

It's going away because he is facing pressure and when his first option isn't available he runs. He is not good at processing things quickly and stares down where he wants to go and throws late. His best throws are the ones where he knows before the snap where he is going and throw it to where the WR should be, which is great. He needs to make faster decisions outside of running.

Figured this was interesting enough. Here's some NFL players that also had a lacerated kidney, and how much time they missed,

1984 Jim McMahon - season ending IR, missed 7 games

2014 Miles Austin - season ending IR, missed 4 games

2015 Keenan Allen - season ending IR, missed 8 games

2015 Andrew Luck - season ending IR, missed 10 games

2016 Jordan Poyer - season ending IR, missed 10 games

2017 Hunter Henry - season ending IR, missed 2 games

2019 Zach Ertz - no IR, missed 1 game

Obviously there are different grades of laceration here. Poyer, for example, was hospitalized for 2 days. Luck was given the initial 4-6 week timeline, but healing took longer than expected. Ertz is the outlier here but again, he played against medical advice. 

In CJGJ case, it's good news that surgery isn't needed, obviously. But it might be tricky to nail down how much time he'll miss. 

 

Welcome to The Undroppables! Let’s dive right in. The idea that many individuals online believe so strongly that mobile quarterbacks are "injury-prone” is uninformed. My goal today is to show that, from my perspective as a fantasy player and an NFL fan, there are benefits of a mobile quarterback. I also want to help shed some light on the true meaning of "injury-prone”. Enter NFL Myths | Mobile Quarterbacks

Author’s Note: When I started writing this article, the NFL Wildcard round had not yet been played and Carson Wentz had not yet suffered a concussion. So, when people started labeling him injury prone, I admittedly got a little spicy as evidenced by the tweet below. However, as you will see, my reasoning is backed by science and data, which is the name of the game in fantasy football.

 

Myth 1: "Big hits are the primary cause of quarterback injuries.”

First myth on NFL Myths | Mobile Quarterbacks is the most common. I would venture to say the people with this argument always make the assumption that big hits from defenders are the reason for mobile quarterback injuries and shortened careers. There are several holes in that argument starting with the fact that 300 lb. mammoths sack non-mobile quarterbacks all the time, nevertheless, we’ll ignore that for now. Here’s some data to suggest that this narrative is simply incorrect.

This study, which is hot off the press, tracked every NFL orthopedic injury from 1980 to 2018 which is a massive sample size (meaning the data is highly reliable). What the study found was that the most common orthopedic injuries were to the knee at 24%. Hamstring strains and mild contusions (AKA bruises) were the second and third most common injuries respectively. What’s more interesting is that a whopping 82% of hamstring injuries and 72% of ACL tears (knee injuries) were non-contact in nature. From a clinical perspective, this means that those same players were just as likely to tear their ACL in the pocket or by slipping on their stairs at home. It’s highly likely they were already predisposed biomechanically speaking.

Zooming out even further, this study found that from 2010-2013 only 2.5% of quarterbacks tore their ACL. This is only four players out of a pool of 162. Even though the statistical analysis did not confirm this as a "validated number”, the chances of a quarterback tearing his ACL (contact or non-contact) is unlikely.

The only weakness of these studies is that concussions, arguably the highest risk injury, were not included. Luckily for us, this study did include concussions and after analyzing 459 concussions, concluded that corners, receivers, linebackers, and offensive lineman (in that order) are at the highest risk for concussions. Quarterbacks were not mentioned in the study.

Myth 2: "Rushing puts them at greater risk than staying in the pocket. Look at [insert QB with rushing ability].”

Don’t like numbers and science? Still think "establishing the run” and "the eye test” wins in today’s NFL? Still hunt and kill all of your wild game with a spear? Then let’s go this direction instead. Below is a list of commonly cited rushing quarterbacks used as cautionary tales to avoid rushing QBs altogether. In sum, they averaged around 700 rushing attempts in their career. Next to their name I have conveniently listed their most significant documented injury, how it happened and where it occurred on the field.

Robert Griffin III: Non-contact ACL, recovering a fumble 10 yards behind line of scrimmage.

Cam Newton: Rotator cuff tear, fell on outstretched hand while attempting a tackle after an interception. If you remember, this is the injury that lingered for two year. His recent foot injury came on a play where he was simply evading a sack.

Randall Cunningham: (Presumably) Contact ACL, in the pocket.

Steve Young: Final concussion of career, in the pocket

The only significant injury that I could find for these players that occurred during the act of running is a rib fracture for Donovan McNabb. I could go on and on listing Michael Vick, Kordell Stewart, Steve McNair etc. The bottom line is that the theme for running quarterbacks is, well, that it pays off. There are no correlations here with running and greater risk of injuries. The weakness behind this group of players is that I haven’t looked at their non-mobile counterparts because I don’t need to given the next myth.

Myth 3: "The careers of quarterbacks who run are shorter.”

Since I’m short on time, I’ll just leave this last tweet below and say that if my franchise quarterback can play for 10-13 seasons, I’m happy.

 

NFL Myths | Mobile Quarterbacks TLDR:

1. 74% of ACL tears are non-contact and only 2.5% of quarterbacks tear their ACL at all. 82% of hamstring strains are also non-contact.
2. Almost every commonly cited rushing quarterback used as an example to avoid running had their most significant injury happen in the pocket or on a fluke play
3. The quarterbacks who ran the most in NFL history played an average of 13 NFL seasons.
4. Injuries cannot be predicted and any player can be hurt at any given time, but patterns and statistics can give us a good picture of general risk.
5. As far as the research and naked eye observation goes, rushing quarterbacks being more prone to injuries is unfounded. At the very least, I’m simply saying we don’t know, so if you still believe that, the burden of evidence is on you (no not you, the other you, the "establish the run” guy).

Now, back to Carson Wentz. His most significant injuries so far have been an absolutely brutal sandwich hit that tore his ACL, an "overuse” injury-causing vertebral fracture and a concussion just last week on a dirty and unnecessary hit to the back of his head. These were unfortunate events that caused Wentz to suffer injuries but does not show that he is anymore injury-prone than another player.

The bottom line with mobile quarterbacks is don’t avoid them in your fantasy drafts this summer. Thanks for reading Medical Myths | Mobile Quarterbacks.

 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

In CJGJ case, it's good news that surgery isn't needed, obviously. But it might be tricky to nail down how much time he'll miss. 

 

 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

In CJGJ case, it's good news that surgery isn't needed, obviously. But it might be tricky to nail down how much time he'll miss. 

 

My guess is he's out the next 3 games for sure after Tennessee (all on the road) and the team is hoping for the January 1 return against the Saints.  If the division is locked up by then he may not get back on the field until playoff time, though.  

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I used to love Richard Pryor 

Who is that?

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I used to love Richard Pryor 

 

Cam Newton is a bad example to use. 

Dude purposely went out of his way to *find* contact, not avoid it. 

And to be fair, it kind of worked for him until it all caught up with him.  Then off the cliff he went. 

@LeanMeanGM

Eagles 20 titans 27

bonus: henry runs for 130 and 3 TDs

https://mobile.twitter.com/sharpfootball/status/1185011673905684480?lang=en

@LeanMeanGM

Eagles 28, Titans 24

Bonus -- AJ Brown 2 TDs

39 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Figured this was interesting enough. Here's some NFL players that also had a lacerated kidney, and how much time they missed,

1984 Jim McMahon - season ending IR, missed 7 games

2014 Miles Austin - season ending IR, missed 4 games

2015 Keenan Allen - season ending IR, missed 8 games

2015 Andrew Luck - season ending IR, missed 10 games

2016 Jordan Poyer - season ending IR, missed 10 games

2017 Hunter Henry - season ending IR, missed 2 games

2019 Zach Ertz - no IR, missed 1 game

Obviously there are different grades of laceration here. Poyer, for example, was hospitalized for 2 days. Luck was given the initial 4-6 week timeline, but healing took longer than expected. Ertz is the outlier here but again, he played against medical advice. 

In CJGJ case, it's good news that surgery isn't needed, obviously. But it might be tricky to nail down how much time he'll miss. 

 

Meaningless stats.  Season ending IR was the only  option prior to COVID.  The 4 week IR did not exist.

@LeanMeanGM 

Eagles 27
Titans - 17

Bonus - Treylon Burks finishes with more fantasy points than A.J. Brown

8 minutes ago, eaglelen said:

Meaningless stats.  Season ending IR was the only  option prior to COVID.  The 4 week IR did not exist.

lol no it wasn't. It wasn't the same rule today but players were still returning. And there was always the choice of "don't put them on IR". 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He is a mini Cam Newton.  Minus the ridiculous fashion choices and overall d bag personality.  That’s the comp I’ve used all along.  Smaller, weaker armed Scam Newton.