4 minutes ago, RLC said:

I would trade Hurts for Burrow or Herbert straight up without hesitation. 

Burrow, yes...Herbert no.

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

I would trade Hurts for Burrow or Herbert straight up without hesitation. 

I would hesitate, especially for Herbert. And depending on how this postseason goes, I might flat out refuse.

Big time throw and a great catch.

Hurts is a triple threat right now and will find a way to beat you even on an off day. Just about indefensible currently. Burrow and Herbert have the big arms. No doubt. But Hurts is playing mistake free and accurately passing the football. No picks and no hero ball throws. Cool calm and collected. The game has slowed down for him and the natural talents are just flowing. Can't wait for Goedert to get back, so we can get that screen game going again to deter blizes and more YAC. Just another amazing weapon to make life easier for Hurts. I knew Hurts would figure this out without him. Sign of a great MVP QB.

Lamar Jackson 22

Patrick Mahomes 23

Dan Marino 23

 

Jalen would be the 4th youngest QB to win MVP at 24 years old.  Also reminder that he is now the same age that Wentz was as a rookie. He should only continue to improve. 

13 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

It's feels surreal to say it, but you can't tell me that Herbert is a better QB than Hurts. Not anymore.

Even as I am typing it, I am having a hard time coming to grips with it, but I can't unsee what I have seen this season.

Hurts is the 2nd best QB of the 2020 class and he might overtake Burrow for the top spot at current trajectory.

Nope

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Lamar Jackson 22

Patrick Mahomes 23

Dan Marino 23

 

Jalen would be the 4th youngest QB to win MVP at 24 years old. 

You have to be basking in this so much. 

5 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Burrow, yes...Herbert no.

Burrow is better and playoff proven. Herbert is not, he’s just more talented than both Joe and Jalen.

16 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Because the QB has the most impact on the possibilities that 3-10 becomes 4-10 rather than 3-11. 

Got it. I didn't understand that the premise was for the Eagles to lose the game

2 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

That leads to Randall Cunningham is the best player in NFL history.

• Terrible coaching
• Terrible O-line
• 7 SB winning teams in his division, etc, etc

This is big boy school. You get credit for being the best you can be and Herbert is not anywhere near close.

Herbert is a major disappointment so far. He couldn't beat the Raiders to make the playoffs last year.

That's fair and I agree.

It's Manning vs. Brady.  I firmly believe that Peyton was much better, could have been much more successful.  He was the architect of his own success.  Brady had the best coach in NFL history, some questionable help, incredible rosters, and AMAZING luck bolstering his early success which he leveraged into a historically great career.  But the results are what they are and Brady, the GOAT, >> Peyton.

Circumstances change everything, but bottom line success is all that needs to be considered for awards.  9/10 teams in this league...maybe 31/32...either never would have given Hurts a shot or would have pulled the plug after how he looked as a passer early on.  Similar patience and support that Hurts got from the Eagles probably would have written a different story for a lot of QB busts over the years.  But none of that matters, only the bottom line.

I don't understand what all the hype over the Eagles offense is about - they suck - outscored by Joel Embiid today. Can't even get over the 50 hump and Joel is usually good for that a couple times a season. 

Herbert was a better prospect and might be a better passing skills contest passer.

Hurts is the better QB right now. Its not close.

I'd probably trade Hurts for Mahomes or Allen. I'd think a long time about Burrow. End of list.

Craziest td in the last 30 years 

2 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Herbert was a better prospect and might be a better passing skills contest passer.

Hurts is the better QB right now. Its not close.

I'd probably trade Hurts for Mahomes or Allen. I'd think a long time about Burrow. End of list.

A few weeks ago I said I would trade Hurts for either Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert or Jackson.

You can take Jackson and Herbert off that list now.

2 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I appreciate your response.  I really do.  But it doesn't really make sense.  The whole point of drafting is to maximize value out of a limited set of picks.

Look at the bolded part.  The entire front office goes through an evaluation process and ranks/slots players.  You are suggesting that at some point, if a player is still available, it is because everyone other team knows he sucks, so Howie should just disregard his board and select someone else who, the day before the draft, was deemed by the organization to be not as good as the player he should pass on.  But, by your logic, is now suddenly better than the player who has fallen.

Again, looking at the last sentence, you are implying that Howie is more interested in get merit badges for drafting players who have fallen than improving the team.  I can't buy that.

I respectfully disagree, the point of drafting is to find players for ones team.

I think sometimes the way Howie approached the draft he is interested in winning that merit badge.

The talking heads will grade a draft immediately after saying so and so gets an A+ in this draft because they really outmaneuvered teams on the draft board, based off an inexact science, 4 years later as with the raiders all those players that were part of an A+ draft are gone.

It's nice to get a shiney star at the club inclusion of the draft and everyone has an opinion and I think too often Howie Is interested in being the smartest guy in the room, to be fair he often is, but if 3 years later what at the time looked like a great value pick is no longer in the roster and never did anything while on it can one honestly say it was a good value pick 

No has bragging rights in Kvon Wallace being a good value pick, every tine he gets torched no one says well at least he was a good value pick, or at least I don't, and at the time I really liked the pick and sure at the time it might have been considered good value based off some arbitrary opinion but in hindsight it was a bad pick cuz the dude sucks.

I don't know maybe I'm looking at it incorrectly but that's how I feel.🤷‍♂️

 

1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

Herbert was a better prospect and might be a better passing skills contest passer.

Hurts is the better QB right now. Its not close.

I'd probably trade Hurts for Mahomes or Allen. I'd think a long time about Burrow. End of list.

In terms of MVP, who had the better season, QB rankings, etc, etc....Hurts >>>>>>>>> Herbert.

I do believe if Herbert were nurtured in this offense the way Hurts has been...right now...the scoring results would be comparable, probably even favoring Hurts due to all the damage he does with his legs.  But the passing offense would be much more dangerous.  And for the long term sustainable future, I'd take Herbert's arm and passing.  Just an opinion on how things would look with those other guys.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That's fair and I agree.

It's Manning vs. Brady.  I firmly believe that Peyton was much better, could have been much more successful.  He was the architect of his own success.  Brady had the best coach in NFL history, some questionable help, incredible rosters, and AMAZING luck bolstering his early success which he leveraged into a historically great career.  But the results are what they are and Brady, the GOAT, >> Peyton.

Circumstances change everything, but bottom line success is all that needs to be considered for awards.  9/10 teams in this league...maybe 31/32...either never would have given Hurts a shot or would have pulled the plug after how he looked as a passer early on.  Similar patience and support that Hurts got from the Eagles probably would have written a different story for a lot of QB busts over the years.  But none of that matters, only the bottom line.

No.  Don't get Phil Jackson syndrome.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That's fair and I agree.

It's Manning vs. Brady.  I firmly believe that Peyton was much better, could have been much more successful.  He was the architect of his own success.  Brady had the best coach in NFL history, some questionable help, incredible rosters, and AMAZING luck bolstering his early success which he leveraged into a historically great career.  But the results are what they are and Brady, the GOAT, >> Peyton.

Circumstances change everything, but bottom line success is all that needs to be considered for awards.  9/10 teams in this league...maybe 31/32...either never would have given Hurts a shot or would have pulled the plug after how he looked as a passer early on.  Similar patience and support that Hurts got from the Eagles probably would have written a different story for a lot of QB busts over the years.  But none of that matters, only the bottom line.

LOL. Z- cold take

Manning was a shadow of Brady.

Manning had some of the best teams in NFL history around him and he fell flat. Those Colts were loaded. The Broncos were too.

Manning went to 4 SBs and he had 5 TD passes in those SBs. 3 to his team and 2 to the other team.

Manning lost so many 1-and-done playoff games while he had the better team.

There is no serious Manning > Brady conversation. It died in about 2014.

If Brees replaces Manning he wins 3 or 4 titles. Brady wins 5 or 6 with Manning's teams.

Manning wins 2 or 3 with Belichick max.

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

A few weeks ago I said I would trade Hurts for either Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert or Jackson.

You can take Jackson and Herbert off that list now.

I was late to the Hurts party but early on the Hurts over Jackson party.  I wouldn't have made that trade in August.

I'd still have Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and Herbert on that list though.  Call me crazy, but I actually think Josh Allen may be the first to fall off it.

Hill is a cheat code

7 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

I don't understand what all the hype over the Eagles offense is about - they suck - outscored by Joel Embiid today. Can't even get over the 50 hump and Joel is usually good for that a couple times a season. 

They are the #1 points per game offense in the NFL

Man, I looked away from the screen for a minute and Hill ran in a 52 yard fumble return?

Lest we forget.  A beautiful sight.

Eric rowe from the time of chip Kelly 

Just now, eagle45 said:

I was late to the Hurts party but early on the Hurts over Jackson party.  I wouldn't have made that trade in August.

I'd still have Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and Herbert on that list though.  Call me crazy, but I actually think Josh Allen may be the first to fall off it.

I have to drop Herbert off that list now. At a certain point you have to just get it done. Herbert for all his talent has been unable to get his team to even a 7th seed, including likely this year.