1 minute ago, Swoop said:

But that's exactly my point in regards to how short their careers are.

And again, your bias is showing. The dude threw for over 5,000 yards and 38 TDs last season with a dumb coach and mediocre team. He's very good.

That argument goes both ways. You can't use Herbert's previous two years to discount Hurts, but not use this year to do the same to Herbert.

My Bias has no bearing on the fact that Hurts is likely to win MVP and lead his team to the best record in the NFL, while Herbert will once again be watching the playoffs.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tua is 3-14…

The Dolphins have hit that part of their season that we did a month or so ago. We'll see if they can pick things back up the way we did.

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

Uhhh, did you read past the bolded part?

Uhhhh yes. Immediately as or after it touches the ground. It was kicked on the first bounce  - in the air - IE Immediately after.

Dude threw for 5100 yards and 33 TDs... oh that's lick-a-dub

Stats are nice. Winning is better.

1 minute ago, Uscg-green said:

I really don't understand why Herbert gets all the love he does. I mean he's a good QB. But he isn't special. 

I think it’s the arm talent. His QB play is solid but like you said nothing special. However, his arm is crazy explosive and he can make any throw on the field. People just become infatuated with a young QB and that special of an arm. 

Remove Hurts from the equation.  Not saying I’d do it, but one could make an argument for Herbert over Burrow.

3 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

I really don't understand why Herbert gets all the love he does. I mean he's a good QB. But he isn't special. 

He's tall and has a big arm. People can't see past that.

Just now, D-Shiznit said:

That argument goes both ways. You can't use Herbert's previous two years to discount Hurts, but not use this year to do the same to Herbert.

My Bias has no bearing on the fact that Hurts is likely to win MVP and lead his team to the best record in the NFL, while Herbert will once again be watching playoffs.

You're completely missing what I'm saying. 

Herbert has a much longer and better overall sample size than Hurts does. Hurts currently has a much better team than Herbert does. 

That isn't to knock Hurts. That isn't to say he isn't a serious MVP candidate this season and at this rate, the winner. It's to dispell this notion that Herbert is clearly a worse QB based on a season that's not even finished yet.

4 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

Uhhhh yes. Immediately as or after it touches the ground. It was kicked on the first bounce  - in the air - IE Immediately after.

No what @Iggles_Phan described is exactly what the rule is. It’s not first bounce, it’s essentially making contact with the ball as it hits the ground, near simultaneously or, "immediately” as it hits the ground, not bounces back up

4 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

The Dolphins have hit that part of their season that we did a month or so ago. We'll see if they can pick things back up the way we did.

Wilson got carted off so they are down Wilson and relying on injury prone mostert 

Eli averaged about 4100 yards a season for a decade when that was a big number. All people say is he was .500

Eli won 2 SBs.

Herbert is not even .500 and he has yet to sniff the playoffs.

 

Just now, Swoop said:

You're completely missing what I'm saying. 

Herbert has a much longer and better overall sample size than Hurts does. Hurts currently has a much better team than Herbert does. 

That isn't to knock Hurts. That isn't to say he isn't a serious MVP candidate this season and at this rate, the winner. It's to dispell this notion that Herbert is clearly a worse QB based on a season that's not even finished yet.

The sample size is 2 years to 1, that's not a big sample size either way. Herbert's 1st and 2nd seasons were better than Hurts. Hurts 3rd season is not only better than Herbert's 3rd season, but any of his seasons so far.

As things stand, Hurts is the better and more successful QB.

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

He's tall and has a big arm. People can't see past that.

That’s unfair to Herbert.  Jamarcus Russell was tall and had a big arm.  Herbert has done a lot with it already with extreme success throwing the football early in his career.  The fact that he has done so without a lot of wins through 2.5 years on a bad roster is forgivable.  

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

No what @Iggles_Phan described is exactly what the rule is. It’s not first bounce, it’s essentially making contact with the ball as it hits the ground, near simultaneously or, "immediately” as it hits the ground, not bounces back up

I'm not guessing at the rule, I'm literally quoting the rule. "Immediately as or after it touches the ground ..." 

Just now, D-Shiznit said:

The sample size is 2 years to 1, that's not a big sample size either way. Herbert's 1st and 2nd seasons were better than Hurts. Hurts 3rd season is not only better than Herbert's 3rd season, but any of his seasons so far.

As things stand, Hurts is the better and more successful QB.

You're still entirely missing the point and your bias is obvious. 

That's okay, though. We have Hurts and they have Herbert. Let's hope he continues this level of play.

Maybe they need an Archie Manning loser teams Kinda VP award and Herbert can win that one?

Rivers would have about 5 of those.

ok, fans Im here now

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Remove Hurts from the equation.  Not saying I’d do it, but one could make an argument for Herbert over Burrow.

I would take Herbert over Burrow. Mahomes is the only QB I'd take over Herbert, maybe Allen too. But I'm sort of with you on Allen. He's a weird player who is a little too reckless for me.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

You're still entirely missing the point and your bias is obvious. 

That's okay, though. We have Hurts and they have Herbert. Let's hope he continues this level of play.

Nice try. Hurts is currently a better player than Herbert, no bias needed. Every objective metric in football, individual and team success, screams it.

2 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

I'm not guessing at the rule, I'm literally quoting the rule. "Immediately as or after it touches the ground ..." 

You’re completely wrong. 

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually had a conversation with a friend who is a Chiefs fan. If you took out Mahomes and Jalen hurts out to the discussion as both are mvp candidates and just compared the rest of the offense i think the only position the Chiefs would be better than the Eagles is Travis Kelce and maybe thuney. I’d take Dickerson over him tbh. Center is closer than you think because Humphrey is really good. But otherwise taking 9 eagles out of the other 10 players.

Chris Jones, I'd take Chris Jones over Fletcher Cox.

Just now, D-Shiznit said:

Nice try. Hurts is currently a better player than Herbert, no bias needed. Every metric in football, individual and team success, screams it.

There are a few RBs having inferior seasons to Miles Sanders by every metric that I’d trade him for…

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

Nice try. Hurts is currently a better player than Herbert, no bias needed. Every objective metric in football, individual and team success, screams it.

The bias is believing Herbert is better despite all evidence.

Just now, Utebird said:

Chris Jones, I'd take Chris Jones over Fletcher Cox.

We were talking offense not defense. Jones is easily better than Cox. But that wasn’t the convo 

1 minute ago, olsilverhair said:

ok, fans Im here now