4 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Zero chance they give up those two first rounders for Lamar. 
 

 

 

 

Zero. 

 

Then you just don't know this team. 

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I disagree.  They built a roster that is ready to compete now. If Hurts isn't the answer they are going to try to obtain a top veteran QB that can come in and help them try to win another Super Bowl.  The draft would be a last resort if they can't obtain a veteran in a trade. 

They are about to be down a DE, 2 CBs, 2 safeties, a LB, and a DT, and that's just the defense. Even if (especially if) they extend 1-2 guys they still need cap room to operate. A QB on a rookie contract is the most likely direction they will go for a more well rounded roster.

Just now, Texas Eagle said:

They are about to be down a DE, 2 CBs, 2 safeties, a LB, and a DT, and that's just the defense. Even if they extend 1-2 guys they still need cap room to operate. A QB on a rookie contract is the most likely direction they will go for a more well rounded roster.

 

If you haven't figured out by now then I'm not sure you ever will but the cap isn't going to stop the team from doing anything they want with how they can ma uever around it to create space so easily.  You act as if this team wasn't trying to trade for Wilson and Watson both whom they would have handed massive new contracts. 

Lamar has regressed each of the last two seasons, as both a passer and a runner.  He hasn't signed a contract with the Ravens yet because he's insisting on a fully guaranteed deal like the one Watson got.  What would you call a person who is a proponent of offering the richest fully guaranteed contract in NFL history to a regressing, more frequently injured player who plays to contact? 

Quit quoting him.

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

If you haven't figured out by now then I'm not sure you ever will but the cap isn't going to stop the team from doing anything they want with how they can ma uever around it to create space so easily.  You act as if this team wasn't trying to trade for Wilson and Watson both whom they would have handed massive new contracts. 

DE/CB are premium positions that will be upwards of 20m/year. The cap can be played with but it's still there. Lamar Jackson is going to be looking for highest QB money ever. Not happening.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

El Paso isn't West Texas, it's Baja New Mexico.

Lubbock, Amarillo, Midland, San Angelo, that's West Texas.

 

8 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 QBs that Lurie has handed big money contracts to during his ownership:

McNabb

Vick

Wentz

 

What do they all have in common? Very athletic players at the position who are able to make plays with their legs when need be. 

How do 3 QBs make it that "he fits the profile of the type of QB that Lurie has shown he prefers."?

What's the O/U on the amount of times we hear "Dawg Mentality" all season? Setting it at 10,000

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Lamar has regressed each of the last two seasons, as both a passer and a runner.  He hasn't signed a contract with the Ravens yet because he's insisting on a fully guaranteed deal like the one Watson got.  What would you call a person who is a proponent of offering the richest fully guaranteed contract in NFL history to a regressing, more frequently injured player who plays to contact? 

Quit quoting him.

Watson really messed up the QB market

8 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

DE/CB are premium positions that will be upwards of 20m/year. The cap can be played with but it's still there. Lamar Jackson is going to be looking for highest QB money ever. Not happening.

 

Eagles value QB over any other position.  If they are looking for a QB next season they will be targeting a veteran QB in a trade first and foremost.

You don't agree, that's fine.  I don't agree with hardly any of your opinions.  No need to keep going in circles about it. 

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

How do 3 QBs make it that "he fits the profile of the type of QB that Lurie has shown he prefers."?

Because these are the only 3 QB's that Lurie has invested in heavily with large contracts during the course of his ownership.  It shows they are the type of QB he believes to build a franchise around. 

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Watson really messed up the QB market

Yes and No.  Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson signed after him and neither got fully guaranteed deals, so I think the owners will succeed in treating the Watson contract as a "one-off".  The salaries of QBs and WRs have jumped rapidly, and it's probably more useful to measure a QBs contract as a percentage of the team cap that looking at the raw dollar value.

Folks who do pay more attention to the number will have to prepare for Hurts' extension (if it's from the Eagles) to be $40M+.  Mahomes, Allen, Murray, Watson, Rodgers, Wilson, Prescott, Stafford, Carr have all successfully negotiated $40M AAV or more.  Jackson will certainly be paid that amount.  Anyone thinking a Hurts extension would be less are kidding themselves.

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Watson really messed up the QB market

I don't think he did. That was a one time bidding war.

Carr signed his extension after Watson. Murray signed his deal with the study clause. Wilson got his deal done no problem.

The problem here is that Lamar is a moron without an agent.

1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

I don't think he did. That was a one time bidding war.

Carr signed his extension after Watson. Murray signed his deal with the study clause. Wilson got his deal done no problem.

The problem here is that Lamar is a moron without an agent.

Agreed. Watson wasn’t even the first, Cousins did the same and it affected nothing. Cousins was a FA, Watson effectively a FA with the bidding war he had. That’s leverage

18 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Then you just don't know this team. 

 

15 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

If you haven't figured out by now then I'm not sure you ever will but the cap isn't going to stop the team from doing anything they want with how they can ma uever around it to create space so easily.  You act as if this team wasn't trying to trade for Wilson and Watson both whom they would have handed massive new contracts. 

 

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Because these are the only 3 QB's that Lurie has invested in heavily with large contracts during the course of his ownership.  It shows they are the type of QB he believes to build a franchise around. 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

What's the over/under for penalties on Barnett?

3?

If the team gets 10, I would go with 7.5.  

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Yes and No.  Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson signed after him and neither got fully guaranteed deals, so I think the owners will succeed in treating the Watson contract as a "one-off".  The salaries of QBs and WRs have jumped rapidly, and it's probably more useful to measure a QBs contract as a percentage of the team cap that looking at the raw dollar value.

Folks who do pay more attention to the number will have to prepare for Hurts' extension (if it's from the Eagles) to be $40M+.  Mahomes, Allen, Murray, Watson, Rodgers, Wilson, Prescott, Stafford, Carr have all successfully negotiated $40M AAV or more.  Jackson will certainly be paid that amount.  Anyone thinking a Hurts extension would be less are kidding themselves.

But has he proven he's worth it?

I can't seeing us paying QB1 dollars for a guy who isn't a top-10ish QB.

20 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Then you just don't know this team. 

I knew Ruben Randle wasn’t our 2nd best receiver. 

Just now, EagleJoe8 said:

I knew Ruben Randle wasn’t our 2nd best receiver. 

 

Who was then? Because those WRs were beyond putrid on 2016.  Randle would have been the second best no doubt but he had such a piss poor attitude that it cost him a job when he didn't have the top level talent to make up for it. 

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Eagles value QB over any other position.  If they are looking for a QB next season they will be targeting a veteran QB in a trade first and foremost.

You don't agree, that's fine.  I don't agree with hardly any of your opinions.  No need to keep going in circles about it. 

So you agree with most of my opinions

Just now, Texas Eagle said:

So you agree with most of my opinions

 

What? 

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

If Hurts stinks this season, Howie is gonna take advantage of another QB on a cheap contract so he can continue to build the roster. Wouldn’t expect anyone other than a rookie being the QB next season if it isn’t Hurts.

Anthony Richardson in 2023.

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

But has he proven he's worth it?

I can't seeing us paying QB1 dollars for a guy who isn't a top-10ish QB.

This is the crux of it.

IMO those dollars should be reserved for the top 8/32 players at the position.  Hurts certainly isn't there right now, and to what point does he need to improve this season?  I would say top 8.  Even if the roster is built (we're not there yet), the difference in caliber between Hurts and a first round pick at QB is likely less than the difference between Hurts and a top 8 QB in the NFL -- especially considering the financial commitment needed on an extension.

I still hold to my belief Hurts isn't showing up to OTAs next spring without a new deal, so any strategy of having him play out his 4th year is flawed.

34 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I disagree.  They built a roster that is ready to compete now. If Hurts isn't the answer they are going to try to obtain a top veteran QB that can come in and help them try to win another Super Bowl.  The draft would be a last resort if they can't obtain a veteran in a trade. 

Or draft a rookie that actually performs well as a rookie.  Dak Prescott for example went 13-3 on a roster that was already built.

He just doesn’t want it to be a rookie as he knows they will outplay his man crush and make him look worse.

8 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

What? 

There are hardly any opinions of mine that you don’t agree with is what you said