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Vikings 34

Eagles 27

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Jefferson only has 2 TDs

9 minutes ago, blindside said:

I think everyone is trying to kick between different goal posts. I don’t care about week 1 Detroit goal posts. I’m trying to figure out the "do we have an NFL QB” goal posts. 

I've already accepted that Hurts can do enough to beat bad teams. We saw that last year. 

Very well said.  I would take that argument a step further. I don't think we have anything even close to agreement regarding what are the key attributes of what "an NFL QB" is.

Just FYI, the Vikings did not just beat the '85 Bears.

GB had no real WRs and they were missing both OTs. Also the Vikings got burnt deep on the first play and dude dropped the ball.

Respect them all you want but don't waste time being scared.

1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

Just FYI, the Vikings did not just beat the '85 Bears.

GB had no real WRs and they were missing both OTs. Also the Vikings got burnt deep on the first play and dude dropped the ball.

Respect them all you want but don't waste time being scared.

I’m not playing so why should I be scared. The only time I’ve wasted recently is your mumbo jumbo rant last week on how McNabb sucked and was the sole reason we didn’t win a Super Bowl 

16 minutes ago, Eagz said:

Was a tough second half for Geno but overall happy for him.

Your very first post and you use on it Geno Smith. Welcome.

Geno Smith is officially in the lead for league MVP.

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

Your very first post and you use on it Geno Smith. Welcome.

Haha I got plenty in reserve for the birds in the weeks to come. Keeping positive vibes here and expecting a more polished performance against the Vikings for sure. Thanks btw

28 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’m not playing so why should I be scared. The only time I’ve wasted recently is your mumbo jumbo rant last week on how McNabb sucked and was the sole reason we didn’t win a Super Bowl 

1st, you must have missed all the doom and gloom predictions.

2nd, I never said he was the sole reason (LJ fumbled in the SB so that's something, I guess. 1 turnover vs 13) I said he was a playoff anchor and he was.

13 turnovers in those 5 losses is not opinion.

 

 

McNabb's 5 NFCCGs and 1 SB extrapolated to a 16 game season: (also not opinion)

344 of 600  57.33% 3802 yards 24 TDs 24 picks 72.93 rating with 59 rushes for 310 yards and 3 TDs with 45 sacks 16 fumbles and 11 fumbles lost.

You know. a wonderful 35 turnover pace in the 6 biggest games of his career. How could we ever find fault there?

10 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Geno Smith is officially in the lead for league MVP.

With a name like Geno you would think he makes not so good sandwiches or somethin. 😏

Who's getting that spot that DB vacated? 

13 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Very well said.  I would take that argument a step further. I don't think we have anything even close to agreement regarding what are the key attributes of what "an NFL QB" is.

I think everyone agrees what attributes make great NFL QBs. When you look at the current great NFL QBs, I think everyone can agree who they are. Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Stafford. That’s 8. So, 1/4 of NFL teams have a great QB. Understandably, that’s a lot to ask for us. But what traits do all those guys possess? Running ability is not one of them. 
 

Now, in the second tier of good QBs you have guys like Cousins, Carr, Watson, Dak, Murray, Ryan, Tannehill ?, Baker? The next 8 gets quite a bit weaker, but all guys that have had some success. After that it gets pretty ugly. So half of NFL teams don’t have very good QBs. 
 

I get that it takes some luck to get into that top 8 range and being in that next tier might be considered QB purgatory. And QB purgatory is not where I want to be. 
 

Right now, in today’s NFL, unless you have a dominant defense, no QB without a descent passing acumen has any chance at beating teams with top QBs without a lot of luck and them having an abysmal defense. At some point, in all likelihood, a QB will have to put the team on his arm to win a couple playoff games. I don’t think that’s controversial. 
 

An NFL QB needs to be able to make assessments pre-snap, know the play, know what the defense is in, process quickly, go through progressions and make accurate throws. All the good NFL QBs can do that. They’re not all fast, they don’t all have huge arms, they’re not all tall. But they can all do those things.

20 minutes ago, Eagz said:

Haha I got plenty in reserve for the birds in the weeks to come. Keeping positive vibes here and expecting a more polished performance against the Vikings for sure. Thanks btw

Good luck 

If Hurts were a backup quarterback I’d be happy with how he played yesterday. As a potential franchise QB? Not good enough. You don’t beat playoff teams the way he played yesterday, and if he can’t do that then what’s the point?

I think its more art than science for good QB play. The job is to get the most out of your team.

Sometimes it means outscoring in a shootout.

Sometimes it means surviving a beating or a monsoon better than the other guy. (Foles > Ryan in the wind tunnel vs Atlanta)

Manning was better at getting beat up than Cam in SB L (50) so his team won. Both defenses were awesome but Cam was terrible.

 

Sometimes its winning a game with a 4th quarter drive even on a personal mediocre or bad day  (Burrow almost did this even though his stats were trash (missed xp))

Stafford is not always good, even last year, but he does have 45 GWDs including 7 last year (4 regular 3 playoffs)

 

Its not fair to look to guys like Brady or Rodgers and say I want that! because no one else is Brady or Rodgers.

 

Here is what I want from Hurts this year. Be better as a passer in October, and November, and again in January. (game reps, and practice, and chemistry)

Do whatever you can to win games with a soft schedule to get a home playoff game ( I'd prefer the bye, I'm greedy and the NFC is a mess)

Don't be the reason the Eagles lose games.

 

I will also accept him being so awful in September that Minshew gets the job and they don't have to pay Hurts. 

They can draft someone next year in that case.

The last thing I want from Hurts is to be Dak 2.0 where he kills bad teams and gets 45 million a year and gives us 1 playoff win in 7 years.

7 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

I think its more art than science for good QB play. The job is to get the most out of your team.

Sometimes it means outscoring in a shootout.

Sometimes it means surviving a beating or a monsoon better than the other guy. (Foles > Ryan in the wind tunnel vs Atlanta)

Manning was better at getting beat up than Cam in SB L (50) so his team won. Both defenses were awesome but Cam was terrible.

 

Sometimes its winning a game with a 4th quarter drive even on a personal mediocre or bad day  (Burrow almost did this even though his stats were trash (missed xp))

Stafford is not always good, even last year, but he does have 45 GWDs including 7 last year (4 regular 3 playoffs)

 

Its not fair to look to guys like Brady or Rodgers and say I want that! because no one else is Brady or Rodgers.

 

Here is what I want from Hurts this year. Be better as a passer in October, and November, and again in January. (game reps, and practice, and chemistry)

Do whatever you can to win games with a soft schedule to get a home playoff game ( I'd prefer the bye, I'm greedy and the NFC is a mess)

Don't be the reason the Eagles lose games.

 

I will also accept him being so awful in September that Minshew gets the job and they don't have to pay Hurts. 

They can draft someone next year in that case.

The last thing I want from Hurts is to be Dak 2.0 where he kills bad teams and gets 45 million a year and gives us 1 playoff win in 7 years.

If Hurts was anywhere close to Dak’s level, I wouldn’t have given myself arthritis from typing on my phone all night. 

1 hour ago, blindside said:

I think everyone is trying to kick between different goal posts. I don’t care about week 1 Detroit goal posts. I’m trying to figure out the "do we have an NFL QB” goal posts. 
 

Ive already accepted that Hurts can do enough to beat bad teams. We saw that last year. 

Agreed

2 minutes ago, blindside said:

If Hurts was anywhere close to Dak’s level, I wouldn’t have given myself arthritis from typing on my phone all night. 

Dak is 35th out of 35 QBs this year.

 

Since the start of 2017 he is 16-1 against DC and NY and 24-29 against everyone else.

He peaked in 2016.

Dak is mediocrity with a whole lot of Cowboys QB1 hype.

 

Just now, SkippyX said:

Dak is 35th out of 35 QBs this year.

 

Since the start of 2017 he is 16-1 against DC and NY and 24-29 against everyone else.

He peaked in 2016.

Dak is mediocrity with a whole lot of Cowboys QB1 hype.

 

He’s a way better QB than Hurts, though 

Lets say we get in a close playoff game this year and Hurts runs the ball up the middle with 14 seconds left and the clock runs out.

How bad would you crush him?

5 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Lets say we get in a close playoff game this year and Hurts runs the ball up the middle with 14 seconds left and the clock runs out.

How bad would you crush him?

I wouldn’t crush him at all. That’s his bread and butter. I would crush the FO and coaching staff for not seeing the obvious and for coddling his limitations, and would probably troll fans that couldn’t see it coming by talking about how good he was against a Detroit week one. 
 

But that’s kinda my whole thing. We draft a guy, who is clearly a running QB, a round early. We stick him in at the end of the season. He has an abysmal completion percentage, but wins a game or two. He gets the starting job the next year, displays the same old issues he had in college. Runs against a bunch of bad teams to sneak in the playoffs, then gets exposed in the playoffs. 
 

Then we have this whole offseason of debate where we’re told that this is the big offseason. A year under the new system and coach, a new QB trainer who worked with Brady, better mechanics, paying rent every day and really working on progressions... 

And week one comes and it’s the same exact old ish. And people are like "but shut up, we won!” And it’s like, did we? To me, winning would be seeing progress from our QB. I thought that’s what everyone agreed we were gonna see, or at least supposed to see. We see possibly even regression, and yet we’re all supposed to be excited because we beat the Lions?  Not me, homie. I had to drive 30 mins each way to watch that garbage. I couldn’t care any less about beating the Lions week one. I just wanted to see development. But I didn’t. I saw a guy revert to what he knows, only with a new security blanket at WR. So just a comfy blanket of unsustainable crap. And instead of being challenged to do work through adversity and gain skill, we saw a coaching staff warm the comfy blanket for him and fluff his f-ing pillow. I find it extremely bothersome (clearly) and I can’t figure out how anyone, who cares enough about this team enough to post on a message board, doesn’t. 

Dak is great at putting up 330 yard 4 TD games when the other team is overmatched.

If you need a guy to throw 6 TDs against backups, go for Dak.

Hurts also kills overmatched teams so far but without the pretty passing stats.

Hurts is not worth 40-45 million right now. Neither is Dak.

 

I'm not saying Hurts is as good as or as polished a passer as Dak is now. I am saying if his ceiling is Dak and the Eagles pay him its going to be a bad 5 years.

2 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Dak is great at putting up 330 yard 4 TD games when the other team is overmatched.

If you need a guy to throw 6 TDs against backups, go for Dak.

Hurts also kills overmatched teams so far but without the pretty passing stats.

Hurts is not worth 40-45 million right now. Neither is Dak.

 

I'm not saying Hurts is as good as or as polished a passer as Dak is now. I am saying if his ceiling is Dak and the Eagles pay him its going to be a bad 5 years.

I don’t disagree. I just don’t think Hurts’ ceiling is quite Dak. Dak can make the plays Hurts physically can’t, and they’re about equal in terms of running ability. Hurts might have a little more wiggle. 

10 minutes ago, blindside said:

I don’t disagree. I just don’t think Hurts’ ceiling is quite Dak. Dak can make the plays Hurts physically can’t, and they’re about equal in terms of running ability. Hurts might have a little more wiggle. 

"Hurts has a weak arm" is easily the worst anti-Hurts take.

No, I don't think he's "the guy" either. But I try to be reasonable with my criticism.

12 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

"Hurts has a weak arm" is easily the worst anti-Hurts take.

No, I don't think he's "the guy" either. But I try to be reasonable with my criticism.

Can he chuck it down the field in a straight line? Sure, once in a while. Can he continually make tough throws that need to be done in order to win a Super Bowl? No. Can he progress through WR? No, which is why one WR had all the catches yesterday. Can he read a defense and make adjustments? No, outside of tucking it and running.

 

danny dimes in the running for league mvp….

Peyton manning was everyone in America