42 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

The Vikings last year had one of the worst run defenses in the league, giving up 130.7 yards per game.

They also favour a zone blitzing scheme, which is the best way to shut down Hurts running. 

So, we should see a game plan that attacks their run d, using our actual RBs. They could be in for a big night. 

Completely different coaching staff from last year and they switched to a 3-4 this offseason. Signed Harrison Phillips, Jordan Hicks and Zadarius Smith. Packers still did pretty good on the ground so maybe they are still coming into form.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Completely different coaching staff from last year and they switched to a 3-4 this offseason. Signed Harrison Phillips, Jordan Hick and Zadarius Smith. Packers still did pretty good on the ground so maybe they are still coming into form.

We should be able to run on almost any team. Until the Vikings show an improvement, Imma say they suck at defending it.

18 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Except if last game is any indication the coaches will come out with a gameplan to only hand it off to the RBs several times in the first half. 

You know who decides who hands it off right? 

15 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

While it can seem like that from a hundred foot level, that really is not the case. What it really is, is a bunch of old guys that have difficulty embracing a different style of QB. 

Their comfort is in wrapping themselves up in completion percentages and snuggling close to terms like 'cannon arm'. Since a 'running QB' has not won a Super Bowl, then it is completely out of the question for that to ever happen, so it is pointless to even try.

How old are you, roughly? 30-40? 20-30? Younger? 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

You have a coach who loves to throw the ball. a QB who loves to check away from runs and into pass plays

Sure, the vikings cant stop the run, whos to say we're actually gonna run it? Now Hurts scramble run, actually run it

Understood. This is a game where our strength matches up to their weakness. And, we should be trying to keep their offense off the field, which a strong running game helps with. It makes too much sense, so we'll likely see 40 pass attempts instead

17 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

While it can seem like that from a hundred foot level, that really is not the case. What it really is, is a bunch of old guys that have difficulty embracing a different style of QB. 

Their comfort is in wrapping themselves up in completion percentages and snuggling close to terms like 'cannon arm'. Since a 'running QB' has not won a Super Bowl, then it is completely out of the question for that to ever happen, so it is pointless to even try.

Well that's just ageist, and wrong. 

There is no ulterior motive. There is no unifying adjective. What it really is, is some people don't like his style of play at the professional level. They don't like college like offenses at the professional level. 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You know who decides who hands it off right? 

Are you blaming Hurts for his own choices?!

 Racist

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Well that's just ageist, and wrong. 

There is no ulterior motive. There is no unifying adjective. What it really is, is people don't like his style of play at the professional level. They don't like college like offenses at the professional level. 

Nick Saban was just an old racist! 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You know who decides who hands it off right? 

 

Yeah the coaching staff.  It's Fing crazy man, they call the plays for the offense to run.  We saw the same exact thing play out last year.  And the the coaching staff decided to call runs in the first half of game after the first 8 games. 

43 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

The Vikings last year had one of the worst run defenses in the league, giving up 130.7 yards per game.

They also favour a zone blitzing scheme, which is the best way to shut down Hurts running. 

So, we should see a game plan that attacks their run d, using our actual RBs. They could be in for a big night. 

I am concerned their offense will push us out of too much running

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah the coaching staff.  It's Fing crazy man, they call the plays for the offense to run.  We saw the same exact thing play out last year.  And the the coaching staff decided to call runs in the first half of game after the first 8 games. 

Try again. And think through it here....who's the last person to actually touch the ball before it becomes a pass, run or QB run? 

23 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

While it can seem like that from a hundred foot level, that really is not the case. What it really is, is a bunch of old guys that have difficulty embracing a different style of QB. 

Their comfort is in wrapping themselves up in completion percentages and snuggling close to terms like 'cannon arm'. Since a 'running QB' has not won a Super Bowl, then it is completely out of the question for that to ever happen, so it is pointless to even try.

Thats a mightily contorted strawman. Weight of evidence is clear. Your probability of winning with that style of qb play is profoundly lower. Thats just evidence and logical thought.

your comfort is in projecting nefarious motive onto arguments that show your own opinion to be naive, illogical and poorly argued

 

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

I am concerned their offense will push us out of too much running

I am glad that we have 2 different style CBs who are pretty damn good. If Jefferson is having success against Slay who is taller, quicker, faster then you might be able to switch Bradberry on him who is more physical. Between them, and having a safety with excellent man coverage skills who can help I think we can throw a bunch of different looks at Jefferson and settle in to something that works best.

I dont think there is any stopping him. But I have faith that we have the personnel to limit him some.

On the other end, Thielen is still really good, but I dont think what he once was. I trust Slay or Bradberry to cover him well enough.

I dont think our secondary is going to get picked apart.

 

The key to this week is the same as the key to this defensive scheme overall. The front 4-5 have to take care of the run so the rest can be in coverage. Thats why we got a huge DT. Thats why we got LBs who can cover in White, and Dean. Jordan Davis and the rest of the front can stop the run, everything will fall in to place.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

makes sense.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

"So Howie get this...We thought long and hard about this week coming up. I think we want to throw the ball against the Vikings. We're gonna need a QB. Go find someone!" 

9 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Try again. And think through it here....who's the last person to actually touch the ball before it becomes a pass, run or QB run? 

 

Those are the plays being called.  That's on the coaching staff.  Like I said we saw this same insane discrepancy last year and then the coaches actually started calling more run plays after the first 8 games. Stop being so ignorant for once. 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I can’t imagine being the head coach and being OK with this. F that weasel 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Those are the plays being called.  That's on the coaching staff.  Like I said we saw this same insane discrepancy last year and then the coaches actually started calling more run plays after the first 8 games. Stop being so ignorant for once. 

So you think Hurts is running too much?

34 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

While it can seem like that from a hundred foot level, that really is not the case. What it really is, is a bunch of old guys that have difficulty embracing a different style of QB. 

Their comfort is in wrapping themselves up in completion percentages and snuggling close to terms like 'cannon arm'. Since a 'running QB' has not won a Super Bowl, then it is completely out of the question for that to ever happen, so it is pointless to even try.

 

Do you think an offense based around running and occasional downfield passing would have kept up with Tom Brady passing for 500 yards in the Super Bowl ??

Would that offense have been able to work in the last two minutes of the Buffalo v Kansas City playoff game last year ??

Moving to a run based offense like the Eagles have to run with Hurts is actually moving backwards, not forward with the modern NFL.

2 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

"So Howie get this...We thought long and hard about this week coming up. I think we want to throw the ball against the Vikings. We're gonna need a QB. Go find someone!" 

I just noticed why the Saints wanted Ian Book

I wonder if his mark is real or if he is just trying to look like Drew Brees.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Would that offense have been able to work in the last two minutes of the Buffalo v Kansas City playoff game last year ??

Didn't we have a successful two-minute drive at the end of the half just this past week?

5 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Thats a mightily contorted strawman. Weight of evidence is clear. Your probability of winning with that style of qb play is profoundly lower. Thats just evidence and logical thought.

your comfort is in projecting nefarious motive onto arguments that show your own opinion to be naive, illogical and poorly argued

Jumping off this. Not only the probability of winning a game, the probability of having a long career is much lower.

Cam Newton - washed at 30.

Kordell Stewart - washed at 30.

Michael Vick, who actually did progress as a passer and had spent time out of the league in his prime, still broke down at 32/33.

 

 

Just now, jsb235 said:

Didn't we have a successful two-minute drive at the end of the half just this past week?

The FG we settled for because Hurts cant throw TDs?

Jerrah’s got some decisions to make today.  Activating Peters, who he cuts if he keeps Rush active and Prescott off IR, does he really risk Maher by sending him down, does he risk Grier by keeping only one healthy QB active, does he IR Kearse, McGovern?  With McGovern down, they have 7 OL.  Interestingly, I think they haven’t Put Smith on IR, probably holding his spot for JP.  They have 12 DBs so Kearse isn’t a huge issue.  But McGovern is with no real reserve G.  Somebody really needs to mess with Jerrah by signing Grier.