1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

Of course the math of the run game changes with a mobile QB. Any coach would tell you that.

Yeah, I'm not saying it can't. I'm saying it's LARGELY overblown.

See: Our SB run, the Jets game with Minshew, the Titans and Henry, etc.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Obviously they didn’t get those plays from the college game.  Have to do a better job there.  

Exactly.  If they had caught up with the college game, he would have done a fake slide and kept going.

 

21 minutes ago, justrelax said:

You guys are a bunch of old fuddy-duddies. The game is changing and has been for a while. The college game is schematically always ahead of the pro game and QBs who can run are in the ascendancy. Absolutely you want your QB to be able to throw well, but the pressure on a defense if the QB is a serious running threat is enormous. It breaks keys, it alters defensive schemes, it almost forces you to play zone. 

Mind you, I am an older fuddy-duddy than either of you, maybe as old as you two combined. If I can see this, you should be able to.

A QB who can run, but can't throw reliably isn't a step forward for football.  It is a step back... to the Single Wing, triple option, etc.  

The NFL wants passing.  The rules for the NFL favors passing.   The passing game produces points.  Points are what wins in the NFL.  

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Pillars be like:

 

FYP

21 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I agree. But I get it. The point is to get young viewers and that’s who he appeals to 

I posted last night about my thoughts on Gameday and how it's gone downhill.  I'm guessing they heard a lot of bad feedback from Saturdays show and bringing in Pat McAfee is ESPNs attempt at righting the ship.  I enjoy some segments from his show and I think he'll bring a different energy to Gameday.  Pat does a great job at bridging the gap even though his crowd is younger.  He's been there and done that and understands why college football is so great.

The attempt to get younger viewers is not sustainable IMO.  I don't think ESPN realizes how many guys 35-75 live and breath college football.  They are doing a great job saying F you loyal college football fans.  Last weeks show was an embarrassment. I was hoping Gameday would be one of those institutions that wouldn't change much but it's on ESPN and ESPN knows how to ruin everything.  

4 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Yeah, I'm not saying it can't. I'm saying it's LARGELY overblown.

See: Our SB run, the Jets game with Minshew, the Titans and Henry, etc.

Well, yeah, of course you don't need a mobile QB to have an effective run game. I think everyone realizes that.

17 minutes ago, justrelax said:

 

You guys are a bunch of old fuddy-duddies. The game is changing and has been for a while. The college game is schematically always ahead of the pro game and QBs who can run are in the ascendancy. Absolutely you want your QB to be able to throw well, but the pressure on a defense if the QB is a serious running threat is enormous. It breaks keys, it alters defensive schemes, it almost forces you to play zone. 

Mind you, I am an older fuddy-duddy than either of you, maybe as old as you two combined. If I can see this, you should be able to.

Fuddy-duddy! Please stop with the personal attacks you lollygagging dewdropper!

I didn’t mean mine post to be a criticism of Jackson but a summary of why he might not sign. 

For the record, when Howie trades 3 first round picks for Jackson next offseason,  I am leaning towards the pro-Jackson camp.  
 

 

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Well, yeah, of course you don't need a mobile QB to have an effective run game. I think everyone realizes that.

I'm not so sure. Go back a page 😂

People have been saying that the game is changing to favor running qbs since the mid 80’s.  Literally…running qbs have been hyped as "new age/era” for about 30 years now.

They are old school qbs.  If anything, the new era qbs are the pocket statues who are so surgical with their arms that they don’t need to move.  30 years ago with the way the game was officiated, that was less of an option.

And the college game is not an ahead of the curve preview of what’s to come.  The chemistry and sophistication of a passing offense is just far inferior to what it can be in the pros.  A dominant running game is just more reliable in ncaa than the pros.

But the absolute elite end of CFB?  Nick Saban was the one that benched that running qb.  The last several national champs were overwhelmingly passing qbs.

25 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Gee... that's a hard one to see coming.   Oh, wait.  On the contrary, I pointed it out as a problem a few years ago.  And you said that it was a myth and tried to throw some stats about 'missed games' or whatever not being related to age.  Nonsense.

Yup. I came on here at the beginning of the 2019 season saying they’re getting too old and they need to start a rebuild at the end of 2019 particularly on defense. Particularly at safety (jenkins and mcleod weren’t getting younger and we continued to ignore the position) and Dline where Cox and Graham were going to eventually decline. Because the transition from the end of that era to the next was gonna get rough unless you decided to make that decision. They had to start getting rid of some of the older guys and going younger to make the transition.

Unfortunately they said they were going to do a rebuild in the 2020 off-season but then the pandemic hit and they saw 3 new coaches in the division and figured out who just go and try to win the division. However the signs should’ve been there at the end of 2019 season that it was over. we only made the playoffs because we played some of the worst teams in football, played in the worst division in football and Carson Wentz got hot.

But if you looked at that roster from an outsider and not eagles fan or homer it wasn’t a good roster. They were too reliant on older players and it wasn’t really capable of competing for a title even if wentz had played great which after his injury he was never getting back to that level. 

i don’t hate howie. I also don’t blindly love him either. I’ll give him props for the moves over the last two years and the first two offseasons when he came back. But i also know it was pretty obvious to some of us on here the downfall was coming due to some poor drafts and FA signings (there were analytics showing some of these guys like malik jackson were trending downward and aging but they hoped he’d return to 2017 form when it was likely he was starting to decline and showing his wear— plus the contract was awful). If howie and the eagles after 2019 said gonna tear this down a little and rebuild so we are gonna take a step back I’d been totally fine and understood why. Instead they thought relying on jeffery, desean along with 3 rookies was capable of being a title contender and adding slay was enough. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

There’s dumb, but knowing you’re dumb.  Then there’s dumb and not knowing you’re dumb.  Guess which category I put Nick in.  

 I know, but I try to stay somewhat positive about him even with the ridiculous T-shirts and the competitive advantage bs.  It’s getting more difficult though.  

15 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Fuddy-duddy! Please stop with the personal attacks you lollygagging dewdropper!

I didn’t mean mine post to be a criticism of Jackson but a summary of why he might not sign. 

For the record, when Howie trades 3 first round picks for Jackson next offseason,  I am leaning towards the pro-Jackson camp.  
 

 

Tbh lamar makes sense for the eagles at the end of this year if hurts doesn’t pan out given where they likely are in the draft and I’m guessing how the eagles view his upside. I am not a huge lamar fan but i can see the eagles being very interested. if Hurts doesn’t pan out the Eagles are still likely gonna be good enough where they’re not in position to get one of the young quarterbacks they love. I don’t think the Saints are gonna be in that position either. So your two 1st rounders might be in the teens or 20s. I don’t think that’s enough to get you all the way up to where you want the quarterback that you love. Add on i think there’s going to be multiple teams in the top 10 that want a QB who have an easier time maneuvering up to get the QB or already in that position  

And looking around the league at quarterbacks that could potentially want out Lamar is probably the best one that’s going to hit that market. I think at this point in time he’s a better passer than hurts. Add on hurts would have some value to the ravens for a year as a stop gap especially in the offense they constructed for lamar. 

 

CJG is going to make some huge plays on Sunday. 

11 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 I know, but I try to stay somewhat positive about him even with the ridiculous T-shirts and the competitive advantage bs.  It’s getting more difficult though.  

At least it’s not as bad as the guy in Detroit.

Lamar Jackson would be exactly what we need to get the 1 or 2 seed and then lose at home to a boo’ing crowd in the divisional round for the next 3 years.

21 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup. I came on here at the beginning of the 2019 season saying they’re getting too old and they need to start a rebuild at the end of 2019 particularly on defense. Particularly at safety (jenkins and mcleod weren’t getting younger and we continued to ignore the position) and Dline where Cox and Graham were going to eventually decline. Because the transition from the end of that era to the next was gonna get rough unless you decided to make that decision. They had to start getting rid of some of the older guys and going younger to make the transition.

Unfortunately they said they were going to do a rebuild in the 2020 off-season but then the pandemic hit and they saw 3 new coaches in the division and figured out who just go and try to win the division. However the signs should’ve been there at the end of 2019 season that it was over. we only made the playoffs because we played some of the worst teams in football, played in the worst division in football and Carson Wentz got hot.

But if you looked at that roster from an outsider and not eagles fan or homer it wasn’t a good roster. They were too reliant on older players and it wasn’t really capable of competing for a title even if wentz had played great which after his injury he was never getting back to that level. 

i don’t hate howie. I also don’t blindly love him either. I’ll give him props for the moves over the last two years and the first two offseasons when he came back. But i also know it was pretty obvious to some of us on here the downfall was coming due to some poor drafts and FA signings (there were analytics showing some of these guys like malik jackson were trending downward and aging but they hoped he’d return to 2017 form when it was likely he was starting to decline and showing his wear— plus the contract was awful). If howie and the eagles after 2019 said gonna tear this down a little and rebuild so we are gonna take a step back I’d been totally fine and understood why. Instead they thought relying on jeffery, desean along with 3 rookies was capable of being a title contender and adding slay was enough. 

yup, quite a few of us shared these same thoughts.  

Just now, bpac55 said:

yup, quite a few of us shared these same thoughts.  

Yup and we were called chicken little for saying the window was over. 

Forgot about Gridiron Heights.  Usually pretty funny.

 

 

29 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Fuddy-duddy! Please stop with the personal attacks you lollygagging dewdropper!

I didn’t mean mine post to be a criticism of Jackson but a summary of why he might not sign. 

For the record, when Howie trades 3 first round picks for Jackson next offseason,  I am leaning towards the pro-Jackson camp.  
 

 

Whoa there, mr duddy, be easy on these folks

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

 

You guys are a bunch of old fuddy-duddies. The game is changing and has been for a while. The college game is schematically always ahead of the pro game and QBs who can run are in the ascendancy. Absolutely you want your QB to be able to throw well, but the pressure on a defense if the QB is a serious running threat is enormous. It breaks keys, it alters defensive schemes, it almost forces you to play zone. 

Mind you, I am an older fuddy-duddy than either of you, maybe as old as you two combined. If I can see this, you should be able to.

Tom Brady, Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford, and Pat Mahomes are the last 4 QBs to play in the Super Bowl. 1 of which is pretty mobile but by no means has top notch speed and agility. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Since when?  What is this witchcraft?

The real witchcraft is it’s Sunday Night Football on a Thursday 

56 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

There’s dumb, but knowing you’re dumb.  Then there’s dumb and not knowing you’re dumb.  Guess which category I put Nick in.  

"The first thing about being smart is knowing what to do”

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

Despitr that, Baltimore has a terrific offense. Were Lamar a better passer they would crush everyone.

And if my aunt had a wiener she’d be my uncle

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

Fuddy-duddy! Please stop with the personal attacks you lollygagging dewdropper!

I didn’t mean mine post to be a criticism of Jackson but a summary of why he might not sign. 

For the record, when Howie trades 3 first round picks for Jackson next offseason,  I am leaning towards the pro-Jackson camp.  
 

 

 

59 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh lamar makes sense for the eagles at the end of this year if hurts doesn’t pan out given where they likely are in the draft and I’m guessing how the eagles view his upside. I am not a huge lamar fan but i can see the eagles being very interested. if Hurts doesn’t pan out the Eagles are still likely gonna be good enough where they’re not in position to get one of the young quarterbacks they love. I don’t think the Saints are gonna be in that position either. So your two 1st rounders might be in the teens or 20s. I don’t think that’s enough to get you all the way up to where you want the quarterback that you love. Add on i think there’s going to be multiple teams in the top 10 that want a QB who have an easier time maneuvering up to get the QB or already in that position  

And looking around the league at quarterbacks that could potentially want out Lamar is probably the best one that’s going to hit that market. I think at this point in time he’s a better passer than hurts. Add on hurts would have some value to the ravens for a year as a stop gap especially in the offense they constructed for lamar. 

 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

 

I didn’t say I’d do it I’m not a lamar fan. But i could totally see the eagles doing it