2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Gonna be a long Monday night for Gannon. 

We’re fine, this is why Reddick was dropping into coverage so much during training camp. 

Lol they are going to kill him 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Lol they are going to kill him 

 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There was never a question about whether or not he could play the slot.  The question was always if that was ALL he could do.  That answer is 'no'.  He is more than a slot.   

But, the fact that he lit up LBs and Safeties isn't surprising.   The fact that the OC also gameplanned ways to get him those matchups also isn't surprising.  Its what good coaches do.  You gameplan to find mismatches for your best players.   If only our coaches did that.

Devonte Smith 4 Targets Quez Watkins zero targets Hurts 17 runs is not a playoff winning formula,

Sure it's good enough to barely beat the lions of the league but come playoff time we've seen over and over again that running qbs dont win in the playoffs.

Not encouraging stuff from hurts and Siri/steichen that give me any reason to believe will be any better than last year 

Honestly reminds me of Tebow in Denver 👎

So everyone was blowing Howie for his great off season, and here we are, not looking so good.

 

Reddick was gonna boost a pass rush that lacked last year, did he even play Sunday ??

1 year Band-Aids all over the defense, the tackling by all of them was atrocious.

AJ Brown, good so far, lets see how it is when they roll coverage and take him away.

Davis, made a huge difference in the game, but if he is only playing 20 snaps, not worth a 1st round pick.

Dean, the STEAL of the draft, MIA.

The strength of the team, the vaunted offensive line, looked lost all day.

 

The coaches better sort this out quickly, as the weakest team we play the first 5 weeks just hung 35 points on us.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Lol they are going to kill him 

I mean it's not like a broken thumb on your throwning hand impacts your game as a QB.  He actually will probably throw better now.  

Just now, NCiggles said:

I mean it's not like a broken thumb on your throwning hand impacts your game as a QB.  He actually will probably throw better now.  

The surgery actually just switched his good thumb to his throwing hand. He’ll be fine. 

9 hours ago, blindside said:

I think everyone agrees what attributes make great NFL QBs. When you look at the current great NFL QBs, I think everyone can agree who they are. Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Stafford. That’s 8. So, 1/4 of NFL teams have a great QB. Understandably, that’s a lot to ask for us. But what traits do all those guys possess? Running ability is not one of them. 
 

Now, in the second tier of good QBs you have guys like Cousins, Carr, Watson, Dak, Murray, Ryan, Tannehill ?, Baker? The next 8 gets quite a bit weaker, but all guys that have had some success. After that it gets pretty ugly. So half of NFL teams don’t have very good QBs. 
 

I get that it takes some luck to get into that top 8 range and being in that next tier might be considered QB purgatory. And QB purgatory is not where I want to be. 
 

Right now, in today’s NFL, unless you have a dominant defense, no QB without a descent passing acumen has any chance at beating teams with top QBs without a lot of luck and them having an abysmal defense. At some point, in all likelihood, a QB will have to put the team on his arm to win a couple playoff games. I don’t think that’s controversial. 
 

An NFL QB needs to be able to make assessments pre-snap, know the play, know what the defense is in, process quickly, go through progressions and make accurate throws. All the good NFL QBs can do that. They’re not all fast, they don’t all have huge arms, they’re not all tall. But they can all do those things.

Rodgers and Brady are close to the end, Rodgers doesn't have Adams anymore. Wilson is not a top QB anymore.

Stafford is not a great QB, he's playing well in the right situation, but he makes his share of bone headed plays.

Allen has great physical skills but is erratic, Burrow had a great run, do it again. Seen too many one year wonders to anoint him.

Basically, Mahomes and Hebert (who missed the playoffs last year) and a bunch of guys rising and falling.

There's always a very small group that can be considered elite (i.e. play at a very high level for an extended, 3-4+ year period), and a second group that's very good (might have one elite season before falling back to earth), and a third group that's solid but need a good team around them to win. People tend to fall prey to recency bias (Burrow is a good example) and ignore how variable performance is for most QBs year to year - sustaining excellence is hard - have a big season and every DC is focused on stopping you.

That’s good to hear. 

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

So everyone was blowing Howie for his great off season, and here we are, not looking so good.

 

Reddick was gonna boost a pass rush that lacked last year, did he even play Sunday ??

1 year Band-Aids all over the defense, the tackling by all of them was atrocious.

AJ Brown, good so far, lets see how it is when they roll coverage and take him away.

Davis, made a huge difference in the game, but if he is only playing 20 snaps, not worth a 1st round pick.

Dean, the STEAL of the draft, MIA.

The strength of the team, the vaunted offensive line, looked lost all day.

 

The coaches better sort this out quickly, as the weakest team we play the first 5 weeks just hung 35 points on us.

It was a good offseason. Coaches will be fired if they cant get results with this roster.

Wentz out there throwing Dimes all over the field...

 

 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The surgery actually just switched his good thumb to his throwing hand. He’ll be fine. 

Did Dr. Nick do the surgery?

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

So everyone was blowing Howie for his great off season, and here we are, not looking so good.

 

Reddick was gonna boost a pass rush that lacked last year, did he even play Sunday ??

1 year Band-Aids all over the defense, the tackling by all of them was atrocious.

AJ Brown, good so far, lets see how it is when they roll coverage and take him away.

Davis, made a huge difference in the game, but if he is only playing 20 snaps, not worth a 1st round pick.

Dean, the STEAL of the draft, MIA.

The strength of the team, the vaunted offensive line, looked lost all day.

 

The coaches better sort this out quickly, as the weakest team we play the first 5 weeks just hung 35 points on us.

That sounds like a coaching issue, not a Howie problem. 

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Rodgers and Brady are close to the end, Rodgers doesn't have Adams anymore. Wilson is not a top QB anymore.

Stafford is not a great QB, he's playing well in the right situation, but he makes his share of bone headed plays.

Allen has great physical skills but is erratic, Burrow had a great run, do it again. Seen too many one year wonders to anoint him.

Basically, Mahomes and Hebert (who missed the playoffs last year) and a bunch of guys rising and falling.

There's always a very small group that can be considered elite (i.e. play at a very high level for an extended, 3-4+ year period), and a second group that's very good (might have one elite season before falling back to earth), and a third group that's solid but need a good team around them to win. People tend to fall prey to recency bias (Burrow is a good example) and ignore how variable performance is for most QBs year to year - sustaining excellence is hard - have a big season and every DC is focused on stopping you.

Yea, Josh Allen actually isn’t good at all. Great point. Maybe Bills should trade him. 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, Josh Allen actually isn’t good at all. Great point. Maybe Bills should trade him. 

He's erratic! 

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

That sounds like a coaching issue, not a Howie problem. 

yep. that was what we call a major reach.

All this Geno Smith chatter and he threw for less than 200 yards with 0 points in the 2nd half. 

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Rodgers and Brady are close to the end, Rodgers doesn't have Adams anymore. Wilson is not a top QB anymore.

Stafford is not a great QB, he's playing well in the right situation, but he makes his share of bone headed plays.

Allen has great physical skills but is erratic, Burrow had a great run, do it again. Seen too many one year wonders to anoint him.

Basically, Mahomes and Hebert (who missed the playoffs last year) and a bunch of guys rising and falling.

There's always a very small group that can be considered elite (i.e. play at a very high level for an extended, 3-4+ year period), and a second group that's very good (might have one elite season before falling back to earth), and a third group that's solid but need a good team around them to win. People tend to fall prey to recency bias (Burrow is a good example) and ignore how variable performance is for most QBs year to year - sustaining excellence is hard - have a big season and every DC is focused on stopping you.

I will make an avatar bet with you that 6 of the 7 QB's here are in the playoffs.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

So everyone was blowing Howie for his great off season, and here we are, not looking so good.

 

Reddick was gonna boost a pass rush that lacked last year, did he even play Sunday ??

1 year Band-Aids all over the defense, the tackling by all of them was atrocious.

AJ Brown, good so far, lets see how it is when they roll coverage and take him away.

Davis, made a huge difference in the game, but if he is only playing 20 snaps, not worth a 1st round pick.

Dean, the STEAL of the draft, MIA.

The strength of the team, the vaunted offensive line, looked lost all day.

 

The coaches better sort this out quickly, as the weakest team we play the first 5 weeks just hung 35 points on us.

Howie had a good offseason.  I don't think he was involved in the defensive game plan.  Davis was certainly worth the pick and should be starting.  Band aids at starting positions and short term players are always part of roster building.  Every team has turnover at starting positions. The offensive line had an up and down game.  They were bad with some protection calls but RBs had nice open lanes.   I would expect the protection issues to get fixed.  

The big concern is that Gannon has no clue.  He cannot scheme.  He lacks experience to make good defensive calls.  This isn't a talent issue. This is about personnel usage and scheme.  Last season they had the most snaps agains 11 personnel in a base defense which made them susceptible passing attacks and frankly put more personnel at their least talented position on the field.  Against Detroit, they seemed to stay in a 4-2-5 look and he was scared to bring pressure as a consequence they looked bad against the run and gave up long drives.  Gannon should have been in a base 3-4 more given that he actually has more talent at LB and OLB.  He has 2 decent NG and Cox and Hargrave as DEs makes them better able to play one gap.  On the 50 yard Swift run if they were in a 3-4 the Sam would have been on the side Swift ran to and better able to fill the gap left by Hockenson when he made the Wham block on Hargrave. 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

All this Geno Smith chatter and he threw for less than 200 yards with 0 points in the 2nd half. 

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/stats/geno-smith-jalen-hurts.php

82.1% completion ratio, but he should have ran 11 more times

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, Josh Allen actually isn’t good at all. Great point. Maybe Bills should trade him. 

I would take him for a 4th. I mean if the Bills send Allen and a 4th to the Eagles.  

The Bills might as well start the Josh Allen to H-back conversion...

11 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Wentz out there throwing Dimes all over the field...

 

 

Yup, Wentz has elite Arm talent, he can make every throw and he's an aggressive down field passer sometimes to the detriment of his team and self.

Hurts can't make alot if those down field throws and doesn't.

Wentz wasn't kicked to the curb here and in Indy  because he lacks the Arm talent to play in the league, it was other circumstantial stuff that led to his departures.

That commander team is going to be a tough out, their D line is stacked and that offense can make some big plays.

 

Just now, Utebird said:

Yup, Wentz has elite Arm talent, he can make every throw and he's an aggressive down field passer sometimes to the detriment of his team and self.

Hurts can't make alot if those down field throws and doesn't.

Wentz wasn't kicked to the curb here and in Indy  because he lacks the Arm talent to play in the league, it was other circumstantial stuff that led to his departures.

That commander team is going to be a tough out, their D line is stacked and that offense can make some big plays.

 

Wentz has his best group of WRs, ever.

Alshon was good in 2017, but #2 was Torrey Smith. 

He might end up continuing his turnover machine ways. But he also might have a major resurgence with that offense.