16 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

It didn't but, the state police had something to say about it lol. 

Jerks

33 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You might be right, which is why I was thinking it was a one year deal.  In that case, it goes back in the 'stupid Howie can kicking move' category.

Yup. It's how they announced it on their transactions page on the website no one goes to anymore

15 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What would the cap situation had been if they didn't bring him back?  Would they have been off the hook in 2023 or still paying dead cap?  It's confusing for sure.  Had they released Cox and then given Hargrave an extension that would have made a lot more sense than the current situation where they now have Cox on the books through 2024 and a potential of Hargrave for even longer if they give him the Howie special.  Paying for two over 30 DT and then paying them when they aren't on the roster is my biggest issue with the way Howie is handling the DL.

It was a post June 1st designation so yea, there would have been dead money in 2022 and 2023. Now there will be dead money in 2022, dead money on top of dead money in 2023, and dead money in 2024. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yup. It's how they announced it on their transactions page on the website no one goes to anymore

Those must have been the days Howie went off his meds.

35 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You might be right, which is why I was thinking it was a one year deal.  In that case, it goes back in the 'stupid Howie can kicking move' category.

Yeah, Spotrac shows it with a two-year structure but calls it a one-year deal. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/fletcher-cox-9822/

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

Those must have been the days Howie went off his meds.

It was a very underwhelming month besides Reddick. Cox, Harris, Scott, Barnett, Pascal, Ward, Herbig and Chachere. White capped it off which was a solid but not really splashy move. 

12 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

tell them  you are cancelling because you are going to have difficulties due to medical bills after contracting genital herpes and the ensuing lawsuit from your partner that you spread it to.

 

Normally the truth gets you nowhere.  He should come up with a creative lie instead.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yeah, Spotrac shows it with a two-year structure but calls it a one-year deal. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/fletcher-cox-9822/

The constant can klcking is doable with a cheap QB but if they have to pay a QB top $ the music stops. 

9 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

The constant can klcking is doable with a cheap QB but if they have to pay a QB top $ the music stops. 

The cap will continue rising unless we get hit with another pandemic. It’ll be fine. 

The Cox contract was bad (among other bad ones like Alshon), but simple restructures and converting salary to bonuses like with Lane, Elliot, and Seumalo aren’t that big of a deal because it creates optionality. They create more valuable dollars today if needed and can be simply carried over next year if unused. 

I think a lot of this stuff is overblown to a certain extent. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

The cap will continue rising unless we get hit with another pandemic. It’ll be fine. 

The Cox contract was bad, but simple restructures and converting salary to bonuses like with Lane, Elliot, and Seumalo aren’t that big of a deal because it creates optionality. They create more valuable dollars today if needed and can be simply carried over next year if unused. 

I think a lot of this stuff is overblown to a certain extent. 

I agree unless they have to pay a QB 40mil.  Even with a rising cap that's just not so easy to work in without impacting other signings

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

That's interesting to see all compared.  One of the biggest issues with the Midnight Green is that it's such a tough color to replicate across different materials.  It's why when Nike rolled out their uniforms the Eagles only had white at first.  You would think they would have a color that was easy for them to use on gameday jersey materials as well as replicas.  

It's interesting to know that the NFL likes to use the same colors across the board.  If you stripped the logos any team wearing Navy blue, it's the same Navy blue for every team.  Same for black, red and so on.  Midnight green is it's own custom color.  Same with the Jets shade now too.  

One last thing is that midnight green was much different on the older "traditional" shiny fabric that many of us grew up wearing when we played.  I think the color was created to be used on a shinier material rather than the new fabric that has no shine at all.

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

I agree unless they have to pay a QB 40mil.  Even with a rising cap that's just not so easy to work in without impacting other signings

Even if they sign Hurts to an extension where he makes $40 million a year, any big cap hit on that contract won't kick in until 2025 at the earliest. 

15 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I'm color blind.  Are they really that different?

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

I agree unless they have to pay a QB 40mil.  Even with a rising cap that's just not so easy to work in without impacting other signings

The Eagles are also paying PENNIES for their safeties.  Safeties are getting PAID AND their salaries are only going to go up.  If both Epps and CJG play up to par the Eagles are going to have to shell out some serious coin to keep them as Eagles.  

Right now the Eagles have rookie salaries for QB, WR2, WR3/4 depending on Watkins on the depth chart, LG and S.  Epps, Edwards and White are all getting paid very low veteran salaries too.  

3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I agree unless they have to pay a QB 40mil.  Even with a rising cap that's just not so easy to work in without impacting other signings

Deshaun Watson’s 2022 cap hit is less than $10M. If the Eagles want to acquire a top QB they’ll be able to make it work. 

The bigger issue is not handing out big contracts to unproductive players. Hopefully Cox isn’t a repeat of DJax and Alshon, where it was money flushed down the toilet. 

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Even if they sign Hurts to an extension where he makes $40 million a year, any big cap hit on that contract won't kick in until 2025 at the earliest. 

Since when does a RB make 40 mill a year

On 8/31/2022 at 1:21 PM, Iggles_Phan said:

This will be my last comment on the topic...

 

58 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You might be right, which is why I was thinking it was a one year deal.  In that case, it goes back in the 'stupid Howie can kicking move' category.

 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

The Eagles are also paying PENNIES for their safeties.  Safeties are getting PAID AND their salaries are only going to go up.  If both Epps and CJG play up to par the Eagles are going to have to shell out some serious coin to keep them as Eagles.  

Right now the Eagles have rookie salaries for QB, WR2, WR3/4 depending on Watkins on the depth chart, LG and S.  Epps, Edwards and White are all getting paid very low veteran salaries too.  

And Slay is getting older/more expensive, Bradberry will be a FA, a reckoning seems to be coming with Hargrave. Howie has a lot of work to do. 

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The Cox contract was bad (among other bad ones like Alshon), but simple restructures and converting salary to bonuses like with Lane, Elliot, and Seumalo aren’t that big of a deal because it creates optionality. They create more valuable dollars today if needed and can be simply carried over next year if unused. 

Teams should always open up cap space in year 1 at the expense of year 2. If they don't use it, that extra cap space carries over and it's fine. If they use it, it just has to be for a good reason (extending players at below market deals to save more money)

Extension candidates this year: Hargrave, Epps, CGJ, Bradberry, Edwards, Scott, Sanders. Obvious there are varying prices of those extension, but the option is on the table.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

And Slay is getting older/more expensive, Bradberry will be a FA, a reckoning seems to be coming with Hargrave. Howie has a lot of work to do. 

I know you've listened to Kapadia/Solak.  I agree with them that this part of the GM realm is one of Howie's strengths.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Hopefully Cox isn’t a repeat of DJax and Alshon, where it was money flushed down the toilet. 

It's easy to look at those contracts in hindsight and be critical, but the Foles contract in 2017 was also essentially the same gamble. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

And Slay is getting older/more expensive, Bradberry will be a FA, a reckoning seems to be coming with Hargrave. Howie has a lot of work to do. 

There's a lot to be figured out on D. Obviously it all starts with the play. Half the time we worry about re-signing guys before the season they don't even play well

49 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What would the cap situation had been if they didn't bring him back?  Would they have been off the hook in 2023 or still paying dead cap?  It's confusing for sure.  Had they released Cox and then given Hargrave an extension that would have made a lot more sense than the current situation where they now have Cox on the books through 2024 and a potential of Hargrave for even longer if they give him the Howie special.  Paying for two over 30 DT and then paying them when they aren't on the roster is my biggest issue with the way Howie is handling the DL.

As it is right now, Cox costs $4M in cap (for the new deal) and $12.86M dead for the 'post-June-1' cut they did with him, then renegotiated.   The 'post-June-1' cut means he counts $15.3M dead in 2023.   But the new deal means he'll also now count an extra $10M in 2023... or more likely, with the extra year of the structure, they'll post-June-1 cut him again, and he'll count $2.5M dead in 2023 (on top of the other $15.3M) and then $7.5M dead in 2024.  

And this is why I hate the style of move that Howie makes.  Fletcher Cox will count $17.8M minimum dead next year, and won't be on the team?     And he hasn't been that guy since 2018.  I know he made the Pro Bowl in 2019 and 2020, but they were much more due to his reputation than his actual play, IMO.   Then again, maybe if they had some decent edge players we'd see a greater impact from Cox.

13 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I know you've listened to Kapadia/Solak.  I agree with them that this part of the GM realm is one of Howie's strengths.

Yeah, it’s not the first time he turned a middling roster into a good one (although this time it was his own doing). I think he’s walking a tight rope though. We don’t have our franchise QB, and we have a lot of FAs to be on defense, meaning he needs to keep his heater going.

I suspect either Edwards or White get an extension this year with Dean slated to take over for the other next year. Hargrave is a tough one because he will have to be paid into his 30s. I think I’d let him play out the season and let him test FA unless he’s willing to take a team-friendly deal. Cox should be a goner. Bradberry is similar to Hargrave in age/contract. At safety, I think one or both of Epps/CGJ get extended.

In this scenario, we would be entering FA minus are two starting 3-4 ends, a starting CB (with no immediate Slay heir apparent as well) and no franchise QB. That’s not to mention Graham/Barnett will need to he re-signed/replaced.

That’s a lot of work, but not impossible.