58 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

QB name to remember in college, Drake Maye at UNC.  Good arm, accurate, tall.  Only a RS Freshman right now, so we’ll have to keep an eye on him.  His family is royalty at UNC being the brother of former Tarheel Hoops player Luke Maye.  Someone to watch.  

I heard Drake Maye has a poster of this guy in his room:

I would not be happy if we traded for Lamar lol

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I didn’t say I’d do it I’m not a lamar fan. But i could totally see the eagles doing it 

Please I’m begging you guy, don’t even entertain the thought…my heart and fandom can’t take Lamar here after Hurts.

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

What kind of Canadian ultimatum is this?

You giant deek. Is your name Scott by chance?

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Please I’m begging you guy, don’t even entertain the thought…my heart and fandom can’t take Lamar here after Hurts.

I’ll send you some weed to help cope 

13 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

And if my aunt had a wiener she’d be my uncle

Nowadays, she/they could still be your aunt. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

A QB who can run, but can't throw reliably isn't a step forward for football.  It is a step back... to the Single Wing, triple option, etc.  

The NFL wants passing.  The rules for the NFL favors passing.   The passing game produces points.  Points are what wins in the NFL.  

See Buffalo Bills losing the SB to the NY Giants (not a running QB but a balanced offense that limited possessions). An efficient ball control offense can be an effective counter to a pass happy offense. Air Coryell never won it big. Walsh had run-pass balance when evolving the WCO. We all remember the weekly **** fete with Andy when all he did was pass and not run the ball. The NFL, Zippy the Pinhead as Commissioner, definitely wants continuous scoring highlight reel football. This doesn't necessarily mean that the franchises are forced to adopt this if they see a better way to win. IMO the main downside of the modern running QBs is (1) they kill the coaches ability to execute a sustained game plan because they always have their play, the scamper, undermining what the coach has designed and (2) injuries.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

A QB who can run, but can't throw reliably isn't a step forward for football.  It is a step back... to the Single Wing, triple option, etc.  

The NFL wants passing.  The rules for the NFL favors passing.   The passing game produces points.  Points are what wins in the NFL.  

And if the passing game doesn't produce enough points they'll change the rules until it does.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ll send you some weed to help cope 

This would be me the entire tenure of Lamar being here:

 

 

Best OT tandem in the NFL, hands down.

9 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

See Buffalo Bills losing the SB to the NY Giants (not a running QB but a balanced offense that limited possessions). An efficient ball control offense can be an effective counter to a pass happy offense. Air Coryell never won it big. Walsh had run-pass balance when evolving the WCO. We all remember the weekly **** fete with Andy when all he did was pass and not run the ball. The NFL, Zippy the Pinhead as Commissioner, definitely wants continuous scoring highlight reel football. This doesn't necessarily mean that the franchises are forced to adopt this if they see a better way to win. IMO the main downside of the modern running QBs is (1) they kill the coaches ability to execute a sustained game plan because they always have their play, the scamper, undermining what the coach has designed and (2) injuries.

I’ve gone over this before, but it also has a ripple effect on the WRs too. Why run precise routes when the QB is just gonna break down into backyard football so often? Look at Hollywood Browns exit as recent proof

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup and we were called chicken little for saying the window was over. 

Lol I def was one calling y’all chicken littles. I was still in a Super Bowl stupor and didn’t see the forest from the trees. Boy was I wrong. 
 

Howie has had a good offseason this year and a decent one last year….I’m ready to be hurt again 

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

False.  NFL defensive coordinators figure out running QB's fast enough.  Take away the run, and make them pass.

Look at Lamar Jackson in the playoffs, shut down. 

This may be the worst take this year, and with bacarty, rtk and jsb setting an extremely high bar, you really have outdone yourself.

I can appreciate an emotional response to a strange take, but let’s not get out of hand here.  Those 3 win the clown crown multiple times over. 

Just now, hputenis said:

I can appreciate an emotional response to a strange take, but let’s not get out of hand here.  Those 3 win the clown crown multiple times over. 

Im not sure anything tops Jsb. Not only does he try to alter the very laws of mathematics, he created his own thread to try and "destroy” mike. People originally on his side even turned on him
 

Lol, that’s tough to beat.

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

Im not sure anything tops Jsb. Not only does he try to alter the very laws of mathematics, he created his own thread to try and "destroy” mike. People originally on his side even turned on him
 

Lol, that’s tough to beat.

In case everybody forgot, here is a visual representation of what I did to him

 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Im not sure anything tops Jsb. Not only does he try to alter the very laws of mathematics, he created his own thread to try and "destroy” mike. People originally on his side even turned on him
 

Lol, that’s tough to beat.

I might try to get through that last week.
 

 

I’d imagine downunder has him pinned into a corner and is bludgeoning him over the head with facts and data.  🤣

 

 

55 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

People have been saying that the game is changing to favor running qbs since the mid 80’s.  Literally…running qbs have been hyped as "new age/era” for about 30 years now.

They are old school qbs.  If anything, the new era qbs are the pocket statues who are so surgical with their arms that they don’t need to move.  30 years ago with the way the game was officiated, that was less of an option.

And the college game is not an ahead of the curve preview of what’s to come.  The chemistry and sophistication of a passing offense is just far inferior to what it can be in the pros.  A dominant running game is just more reliable in ncaa than the pros.

But the absolute elite end of CFB?  Nick Saban was the one that benched that running qb.  The last several national champs were overwhelmingly passing qbs.

Statues?  Who besides Brady?  Rodgers? Nope.  Wilson? Nope.  Mahommes? Nope  Allen? Nope.  Herbert? Nope.  QBs need to be able to run.  RO and RPO are certainly making their way into the NFL and have been for some time.  Same with the spread.  But those QBs need to be able to pass.  Absolutely correct on that. AND if the call is for a pass barring a complete breakdown, actually timely deliver the pass. 

Jackson can pass. But the Ravens have been horrible at drafting WRs.  He has been throwing to TEs.  Hurts has shown a tendency to favor running too much and not keeping his eyes downfield.  His trigger has been bad.  Now, with A J Brown joining Smith and Goedert, Nurts has to show growth or he is done.  

But statues? Nope

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The real witchcraft is it’s Sunday Night Football on a Thursday 

Someone needs to find these folks a calendar.

32 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I’ve gone over this before, but it also has a ripple effect on the WRs too. Why run precise routes when the QB is just gonna break down into backyard football so often? Look at Hollywood Browns exit as recent proof

Too many 65 and below speed limits in Maryland for Brown, who obviously got used to those 80 mph speed limits in Oklahoma 

I'm done with cable. I'm in south Delaware. Less than two hours from Philly and my week one game is stupid names and Jags? Who the hell wants to watch that? The combined 8 fans of both teams? F off. 

17 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Statues?  Who besides Brady?  Rodgers? Nope.  Wilson? Nope.  Mahommes? Nope  Allen? Nope.  Herbert? Nope.  QBs need to be able to run.  RO and RPO are certainly making their way into the NFL and have been for some time.  Same with the spread.  But those QBs need to be able to pass.  Absolutely correct on that. AND if the call is for a pass barring a complete breakdown, actually timely deliver the pass. 

Jackson can pass. But the Ravens have been horrible at drafting WRs.  He has been throwing to TEs.  Hurts has shown a tendency to favor running too much and not keeping his eyes downfield.  His trigger has been bad.  Now, with A J Brown joining Smith and Goedert, Nurts has to show growth or he is done.  

But statues? Nope

Rushing attempts per game for 2021:

42 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

See Buffalo Bills losing the SB to the NY Giants (not a running QB but a balanced offense that limited possessions). An efficient ball control offense can be an effective counter to a pass happy offense. Air Coryell never won it big. Walsh had run-pass balance when evolving the WCO. We all remember the weekly **** fete with Andy when all he did was pass and not run the ball. The NFL, Zippy the Pinhead as Commissioner, definitely wants continuous scoring highlight reel football. This doesn't necessarily mean that the franchises are forced to adopt this if they see a better way to win. IMO the main downside of the modern running QBs is (1) they kill the coaches ability to execute a sustained game plan because they always have their play, the scamper, undermining what the coach has designed and (2) injuries.

What would you say if the kicker hadn't missed an 'easy' FG and won that game?  What happens to that narrative then?

But, you went back 30+ years... how many rule changes have happened since then to make the passing game a bigger part of the game.    BTW, "Air Coryell" ran the ball more than almost all teams in the league now, it was only an 'Air' based offense when compared to other offenses of that era... the late 1970's - early 1980's.   Air Coryell passed the ball about 53% of the time.  Only 7 teams in the NFL passed the ball at a lower percentage than that this past year.

BTW... I'm not talking about running the ball versus passing the ball.  I am talking about the QB's primary job being the PASS the ball, not RUN the ball.  Running the ball is an important part of the process, no doubt.  But, the idea that the running offense should or needs to include the QB running the ball as well is where the idea of the importance of an 'efficient' running game falls short.  

 

And the 'modern' running QBs that are limited as passers takes us back to the beginnings of the forward pass as a part of the game.  One kid was really good as a runner, and he could throw the ball a little bit, and they'd put them at QB, run the Single Wing, the triple option, etc.     I watched a JV football game yesterday (I work the chain gang), and what I saw was the QB being the best athlete on the field... and he ran through the opposing defense.  Kid is going to be a good one.  Freshman QB playing JV.   He threw the ball twice in the game.  Is that the future of the NFL?  Nope.  That's what teams do that don't have the ability to have a dangerous passing game... they make their best athlete the QB and let him run all over the opposition.  They let him decide when the running back gets the ball, and when they get to play hero ball and hold the ball themselves to run it.  The read option is a way to maximize the running game, but primarily its a way to hide the deficiencies of the QB.  When a QB has the ability to pass, teams will run RPOs more than ROs, teams will run play action pass more than ROs.  When a QB doesn't have the ability to pass efficiently, teams will try to work around that deficiently.

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

You giant deek. Is your name Scott by chance?

no politics fatty

21 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Statues?  Who besides Brady?  Rodgers? Nope.  Wilson? Nope.  Mahommes? Nope  Allen? Nope.  Herbert? Nope.  QBs need to be able to run.  RO and RPO are certainly making their way into the NFL and have been for some time.  Same with the spread.  But those QBs need to be able to pass.  Absolutely correct on that. AND if the call is for a pass barring a complete breakdown, actually timely deliver the pass. 

Jackson can pass. But the Ravens have been horrible at drafting WRs.  He has been throwing to TEs.  Hurts has shown a tendency to favor running too much and not keeping his eyes downfield.  His trigger has been bad.  Now, with A J Brown joining Smith and Goedert, Nurts has to show growth or he is done.  

But statues? Nope

QBs need to be able to PASS.  Having the ability to run as well just makes them more dangerous.  Its why Kirk Cousins got huge money, despite limited talent... he can still pass.  And he can't run.  Meanwhile, the guy drafted by the same team, in the same year, that got the first shot at the starting job... has less than 60 pass attempts since 2016.  In that same time frame, Cousins has 151 TD passes.  

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What would you say if the kicker hadn't missed an 'easy' FG and won that game?  What happens to that narrative then?

But, you went back 30+ years... how many rule changes have happened since then to make the passing game a bigger part of the game.    BTW, "Air Coryell" ran the ball more than almost all teams in the league now, it was only an 'Air' based offense when compared to other offenses of that era... the late 1970's - early 1980's.   Air Coryell passed the ball about 53% of the time.  Only 7 teams in the NFL passed the ball at a lower percentage than that this past year.

BTW... I'm not talking about running the ball versus passing the ball.  I am talking about the QB's primary job being the PASS the ball, not RUN the ball.  Running the ball is an important part of the process, no doubt.  But, the idea that the running offense should or needs to include the QB running the ball as well is where the idea of the importance of an 'efficient' running game falls short.  

 

And the 'modern' running QBs that are limited as passers takes us back to the beginnings of the forward pass as a part of the game.  One kid was really good as a runner, and he could throw the ball a little bit, and they'd put them at QB, run the Single Wing, the triple option, etc.     I watched a JV football game yesterday (I work the chain gang), and what I saw was the QB being the best athlete on the field... and he ran through the opposing defense.  Kid is going to be a good one.  Freshman QB playing JV.   He threw the ball twice in the game.  Is that the future of the NFL?  Nope.  That's what teams do that don't have the ability to have a dangerous passing game... they make their best athlete the QB and let him run all over the opposition.  They let him decide when the running back gets the ball, and when they get to play hero ball and hold the ball themselves to run it.  The read option is a way to maximize the running game, but primarily its a way to hide the deficiencies of the QB.  When a QB has the ability to pass, teams will run RPOs more than ROs, teams will run play action pass more than ROs.  When a QB doesn't have the ability to pass efficiently, teams will try to work around that deficiently.

Please don't misconstrue my post as defending Hurts or any QB who cannot pass effectively. Just an opinion that if the QB is a threat to run and that if this is reinforced as part of a game plan, the offense is harder to defend against. Also, in terms of the Bills, yes they could have won they game but if you watched that entire season, they should have scored a lot more points than they did in the SB. The Giants held them in check so the narrative doesn't change. In terms of Air Coryell, the point is that back then, not now, they were a pass happy offense versus the rest of the league and at that time and didn't win a SB. My point was more one of balance and if you include all the dimensions that an offense can deploy, a QB who is a run threat is a positive. This is different from what you wrote -- a critique about QBs that are primarily looking to run and I agree with the critique.