8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

The o-line issues were caused by Hurts. Don't you understand that? 

Not really.  If after a series or two you see that the defense is stacking the box and going "all in” wouldn’t you make adjustments with the blocking schemes/play calling on passing downs? 

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The Lions seemed to be following the Bucs lead.  

I'm not sure he's making any reads with any semblance of pressure in his face.

His read it is to scramble.  

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

He needs to find Goedert and Smith and be deliberate about it.

Quez Watkins might as well just take a nap this year.

Was AJ Brown a luxury the Eagles didn't need?  Was that a draft pick that could have been used to upgrade the defense?

I know it sounds silly after the guy went 10 for 155 but he was Hurts main target.  If he wasn't here, Smith and Goedert would get more targets and Watkins would have gotten a little love too.  Pascal has some talent to offer too.  The Eagles got it wrong with Reagor and JJAW but they have two young WR and a top TE who are only getting better in Smith, Watkins and Goedert.  Smith has elite potential and Watkins is a field stretcher.  Pascal offers that same big body as Brown over the middle. 

Either the Eagles are blind towards Hurts 1 read style or they are building this offense for a better QB who will spread the ball.

9 minutes ago, justrelax said:

No, they were not.

How not? Hurts has no ability to read the defense pre-snap. I think we had 2 delay of games yesterday, and I'd wager the majority of snaps came with less than 3 seconds on the play clock. And even then, taking as long as he did; he looked completely lost post snap. 

With all the pressure Detroit was putting on, why not make some quick throws to put them back on their heels? The answer is easy....Hurts wants the pressure. It gives him an excuse to tuck it and run.

17 carries for him yesterday. That number should never be approached by a QB, ever. It's ri-god-damn-diculous. And so by Hurts inviting pressure, it makes the o-line look far worse

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

How not? Hurts has no ability to read the defense pre-snap. I think we had 2 delay of games yesterday, and I'd wager the majority of snaps came with less than 3 seconds on the play clock. And even then, taking as long as he did; he looked completely lost post snap. 

With all the pressure Detroit was putting on, why not make some quick throws to put them back on their heels? The answer is easy....Hurts wants the pressure. It gives him an excuse to tuck it and run.  GET FREAKY

17 carries for him yesterday. That number should never be approached by a QB, ever. It's ri-god-damn-diculous. And so by Hurts inviting pressure, it makes the o-line look far worse

fixed.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Was AJ Brown a luxury the Eagles didn't need?  Was that a draft pick that could have been used to upgrade the defense?

I know it sounds silly after the guy went 10 for 155 but he was Hurts main target.  If he wasn't here, Smith and Goedert would get more targets and Watkins would have gotten a little love too.  Pascal has some talent to offer too.  The Eagles got it wrong with Reagor and JJAW but they have two young WR and a top TE who are only getting better in Smith, Watkins and Goedert.  Smith has elite potential and Watkins is a field stretcher.  Pascal offers that same big body as Brown over the middle. 

Either the Eagles are blind towards Hurts 1 read style or they are building this offense for a better QB who will spread the ball.

The move for Brown was 2 parts. One, for this year, it removes any further excuses for Hurts not improving as a passer. You can't say he doesn't have the weapons.

More importantly, when we move on from Hurts, the QB spot here becomes VERY enticing, as we have an excellent set of skill players. Brown is awesome, and well worth the pick and contract paid.

35 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Got these stats from Solak…

With Davis on the field for 14 run snaps, Detroit averaged 2.9 yards per rush. With him off the field, Detroit averaged 10 yards per carry. 

Marlon T … 3.2 on, 10.2 off 

Milton Williams … 3.1 on, 12.5 off.

So Cox/Hargrave were a total sieve. 

Jordan Davis is good. Who knew?

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

is this baseball now or is this a gambling thing?  Never heard of EPA and if that's a measuring stick for Hurts then we are really grasping here.

Those of us in the blog have used EPA for a while. It started with Chip Kelly's Eagles, as the counting stats showed a good offense, while the EPA was low because we ran a ton of plays that weren't effective. 

Jalen Hurts had the 9th most carries in the NFL yesterday.  Interesting to see that Patterson is a straight up RB for the Falcons now.  I always thought that could have been a way to salvage Reagor.

RK	PLAYER	TEAM	RESULT	CAR	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	FUM
1	Jonathan Taylor, RB	IND	T 20-20 at HOU	31	161	5.2	1	17	0
2	Joe Mixon, RB	CIN	L 23-20 vs. PIT	27	82	3.0	0	31	0
3	Nick Chubb, RB	CLE	W 26-24 at CAR	22	141	6.4	0	25	0
4	Cordarrelle Patterson, RB	ATL	L 27-26 vs. NO	22	120	5.5	1	15	0
5	Leonard Fournette, RB	TB	W 19-3 at DAL	21	127	6.0	0	17	0
6	Derrick Henry, RB	TEN	L 21-20 vs. NYG	21	82	3.9	0	18	0
7	Dalvin Cook, RB	MIN	W 23-7 vs. GB	20	90	4.5	0	16	0
8	Saquon Barkley, RB	NYG	W 21-20 at TEN	18	164	9.1	1	68	0
9	Jalen Hurts, QB	PHI	W 38-35 at DET	17	90	5.3	1	16	0
10	David Montgomery, RB	CHI	W 19-10 vs. SF	17	26	1.5	0	6	0

RBs had a combined 22 carries for 122 yards, a 5.72 ypc avg. 

So why in the hell is our "QB" running 17 times? And if they are bringing lots of pressure, why not run it down their throats at 5 yards a clip? That ought to slow down any pass rush? 

But no, let's blame the o-line for Hurts being trash

Just one game; easy to get lost in the small sample size.  It was a win, which is the good news.  JMO, the Eagles would have beaten 7 or 8 of the teams in the NFL yesterday -- DET just happens to be one of them.  A lot to clean up and improve on both sides of the ball. 

Next Monday night they host MIN, who looked very efficient on both sides of the football.  Going only on the two teams effort yesterday, the Eagles will lose next Monday night.  I have a lot more faith in the Vikings ability to slow down AJ Brown than I do the Eagles ability to slow down Justin Jefferson.  DeAndre Swift looked like Eric Dickerson yesterday against the Eagles defense, and Dalvin Cook is better than him.

Hurts is going to have to outplay Kirk Cousins next Monday.  Good news is it's a prime time game in front of a national audience, where Cousins historically doesn't play well.   

1 hour ago, Casey @ Bat said:

I actually was happy with Slay and Bradbury’s performance yesterday. Been awhile seeing Corners contesting WR’s. The Dline though Holy S___. Brutal, just brutal no other way to put it. 

That crossing pattern when Bradberry was in MES and a step behind Chalk could have been a killer but thankfully Goff threw it wide and Chalk couldn’t come up with it.  

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

How not? Hurts has no ability to read the defense pre-snap. I think we had 2 delay of games yesterday, and I'd wager the majority of snaps came with less than 3 seconds on the play clock. And even then, taking as long as he did; he looked completely lost post snap. 

With all the pressure Detroit was putting on, why not make some quick throws to put them back on their heels? The answer is easy....Hurts wants the pressure. It gives him an excuse to tuck it and run.

17 carries for him yesterday. That number should never be approached by a QB, ever. It's ri-god-damn-diculous. And so by Hurts inviting pressure, it makes the o-line look far worse

8 were designed runs - and yet he gained most of his rushing yards  the 9 times he ran when pressured.  The game planning was obviously designed with his mobility in mind.  

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Just one game; easy to get lost in the small sample size.  It was a win, which is the good news.  JMO, the Eagles would have beaten 7 or 8 of the teams in the NFL yesterday -- DET just happens to be one of them.  A lot to clean up and improve on both sides of the ball. 

We were easily a top half (Top 16) team yesterday.

There was lots of ugly, ugly football.

Just now, Ace Nova said:

8 were designed runs - and yet he gained most of his rushing yards  the 9 times he ran when pressured.  The game planning was obviously designed with his mobility in mind.  

How many of those "designed runs" did he check into himself? He's a selfish d-bag

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Here's one thing that killed me yesterday. 

Vick, Rodgers, Mcnabb, Josh Allen... you name it... When the scramble, they keep thier eyes down field and usually find guys for huge chunks/Touchdowns. 

Hurts didnt do that once. Thats how you crush a team on a blitz. Break the pocket, "jailbreak routes" and hang 50-60 yard gain on them. Hurts didnt do it once

Exactly what I said after the Baldinger video was shared.  Pressure, tuck, run.  No eyes downfield at all.  He could be DYNAMIC if he knew how to recompose himself and read a defense.

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

is this baseball now or is this a gambling thing?  Never heard of EPA and if that's a measuring stick for Hurts then we are really grasping here.

 

 

EPA has been around for awhile, it’s one of the most accurate analytics for measuring a QB’s impact on team success:

 

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

How many of those "designed runs" did he check into himself? He's a selfish d-bag

I can see you're on the fence with him ..... 

40 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Got these stats from Solak…

With Davis on the field for 14 run snaps, Detroit averaged 2.9 yards per rush. With him off the field, Detroit averaged 10 yards per carry. 

Marlon T … 3.2 on, 10.2 off 

Milton Williams … 3.1 on, 12.5 off.

So Cox/Hargrave were a total sieve. 

This cherry-picked stat on Davis is deceiving, I believe. I’ll try to put together my thoughts on why that is. Not picking on you; I think Solak was trying to suggest something that wasn’t there.

9 minutes ago, justrelax said:

No, they were not.

The OL seemed to hold up decently well on their 1 on 1 matchups for the most part (possible exception of Semualo). They just consistently seemed to bring more than we kept back and got to Hurts quick. 

Hurts and the OL had their own issues for sure, but I'm worried the scheme also played a big role too. You can't just watch 4 pass rusher sets bearing down on Hurts play after play and not make some kind of adjustment. 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

I can see you're on the fence with him ..... 

The super man celebration sealed it yesterday, it's all about him, always has been. 

Hey, I have one of the best o-lines in the league, but Imma dunk on them by inviting pressure and running it myself 17 times so my squirters can celebrate how I saved the day.

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

This cherry-picked stat on Davis is deceiving, I believe. I’ll try to put together my thoughts on why that is. Not picking on you; I think Solak was trying to suggest something that wasn’t there.

There is some noise, such as Davis in for short-yardage and Swift having that long run on drive 1...but on the TV copy the difference was noticeable. 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

How many of those "designed runs" did he check into himself? He's a selfish d-bag

lol ok.  You obviously have an extreme anti-Hurts agenda.

 Might be better to follow another team while he’s QB of the Eagles because if it brings you this much misery after a win - when he’s the main reason they won - not sure you’ll be enjoying many games this season. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

The one play, first quarter, Goedert had a step on his guy(probably 2 steps) and if Hurts hit him, DG is still probably running. 

Full disclosure, Hurts got the first down on a long run, but I'd rather have my TE running with the ball further down the field

The other throw to Brown, who literally threw the CB outta his way (which was hilarious), a good throw from Hurts and it's an easy TD. Nope, AJ has to scoop it off the turf for a decent gain, but disappointing. 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

lol ok.  You obviously have an extreme anti-Hurts agenda.

 Might be better to follow another team while he’s QB of the Eagles because it it brings you this much misery after a win - when he’s the main reason they won - not sure you’ll be enjoying many games this season. 

17 RUNS FOR A QB? How do you justify that? 

Can't see this happening, but I would gladly take a 2nd for Minshew.