Not sure if this got much attention, but we had an illegal man downfield call in the fourth quarter the offset a DPI that would have given us a first down.  It was on Lane.

Sorry for the picture quality, but it seems like he was running a different play that the rest of the team.  Why run downfield when the rest of the OL is creating a pocket.

31 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

PFF thinks Hurts was better than a guy with 77%, 360 yards, 5 TD’s and 0 INT’s.

I don’t care 

Reading comprehension is a lost art, you're reading things into what they posted that simply weren't there.

It was simply one metric, nothing more.

3 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Neither is the crap OLine and DLine play. 

I’m far from sold on Hurts, but some of you would bash him if he threw for 30/30 600 yards and 9 TDs. 

Not trying to single you out but you have to give credit where credit is due. Hurts had a good game and we won despite a disappointing performance in several other areas. Pass protection, D-Line play, and tackling all sucked. 

I don't see anyone saying the line played well. People are in here saying hurts had an outstanding game.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He was bottom 10 in every passing category last year.  He recovered nicely Sunday, but he’s  still not the answer at QB. If people can’t see that with how he throws and doesn’t read the defense, then they are intentionally being ignorant.  

No, he wasn't. You don't need to invent things.

QBR (19), DYAR (17), rushing DYAR (1), Comp % (26), NY/A (13), TD% (24, but he ran for 10, which skews his red zone numbers), Int % (13).

11 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Not sure if this got much attention, but we had an illegal man downfield call in the fourth quarter the offset a DPI that would have given us a first down.  It was on Lane.

Sorry for the picture quality, but it seems like he was running a different play that the rest of the team.  Why run downfield when the rest of the OL is creating a pocket.

[Insert joke about Lane assuming Hurts was just going to run anyway]

Watched that video of Jordan Davis’ snaps, and while he did play in the goal line packages I don’t think it skewed the YPC as much as you’d think. He was quite stout against the run, but I didn’t  see as many double teams as I would have expected. 

As a pass rusher he didn’t show much at all. 

2 hours ago, wussbasket said:

Why was the team so unprepared to play the Lions?

Starters had an entire month and the coaches had 2 weeks from the last preseason game. Kelce said something along the lines that the blitzes confused them because they hadn’t seen it before. The defense gave up a TD and the offense didn’t do anything on their first series.

They certainly were lucky it was just the Lions, but they won’t be so lucky against the Vikings if they prepare the same way.

Is this the first year you've watched football?

Early season games are sloppy, you can't prepare for crowd noise, looks you haven't seen, etc. in practice OR in exhibition games (where both teams stick to vanilla schemes).

And if you look around the league, the "hard practice" teams were just as sloppy. It takes a few games to get football timing down.

Now the one thing Nick probably needs to do next year is up the tempo in terms of conditioning, they don't have to hit, but they need to do a lot more running to build up stamina. Because the defense definitely wore down the second half.

I thought the defense was terrible from start to finish. I don't think it was a conditioning thing. Terrible run fits that put much way too much pressure on the safeties and corners to make tackles. 

3 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I thought the defense was terrible from start to finish. I don't think it was a conditioning thing. Terrible run fits that put much way too much pressure on the safeties and corners to make tackles. 

And free runs at the LBs. I was pretty critical of the LBs after the game, but Hargrave and Cox did them no favors. 

42 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Not sure if this got much attention, but we had an illegal man downfield call in the fourth quarter the offset a DPI that would have given us a first down.  It was on Lane.

Sorry for the picture quality, but it seems like he was running a different play that the rest of the team.  Why run downfield when the rest of the OL is creating a pocket.

Wow he's pretty far down field,maybe he thought he was going to get his second TD...

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He was bottom 10 in every passing category last year.  He recovered nicely Sunday, but he’s  still not the answer at QB. If people can’t see that with how he throws and doesn’t read the defense, then they are intentionally being ignorant.  

I'm not on the side that thinks Hurts can be top 10, but that's not correct.

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Is this the first year you've watched football?

Early season games are sloppy, you can't prepare for crowd noise, looks you haven't seen, etc. in practice OR in exhibition games (where both teams stick to vanilla schemes).

And if you look around the league, the "hard practice" teams were just as sloppy. It takes a few games to get football timing down.

Now the one thing Nick probably needs to do next year is up the tempo in terms of conditioning, they don't have to hit, but they need to do a lot more running to build up stamina. Because the defense definitely wore down the second half.

So they need to practice more and participate in pre-season games to get in game shape?

13 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Is this the first year you've watched football?

Early season games are sloppy, you can't prepare for crowd noise, looks you haven't seen, etc. in practice OR in exhibition games (where both teams stick to vanilla schemes).

And if you look around the league, the "hard practice" teams were just as sloppy. It takes a few games to get football timing down.

Now the one thing Nick probably needs to do next year is up the tempo in terms of conditioning, they don't have to hit, but they need to do a lot more running to build up stamina. Because the defense definitely wore down the second half.

They wore down because they couldn’t get a stop on third or fourth down. Maddox getting his ankles broken by Goff, Slay dropping an easy pick and Swift picking up a first down on a third-and-10 draw really stand out as huge failures.

47 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Not sure if this got much attention, but we had an illegal man downfield call in the fourth quarter the offset a DPI that would have given us a first down.  It was on Lane.

Sorry for the picture quality, but it seems like he was running a different play that the rest of the team.  Why run downfield when the rest of the OL is creating a pocket.

This is what happens when you throw him one TD smh 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Reading comprehension is a lost art, you're reading things into what they posted that simply weren't there.

It was simply one metric, nothing more.

Um, no. This is all based off their opinion, because they use their own grading metrics for things like most accurate beyond the sticks. I don’t agree with their other grading system of QB grades. Or a lot of ridiculous things they say. So therefore, I don’t care about anything PFF says. It was simply, that simple.

22 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

And free runs at the LBs. I was pretty critical of the LBs after the game, but Hargrave and Cox did them no favors. 

I’m not sure the ‘85 bears could stop the run with this type of alignment (light box - 2xW9).

 

17 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

I'm not on the side that thinks Hurts can be top 10, but that's not correct.

So they need to practice more and participate in pre-season games to get in game shape?

Nah. Just need to work with the physical trainers to develop a more intense workout regime that will avoid soft tissue injuries but get players in better shape.

Playing in meaning less exhibition games won't get you in shape because the intensity doesn't approach a real game. And the limited snaps don't approach a real game work load.

18 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

They wore down because they couldn’t get a stop on third or fourth down. Maddox getting his ankles broken by Goff, Slay dropping an easy pick and Swift picking up a first down on a third-and-10 draw really stand out as huge failures.

A lot of missed tackles, and that's usually a sign of fatigue (unless the player has a long history of tackling air).

Just now, austinfan said:

A lot of missed tackles, and that's usually a sign of fatigue (unless the player has a long history of tackling air).

We couldn’t tackle for S last year. And we missed plenty of tackles early in the game too. 

They wore down because they couldn’t get stops.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

A lot of missed tackles, and that's usually a sign of fatigue (unless the player has a long history of tackling air).

I read that the CBs were put a position where they had fill against the run… these guys are not necessarily your hardwired tacklers. 

We missed a lot of tackles because they were incredibly difficult tackles. Teams with a high tackling % are rallying to the ball and stopping the run at the line of scrimmage. When we're playing that soft 4-2 front against the OL+TE+ a WR with a short split, what do you expect will happen? A good ass RB like Swift is going to have momentum untouched well into the 2nd and 3rd level. Now every tackle is so difficult for the LBs and DBs especially. 

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Nah. Just need to work with the physical trainers to develop a more intense workout regime that will avoid soft tissue injuries but get players in better shape.

Playing in meaning less exhibition games won't get you in shape because the intensity doesn't approach a real game. And the limited snaps don't approach a real game work load.

How is a PT going to get them into better shape if even playing in a preseason game won't? The only way you can get into game shape is by playing the game. Sure, preseason isn't as intense as a real game, but its the best opportunity available.

I have my doubts with this coaching staff, but we'll see next week if they can play more cohesive and actually tackle properly. The team just seemed very unprepared considering they also played them last year.

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

We missed a lot of tackles because they were incredibly difficult tackles. Teams with a high tackling % are rallying to the ball and stopping the run at the line of scrimmage. When we're playing that soft 4-2 front against the OL+TE+ a WR with a short split, what do you expect will happen? A good ass RB like Swift is going to have momentum untouched well into the 2nd and 3rd level. Now every tackle is so difficult for the LBs and DBs especially. 

Some were hard tackles like Bradberry one on one with Swift (who makes full speed cuts better than almost any other RB). Others… not so much. Jamaal Williams’ first TD was a pretty bad miss by both Epps and Dean. Maddox got worked by Goff in the open field. Those were two crucial misses off the top of my head. 

21 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I’m not sure the ‘85 bears could stop the run with this type of alignment (light box - 2xW9).

 

Sheesh.

Maybe that's one of the schemes Howie drew up, that's atrocious.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Some were hard tackles like Bradberry one on one with Swift (who makes full speed cuts better than almost any other RB). Others… not so much. Jamaal Williams’ first TD was a pretty bad miss by both Epps and Dean. Maddox got worked by Goff in the open field. Those were two crucial misses off the top of my head. 

They definitely missed some easier tackle attempts too. 

Good read on some things that many of us (including myself) might not be seeing in Hurts’ development.