If Josh Allen is erratic and a wait and see, then wtf is Hurts?? Epileptic schizophrenic??

1 minute ago, UndyTaker said:

If Josh Allen is erratic and a wait and see, then wtf is Hurts?? Epileptic schizophrenic??

Consistently underwhelming 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Wentz has his best group of WRs, ever.

Alshon was good in 2017, but #2 was Torrey Smith. 

He might end up continuing his turnover machine ways. But he also might have a major resurgence with that offense.

Funny thing with Wentz is he doesn't throw a ton of ints but he's a fumble machine, at least has been in the past, and when he does throw a pic it's always at the worst time.

He's got the WRs and targets in Washington to be the gun slinger he's always wanted to be.

One of the qbs he idolized growing up was favre, favre was also a turn over machine with an elite arm, difference was favre was super durable.

I could realistically see the commanders sweep the eagles and win the division and Tate melt down but I'd be glad because at least we could stop with this hurts nonsense and get a real QB, not a RB playing QB 

17 carries is ridiculous.

3 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Consistently underwhelming 

Except for when he needs to dodge blitzing linemen that nobody has bothered to block.

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I will make an avatar bet with you that 6 of the 7 QB's here are in the playoffs.

Given that there are 10-12 bad QBs, and 12 teams make the playoffs, I'd say that's to be expected.

Though I'm not sure about GB. The other teams should make the POs, though in some cases as much do to defense as the QB.

People throw around the terms "elite" and "Brilliant" and water them down - either elite means just that, which means only a few qualify, or it's just a way of saying above average.

Wentz had an elite season in 2017, but that didn't make him an elite QB. Burrows had a very good season last year, now do it again.

Stafford led the league in interceptions. He was as good in Detroit, which just shows you how much the talent around you impacts a QB.

15 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Howie had a good offseason.  I don't think he was involved in the defensive game plan.  Davis was certainly worth the pick and should be starting.  Band aids at starting positions and short term players are always part of roster building.  Every team has turnover at starting positions. The offensive line had an up and down game.  They were bad with some protection calls but RBs had nice open lanes.   I would expect the protection issues to get fixed.  

The big concern is that Gannon has no clue.  He cannot scheme.  He lacks experience to make good defensive calls.  This isn't a talent issue. This is about personnel usage and scheme.  Last season they had the most snaps agains 11 personnel in a base defense which made them susceptible passing attacks and frankly put more personnel at their least talented position on the field.  Against Detroit, they seemed to stay in a 4-2-5 look and he was scared to bring pressure as a consequence they looked bad against the run and gave up long drives.  Gannon should have been in a base 3-4 more given that he actually has more talent at LB and OLB.  He has 2 decent NG and Cox and Hargrave as DEs makes them better able to play one gap.  On the 50 yard Swift run if they were in a 3-4 the Sam would have been on the side Swift ran to and better able to fill the gap left by Hockenson when he made the Wham block on Hargrave. 

While Gannon is an issue, the defensive line was physically man handled in the running game unless Davis was in the game, and they got literally no pressure on Goff.

 

 

And then we talk up Jeff Stoutland as the best OL coach in the league, and his group was a mess in the second half.  They were not getting beat because a guy made a great play against them, they straight blew assignments and let guys come through clean.

 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Given that there are 10-12 bad QBs, and 12 teams make the playoffs, I'd say that's to be expected.

Though I'm not sure about GB. The other teams should make the POs, though in some cases as much do to defense as the QB.

People throw around the terms "elite" and "Brilliant" and water them down - either elite means just that, which means only a few qualify, or it's just a way of saying above average.

Wentz had an elite season in 2017, but that didn't make him an elite QB. Burrows had a very good season last year, now do it again.

Stafford led the league in interceptions. He was as good in Detroit, which just shows you how much the talent around you impacts a QB.

So you trash all these guys, and then when challenged you agree they will all make the playoffs 

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Eagles 28, Vikings 24

I'm hopeful that  1) Week 2 in the NFL is a departure from the bad tackling of Week 1, and   2) The Eagles will play better defense at home

Game bonus prediction -- Hurts carries the ball more than 12 times.

Want to rewatch this in all-22.

16 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

Except for when he needs to dodge blitzing linemen that nobody has bothered to block.

Yeah that's it Hurts ran 17 times because his o line wasn't blocking ...

Most qbs beat the blitz with their arms, when a defense sends a blitz a competent QB can identify where the blitz came from and throw to the open man, Hurts Instead if identifying blitzes and open spots just drops his eyes tucks and runs and rarely looks to throw once he's taken off.

This isn't a winning formula in the NFL, never has been, it might work in college and against teams like the lions but come playoff time it's never worked in the history of the league 

Qbs need to be able to win with their arms, not their feet and so far hurts hasn't shown he can.

Devonte Smith had 4 Targets, Watkins had zero, 4 Targets between your 2 and 3 WR while having your qb have 17 rushes isn't going to cut it.

We'll see if steichen and hurts can make adjustments but we havent seen it yet so I don't expect much Improvement.

Hurts is what he is, a run first QB with a very mediocre arm, and that doesn't win a lot of important games in the league.☹️

15 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

If Josh Allen is erratic and a wait and see, then wtf is Hurts?? Epileptic schizophrenic??

Calm down, it took Geno 7 rookie seasons

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

While Gannon is an issue, the defensive line was physically man handled in the running game unless Davis was in the game, and they got literally no pressure on Goff.

 

 

And then we talk up Jeff Stoutland as the best OL coach in the league, and his group was a mess in the second half.  They were not getting beat because a guy made a great play against them, they straight blew assignments and let guys come through clean.

 

Yup Cox and Hargrave we're awful, Reddick was mis used, Tui was over used, Davis under used, Milton meh, graham actually played ok in limited snaps.

I don't think Gannon knows what the eff he's doing, his personnel pairings in his different fronts have been all over the place and all in effective.

I think he and the players would be better suited following the KISS method 

Keep it stupid simple.

Our # 2-4 WR's had 5 combined targets this weekend.

89 players in the NFL had at least 5 targets this weekend.

Yeah, Goedert and Smitty are gonna be fine with that all year 

15 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

Except for when he needs to dodge blitzing linemen that nobody has bothered to block.

so you dont like the o line

1 minute ago, olsilverhair said:

so you dont like the o line

Correct. Our O Line made mistakes last game.

It was loud. Difficult to communicate.

But they need to clean that up.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Our # 2-4 WR's had 5 combined targets this weekend.

89 players in the NFL had at least 5 targets this weekend.

Yeah, Goedert and Smitty are gonna be fine with that all year 

Yup watkins had zero targets.

When brown was traded for many including me wondered if hurts would be able to distribute the ball the the weapons he now has.

After week one the answer is no 

4 Targets for Smith zero for Watkins 17 runs for hurts isn't a functional sustainable offense 

 

16 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Given that there are 10-12 bad QBs, and 12 teams make the playoffs, I'd say that's to be expected.

Though I'm not sure about GB. The other teams should make the POs, though in some cases as much do to defense as the QB.

People throw around the terms "elite" and "Brilliant" and water them down - either elite means just that, which means only a few qualify, or it's just a way of saying above average.

Wentz had an elite season in 2017, but that didn't make him an elite QB. Burrows had a very good season last year, now do it again.

Stafford led the league in interceptions. He was as good in Detroit, which just shows you how much the talent around you impacts a QB.

Not sure what you have against Burrow.

Rookie year, he put up 264/404 for 2688 yards, with a 13-5 TD/INT ratio. In 10 games. Then his knee got mangled. 

2nd year, they bring in Chase, his numbers explode to 366/520, 4611, 34/14. 

That's the kind of jump you want to see from your QB from his rookie year to his 2nd year.

Instead, we have Jalen Hurts, who will struggle to hit even 20 TDs this year (he currently has 21 passing TDs in 21 starts). They are not the same. 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Not sure what you have against Burrow.

Yeah, who likes a QB who gets to the Super Bowl, those guys are horrible.

Just now, downundermike said:

Yeah, who likes a QB who gets to the Super Bowl, those guys are horrible.

Honestly it reads exactly like his argument against Mahomes...he wasn't proven....until all of a sudden, he passed afan's test, however arbitrary it may be. 

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That was one of the dumbest ends to a game ever.  They were settling for a ridiculously long FG, and killing the clock so that Seattle wouldn't have time left IF they made the kick. They had 3 timeouts and nearly a minute.  Call a timeout, get a good play to convert and make it a more reasonable FG attempt.

First 100 percent agree with you. One of the most irritating (just from a football fan perspective with coaching) and dumbest endings I’ve seen in a while. I don’t know if the broncos have an analytics guy (I’m guessing they do cause i think all NFL teams nowadays do) or what the hell he was doing at that time but I’m betting the analytics say Russell Wilson calling a timeout right after Williams catch and the broncos picking up 5 yards on 4th down to help them get closer into field goal range to win the game has a much higher percentage than running down the clock and hoping to make a 64 yard field goal on the road.

That said Hackett has been in the league for a while. Even as a rookie HC it’s a really horrible handling clock management and decision making late in that game. In the afc the margin of error to make the playoffs is much lower in the afc than the nfc. It’s only week 1 but with how stacked the AFC is that ending might be the difference between making and missing the playoffs at the end of the year 

35 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

How much is that due to Davis vs being in redzone packages?

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

How much is that due to Davis vs being in redzone packages?

Yeah a better stat would be plays outside of the redzone 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

How much is that due to Davis vs being in redzone packages?

Doesn’t answer your question but our red zone defense in general was atrocious. The lions were 4-4 in converting inside the red zone. This was a huge problem last year. We were 29th in the league at 66.15%. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Doesn’t answer your question but our red zone defense in general was atrocious. The lions were 4-4 in converting inside the red zone. This was a huge problem last year. We were 29th in the league at 66.15%. 

DET was 25th in the league last year scoring 19 points per game; very concerning the Eagles D allowed them 35 points on 5 TDs and no FG.  4-4 in red zone, plus the 22-yard TD pass over Slay.

Gannon is one of these DCs who employs a defense that allows yards between the 20s with the two deep S looks, and the design of this defensive scheme is not to allow TDs.  As you pointed out, the Eagles have been poor in the red zone as well under Gannon, and 5 TDs without making the opposition even try a FG is very concerning.