1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

DET was 25th in the league last year scoring 19 points per game; very concerning the Eagles D allowed them 35 points on 5 TDs and no FG.  4-4 in red zone, plus the 22-yard TD pass over Slay.

Gannon is one of these DCs who employs a defense that allows yards between the 20s with the two deep S looks, and the design of this defensive scheme is not to allow TDs.  As you pointed out, the Eagles have been poor in the red zone as well under Gannon, and 5 TDs without making the opposition even try a FG is very concerning.

Gannon sucks. Time for Fangio

16 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

One of them was declined, so they weren't both accepted, but the ref had discretion to eject the player in the situation.

I know that.I was questioning why one had to be declined since one was during the play and one after the play.

Just now, BigEFly said:

I know that.I was questioning why one had to be declined since one was during the play and one after the play.

That I don’t know. I thought both could be enforced. Kind of reminded me of McDougle kicking the flag in Tampa in 06. I believe both his fouls were enforced. 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I know that.I was questioning why one had to be declined since one was during the play and one after the play.

Yeah I raised the issue during the game. Both penalties should have been enforced. Week 1 for the refs too, I guess. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, Josh Allen actually isn’t good at all. Great point. Maybe Bills should trade him. 

Allen and mahomes are unproven. And herbert missed the playoffs as he led his offense to scoring 30 points per game vs. playoff teams. Clearly also unproven. Burrow playing behind one of the worst offensive lines in the league that gave up 9 sacks in a playoff game and 19 times in 4 games was a major factor in turning that franchise around and getting to a SB for the first time in over 30+ years.

At this point I have really no issues with people wanting to defend hurts and believing in him. If you believe he can be as good as those guys and help the eagles win a SB more power to them. It’s going to be decided when we play better teams this year and when we run into a team like tampa in the playoffs again. That said I have issues with bad hot takes. especially when i get told by someone who i don’t think watches other teams closely enough as he told me one year the Texans had a top 10 offensive line and it was nearly special with Deshaun. Meanwhile espn pass and run block win rate they’ve been bottom 1/3 every year watson has been in the league. And ranked bottom 1/3 by pff every year. 

10 hours ago, blindside said:

I think everyone agrees what attributes make great NFL QBs. When you look at the current great NFL QBs, I think everyone can agree who they are. Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Stafford. That’s 8. So, 1/4 of NFL teams have a great QB. Understandably, that’s a lot to ask for us. But what traits do all those guys possess? Running ability is not one of them. 
 

Now, in the second tier of good QBs you have guys like Cousins, Carr, Watson, Dak, Murray, Ryan, Tannehill ?, Baker? The next 8 gets quite a bit weaker, but all guys that have had some success. After that it gets pretty ugly. So half of NFL teams don’t have very good QBs. 
 

I get that it takes some luck to get into that top 8 range and being in that next tier might be considered QB purgatory. And QB purgatory is not where I want to be. 
 

Right now, in today’s NFL, unless you have a dominant defense, no QB without a descent passing acumen has any chance at beating teams with top QBs without a lot of luck and them having an abysmal defense. At some point, in all likelihood, a QB will have to put the team on his arm to win a couple playoff games. I don’t think that’s controversial. 
 

An NFL QB needs to be able to make assessments pre-snap, know the play, know what the defense is in, process quickly, go through progressions and make accurate throws. All the good NFL QBs can do that. They’re not all fast, they don’t all have huge arms, they’re not all tall. But they can all do those things.

Your bolded words show a distinct "recency bias." 

Further, looking at your first 8 ... Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Stafford ... there is a significant amount of variation in their traits.  For example, how similar are the traits of Brady and Mahomes?   How similar are the traits of Allen and Stafford?  How about Wilson and Herbert?   Arguably your 8 are closer to two groups of 4 rather than a single group of 8. With Brady, Rodgers, Stafford and Burrow in one group of 4 and Allen, Wilson, Mahomes and Herbert in the other group of 4.

I stand by my original point. We don't agree on what a "great QB" is.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

Your bolded words show a distinct "recency bias." 

Further, looking at your first 8 ... Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Stafford ... there is a significant amount of variation in their traits.  For example, how similar are the traits of Brady and Mahomes?   How similar are the traits of Allen and Stafford?  How about Wilson and Herbert?   Arguably your 8 are closer to two groups of 4 rather than a single group of 8. With Brady, Rodgers, Stafford and Burrow in one group of 4 and Allen, Wilson, Mahomes and Herbert in the other group of 4.

I stand by my original point. We don't agree on what a "great QB" is.

I think you should focus on between-group variation and not on within-group variation.

9 hours ago, blindside said:

I don’t disagree. I just don’t think Hurts’ ceiling is quite Dak. Dak can make the plays Hurts physically can’t, and they’re about equal in terms of running ability. Hurts might have a little more wiggle. 

When Dak was in his second/third year we didn't think Dak's ceiling was as high as Dak's current ceiling is.  With that said, your point makes sense.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Your bolded words show a distinct "recency bias." 

Further, looking at your first 8 ... Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Stafford ... there is a significant amount of variation in their traits.  For example, how similar are the traits of Brady and Mahomes?   How similar are the traits of Allen and Stafford?  How about Wilson and Herbert?   Arguably your 8 are closer to two groups of 4 rather than a single group of 8. With Brady, Rodgers, Stafford and Burrow in one group of 4 and Allen, Wilson, Mahomes and Herbert in the other group of 4.

I stand by my original point. We don't agree on what a "great QB" is.

Every single great quarterback that’s ever played football has thrown the ball accurately and on time.

15 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

DET was 25th in the league last year scoring 19 points per game; very concerning the Eagles D allowed them 35 points on 5 TDs and no FG.  4-4 in red zone, plus the 22-yard TD pass over Slay.

Gannon is one of these DCs who employs a defense that allows yards between the 20s with the two deep S looks, and the design of this defensive scheme is not to allow TDs.  As you pointed out, the Eagles have been poor in the red zone as well under Gannon, and 5 TDs without making the opposition even try a FG is very concerning.

Makes it more concerning is as the season went on last year, they really didn’t get better when we ran into better teams. We are pretty fortunate we played a lot of bad QBs and football teams cause when we played carr, brady, herbert, dak and mahomes (imo the 5 best QBs they faced last year) they were 20-27, which is an absurd 74% touchdown conversion rate in the red zone. 

5 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I think you should focus on between-group variation and not on within-group variation.

Interesting comment.  Could you explain it a bit further please? 

This headline from Google News struck me as a bit odd:

I think she is still dead.

5 minutes ago, blindside said:

Every single great quarterback that’s ever played football has thrown the ball accurately and on time.

Lots of "ungreat" quarterbacks have also thrown the ball accurately and on time.

Am I safe in assuming that in your mind McNabb was not a great quarterback.

19 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Rodgers and Brady are close to the end, Rodgers doesn't have Adams anymore. Wilson is not a top QB anymore.

Stafford is not a great QB, he's playing well in the right situation, but he makes his share of bone headed plays.

Allen has great physical skills but is erratic, Burrow had a great run, do it again. Seen too many one year wonders to anoint him.

Basically, Mahomes and Hebert (who missed the playoffs last year) and a bunch of guys rising and falling.

There's always a very small group that can be considered elite (i.e. play at a very high level for an extended, 3-4+ year period), and a second group that's very good (might have one elite season before falling back to earth), and a third group that's solid but need a good team around them to win. People tend to fall prey to recency bias (Burrow is a good example) and ignore how variable performance is for most QBs year to year - sustaining excellence is hard - have a big season and every DC is focused on stopping you.

Allen isn't erratic anymore.  He misses some throws but hits far more than he misses.  Rodgers was not on the same page as his receivers on Sunday.  I mean how many years has he started slow only to play like an MVP as the season progresses.  It's not like he looks like end stage Roethlisberger.  Brady is the same as he as always been.  His release speed is the same if not better than it was 10 years ago.  He is accurate and great in the intermediate game.  He still moves in the pocket well.  I am not sure he looks any different than he has in the last 10 years.  

Stafford was an upgrade over Goff.  His elbow injury clearly impacted his game on Thursday.  If he doesn't get better, they are going to struggle all year.  

QB has always been a dependent position.  Elite QBs are able to perform well regardless of the talent around them once they mature.  Rodgers and Brady are the best examples of that but I would put Mahomes there as well.  I think Allen is the most dependent on talent vs. Burrow and Hebert.  He does, however, have elite playmaking ability.  I think elite talent prevails in a League the favors offense over defense.  It's not like Brady, Rodgers and Mahomes haven't been among the League leaders in stats over the last 3 seasons.  

4 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

This headline from Google News struck me as a bit odd:

I think she is still dead.

Zombie Queen Elizabeth Demands More Brains from her Subjects

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Allen isn't erratic anymore.  He misses some throws but hits far more than he misses.  Rodgers was not on the same page as his receivers on Sunday.  I mean how many years has he started slow only to play like an MVP as the season progresses.  It's not like he looks like end stage Roethlisberger.  Brady is the same as he as always been.  His release speed is the same if not better than it was 10 years ago.  He is accurate and great in the intermediate game.  He still moves in the pocket well.  I am not sure he looks any different than he has in the last 10 years.  

Stafford was an upgrade over Goff.  His elbow injury clearly impacted his game on Thursday.  If he doesn't get better, they are going to struggle all year.  

QB has always been a dependent position.  Elite QBs are able to perform well regardless of the talent around them once they mature.  Rodgers and Brady are the best examples of that but I would put Mahomes there as well.  I think Allen is the most dependent on talent vs. Burrow and Hebert.  He does, however, have elite playmaking ability.  I think elite talent prevails in a League the favors offense over defense.  It's not like Brady, Rodgers and Mahomes haven't been among the League leaders in stats over the last 3 seasons.  

Tbh i thought mahomes on Sunday played loose and much closer to his 2018 mvp year. I know losing tyreek hill’s talent is a big time loss. That type of big time playmaking and speed is something really hard to replace. but I’m betting his diva attitude and likely pain in the ass behind the scenes is something that mahomes is thrilled he doesn’t have to deal with anymore. 

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Zombie Queen Elizabeth Demands More Brains from her Subjects

29 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I know that.I was questioning why one had to be declined since one was during the play and one after the play.

Since it was a late hit maybe they ruled both were after the play?

42 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That said Hackett has been in the league for a while. Even as a rookie HC it’s a really horrible handling clock management and decision making late in that game. In the afc the margin of error to make the playoffs is much lower in the afc than the nfc. It’s only week 1 but with how stacked the AFC is that ending might be the difference between making and missing the playoffs at the end of the year 

I am amazed at how poorly some coaches deal with the clock.  There really should be a seminar for future coaches.  Play Madden for Pete's sake.    

 

 

Seriously though, how can settling for a 64 yard FG be the plan.  I get being forced to do that because time is gone... but with 3 timeouts and almost a minute left, there's no rationale for that choice.

24 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Allen and mahomes are unproven. And herbert missed the playoffs as he led his offense to scoring 30 points per game vs. playoff teams. Clearly also unproven. Burrow playing behind one of the worst offensive lines in the league that gave up 9 sacks in a playoff game and 19 times in 4 games was a major factor in turning that franchise around and getting to a SB for the first time in over 30+ years.

At this point I have really no issues with people wanting to defend hurts and believing in him. If you believe he can be as good as those guys and help the eagles win a SB more power to them. It’s going to be decided when we play better teams this year and when we run into a team like tampa in the playoffs again. That said I have issues with bad hot takes. especially when i get told by someone who i don’t think watches other teams closely enough as he told me one year the Texans had a top 10 offensive line and it was nearly special with Deshaun. Meanwhile espn pass and run block win rate they’ve been bottom 1/3 every year watson has been in the league. And ranked bottom 1/3 by pff every year. 

No, no, no. Herbert is elite now, for, reasons that don't apply to Allen or Burrow, or something. I don't even know.

13 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

This headline from Google News struck me as a bit odd:

I think she is still dead.

Ya never know, I've watched enough Disney movies to know evil queens have a penchant for coming back for one last act of treachery...

52 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

argument against Mahomes

He does suck. Andy should do a straight up trade of Mahommes for Hurts.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I am amazed at how poorly some coaches deal with the clock.  There really should be a seminar for future coaches.  Play Madden for Pete's sake.    

 

 

Seriously though, how can settling for a 64 yard FG be the plan.  I get being forced to do that because time is gone... but with 3 timeouts and almost a minute left, there's no rationale for that choice.

Insanely dumb choice, and as a rookie HC, I'll give a smidge of wiggle room here. If he makes the same mistake again.......

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I am amazed at how poorly some coaches deal with the clock.  There really should be a seminar for future coaches.  Play Madden for Pete's sake.    

 

 

Seriously though, how can settling for a 64 yard FG be the plan.  I get being forced to do that because time is gone... but with 3 timeouts and almost a minute left, there's no rationale for that choice.

It really is pretty amazing how bad some coaches are with clock management. I was on my couch saying call a timeout as soon as Williams was tackled. I’m guessing most of us in the blog or just watch a ton of football would have the first instinct to call a timeout immediately in that situation. the rationale to come to that decision is just mind blowing to me. If the eagles had that happen i would absolutely be losing my crap just based on how dumb the decision making and clock management was. 

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I am amazed at how poorly some coaches deal with the clock.  There really should be a seminar for future coaches.  Play Madden for Pete's sake.    

 

 

Seriously though, how can settling for a 64 yard FG be the plan.  I get being forced to do that because time is gone... but with 3 timeouts and almost a minute left, there's no rationale for that choice.

So you're saying Nathaniel couldn't Hackett