8 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I am impressed at how thoroughly so many completely misunderstood the thrust of my post.

A QB who can run and will run is a nightmare for a defense.

You want a QB who can do that. I stated quite clearly that I want a QB who can pass. BUT an indifferent passer like Lamar can still lead a top level offense.

Brady clouds our minds. He’s an outlier. There’s no one like him. Trying to get the next Brady is a fool’s errand.

I'd rather try to get the next Brady than try justify that our indifferent passer can lead a top level offense.

38 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He ran 8 times in the 5 games he played after Wentz went out.  Hardly something that will "suck a defense in”.  

There were 5 rushes in the Atlanta game for -2 yards.  0 rushes in the NFC CG and SB.

 

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Nick ran 11 times in seven games in 2017.  I would bet only a few were designed runs.  Just enough that is was a threat.  We are talking Nick, who runs a glacial speed.  

Come on.  11 rushes for 3 yards.  Most of those were kneel downs.    His long was 9 yards.   So, the other 10 carries were for -6 yards total.  That was a threat?   RPO is not a running option for the QB unless the play breaks down completely, or you let Hurts run it like he did at the start of last year and he just holds on to the ball and then has to run, or the team takes a penalty for a lineman down field.

9 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I am impressed at how thoroughly so many completely misunderstood the thrust of my post.

A QB who can run and will run is a nightmare for a defense.

You want a QB who can do that. I stated quite clearly that I want a QB who can pass. BUT an indifferent passer like Lamar can still lead a top level offense.

Brady clouds our minds. He’s an outlier. There’s no one like him. Trying to get the next Brady is a fool’s errand.

 

36 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

69 - 101 - 33 - 356 - 15 - 22 - 539 - 57 - neg6 - 64 - 3 - 35 - 218 - 6 - 43

Those are the in-season rushing yardage totals of the last 15 SB winning QBs (oldest to most-recent).

Helluva trend towards running QBs we've got there.

 

11 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I am impressed at how thoroughly so many completely misunderstood the thrust of my post.

A QB who can run and will run is a nightmare for a defense.

You want a QB who can do that. I stated quite clearly that I want a QB who can pass. BUT an indifferent passer like Lamar can still lead a top level offense.

Brady clouds our minds. He’s an outlier. There’s no one like him. Trying to get the next Brady is a fool’s errand.

Until it actually matters.  Then, that offense gets exposed.

31 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Saw that.  Wasn’t going to post it.  That guy is a weirdo.  Makes Jalen Hurts seems intelligent.  

He stuck his whole hand in his mouth as an attempt to motivate a group of men.  The guy is weird AF. 

 

Nick's regular season rushing totals for 2017.  

  

 

29 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You said they had 17 games to amass their yards.  As a matter of fact, neither one of them played 17 games.  No one mentioned jointly.  
 

You and some others in here wanted more football talk.  Just be prepared to back up your incorrect takes.  You’re not used to being corrected, but this what you get when you ask for more football talk.  Glad you can admit to being wrong.  That’s big of you.  You could have disappeared but didn’t.  

"And” means that Jackson AND Huntley were to be taken jointly.  I didn’t say each had played 16 games (Johnson had the 17th start).  "And” means Williams AND Murray were to be taken jointly.  I didn’t say either played every game.  "And is a collective conjunction.  If you feel you corrected me, fine.   If you believe I am wrong, fine.  I really don’t care.  

and

/and,(ə)n/

 

conjunction

1. 1. 

   used to connect words of the same part of speech, clauses, or sentences, that are to be taken jointly.

   "bread and butter"

55 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s doctor crab legs to you 

 

This man is a treasure 

53 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Saw that.  Wasn’t going to post it.  That guy is a weirdo.  Makes Jalen Hurts seems intelligent.  

Wrong

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s doctor crab legs to you 

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, jamiller said:

He stuck his whole hand in his mouth as an attempt to motivate a group of men.  The guy is weird AF. 

 

43 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Are you sure Nick ran it on RPOs or did he run it on the read options? We ran a bunch of them with him.

It doesnt make much sense at all for a QB to run it on an RPO instead of throwing it if youve sucked the LB outta there with the RB action. That opens up the passing window, which is the better way to gain yardage. He should either hand it to the RB if its going to be a run (because the RB is better at that, and less valuable to the team), or pass it when the LB is playing run. Theres just no time when it is preferable for the QB to run in an RPO.

Good point. I really can’t say.  You would have to ask Doug what he called.  AR calls the most RPOs.  That’s where Doug picked it up.  I believe the QB runs from it on occasion and the draw plays look designed as AR runs it.  Were those RO plays?  Possibly. Both are run blocking.  So when the QB pulls the ball back and runs instead of passing was it read option or run pass option? The difference is which defender is the QB’s key read. Hard to say because it is hard to see who the QB is reading, the LB or DE.  But does that really make a difference on the designed QB runs?   I suspect the draws are RPOs.  The misdirection plays?  Not sure.  Quite possibly both.  Pretty sure the everyone is covered but all that grass are runs on the fly.   

Do you think designed QB runs are more prevalent in the RO because the QB is reading the DE?  Then wouldn’t it make sense that the QB draws are more prevalent in the RPO? Outside runs, RO, inside runs possibly either?  But a QB with running ability makes both more difficult to defend, especially if the QB is a NFL level passer.  

You and @Iggles_Phan have me curious enough to spend more time on the offense in the All 22 this year. 

36 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nick's regular season rushing totals for 2017.  

  

 

I suspect you tell me next the 9 yards wasn’t even a draw?  Man, I sure thought I remembered him running more but that may have been with Chip in the RO.  Thanks.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

69 - 101 - 33 - 356 - 15 - 22 - 539 - 57 - neg6 - 64 - 3 - 35 - 218 - 6 - 43

Those are the in-season rushing yardage totals of the last 15 SB winning QBs (oldest to most-recent).

Helluva trend towards running QBs we've got there.

Small sample size.  Even smaller when you take into consideration repeats.  Age of the QB is a factor as well.

2 hours ago, The Blackfish said:

 Mobility like Mahomes, and Rodgers is fine, but the QB the Eagles moved up to draft 5-6 years ago had his career set on a downward trajectory because he ran.  Wentz isn’t the first and won’t be the last. Bill’s fans think Josh Allen is built different, and so was Cam Newton.  
 QB’s are protected in the pocket, really anywhere behind the line, it’s why Brady doesn’t miss games,  Rodgers, doesn’t miss much either, but Jackson has missed a bunch already, and the team that pays him $180 million plus guaranteed, won’t win anything.  A lot of it is on Harbaugh not developing Jackson, he should of sat his rookie season like Mahomes did. The only thing Harbaugh has done is put Jackson in an NFL version of his Louisville offense, that’s not growth. 
 QB’s get hurt in the pocket,  Zach Wilson didn’t against the Eagles, but they do.  Joe Montana has said it several times, don’t make the hardest job in sports, harder, QB’s have an internal clock, if you’re at 3 and the ball is in your hands, what happens next is your fault, whether it’s a holding penalty or a concussion! 
 

Well said. But Rodgers isn’t a statue.  He absolutely got hammered when he first started taking sacks and like Russell Wilson and Mahommes, his mobility was great at helping him avoid more sacks and take the green space when offered.  

What else can Harbaugh do for Jackson?  Maybe get some WRs. Once again the receiving threat on that team are the TEs. (My son’s long time girlfriend’s  (and roommate) father’s team is the Ravens so we watch a bunch together.)  

AJB, Smith, Goedert O/U 2900 yards combined this year?

9 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

AJB, Smith, Goedert O/U 2900 yards combined this year?

Until Hurts can show he can 1) read and anticipate his receiver being open 2) pull the trigger quicker 3) use the whole frigging field with enough regularity to make guarding on the right futile 4) stop abandoning pockets, learn how to move within the pocket and play within a small pocket 5) shorten the trigger to closer to 2 than 3 seconds, then I will have to take the under. 

24 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

AJB, Smith, Goedert O/U 2900 yards combined this year?

I'll go under. I think it'll more likely be around 2600 to 2700. And then there's the possibility that one of them will miss some time along the way, which would drag the total down.

37 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

AJB, Smith, Goedert O/U 2900 yards combined this year?

Id say 2800-3200 so slightly over?

Goedert, Smith, and Watkins had just under 2400 last year.

Replace Watkins with Brown and put Smith in year 2.

 

NFL Network had a weird stat tonight in their ticker. Hurts had 7 TDs called back by review or penalty last year. That's some crappy bad luck.

Add in the back to back TD passes Raegor dropped to lose to the Giants and I will go over even if he just gets slightly better due to having 20 starts already.

They are not exactly facing the 1985 Bears on D this year either. NO, Pit, and GB might have tough D's but that's about it.

1 hour ago, Texas Eagle said:

AJB, Smith, Goedert O/U 2900 yards combined this year?

Put me for under. This ties into my season prediction of no 1,000 yard receivers at all. A lot of people have tried to predict yards for our pas catchers and end up backing into Hurts throwing for 4,000+ yards. It’s possible, but with the QB we know as of today plus 3 really good options plus we’ll probably be a good running team, I think we’ll see a lot of target sharing week to week vs a high powered offense like the Greatest Show on Turf. Brown/Smith/Goedert get about 2,700 combined. Watkins/Pascal get a combined 500. Backfield and backups get 500 combined. We’re already at 3,700 passing yards and I think I’m low on the backfield and even Pascal/Watkins prediction. 

6 hours ago, justrelax said:

I am impressed at how thoroughly so many completely misunderstood the thrust of my post.

A QB who can run and will run is a nightmare for a defense.

You want a QB who can do that. I stated quite clearly that I want a QB who can pass. BUT an indifferent passer like Lamar can still lead a top level offense.

Brady clouds our minds. He’s an outlier. There’s no one like him. Trying to get the next Brady is a fool’s errand.

The Bucs thought so, too. Boy did they struggle.

It can be for run of the mill/bad teams. Not for good teams. That's a big reason why Hurts has done nothing against them so far.

How many teams have a QB that runs as frequently as Hurts/Lamar that has won a championship?

6 hours ago, BigEFly said:

I suspect you tell me next the 9 yards wasn’t even a draw?  Man, I sure thought I remembered him running more but that may have been with Chip in the RO.  Thanks.

I'm not saying that at all.  What I am saying is that the Eagles did not win the SB by reverting to an offense that included Nick as a running threat.  Very much on the contrary.  They won by giving him the ability to decide if the RB should run or he should throw.  His 2017 rushing stats show that there was no threat for him to be a runner.  1 rush for 9 yards is not a threat.  He played from the pocket.

The revision of the offense for Nick in 2017, was not based on Doug's prior work with Andy.  Instead it was Reich going back and studying Chip's offense with Nick back in 2013, and talking to Nick.  The run was never the focus from the QB position with Nick Foles in 2017.  It's partly why the Philly Special was successful.  Nick outside the pocket was an anomaly.  He was no threat.

There's no way in hell that trio flirts with or goes over 3000 combined unless Hurts takes a massive step forward or doesn't target anyone else.

Well we are finally here.   Week 1 is in full effect.   The Lions are getting a lot of press because of "Hard Knocks".   The game is already sold out.  And yes they did finish the season better than they started it (The Birds did too).   Again I don't think it will be the same as the 44-6 butt whopping last year.   But I honestly feel both teams have improved since last year but the Eagles are still the better team overall.   They just have to prove it on the field.   Pressure Goff and he falls apart.   Run the ball down their throats again.   Get AJ, Devonta and Dallas going  from short and intermediate to even deep passes.   I don't see why we can't at least do a 30 Burger and keep them under 10 points again.   

3 minutes ago, KINGnabb said:

Well we are finally here.   Week 1 is in full effect.   The Lions are getting a lot of press because of "Hard Knocks".   The game is already sold out.  And yes they did finish the season better than they started it (The Birds did too).   Again I don't think it will be the same as the 44-6 butt whopping last year.   But I honestly feel both teams have improved since last year but the Eagles are still the better team overall.   They just have to prove it on the field.   Pressure Goff and he falls apart.   Run the ball down their throats again.   Get AJ, Devonta and Dallas going  from short and intermediate to even deep passes.   I don't see why we can't at least do a 30 Burger and keep them under 10 points again.   

This is just wrong.  Can we just refer to him as Goedert?   Thanks.