1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

The Vikings last year had one of the worst run defenses in the league, giving up 130.7 yards per game.

They also favour a zone blitzing scheme, which is the best way to shut down Hurts running. 

So, we should see a game plan that attacks their run d, using our actual RBs. They could be in for a big night. 

Or, Hurts could get 131 yards all by himself from ROs.

21 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

While it can seem like that from a hundred foot level, that really is not the case. What it really is, is a bunch of old guys that have difficulty embracing a different style of QB. 

Their comfort is in wrapping themselves up in completion percentages and snuggling close to terms like 'cannon arm'. Since a 'running QB' has not won a Super Bowl, then it is completely out of the question for that to ever happen, so it is pointless to even try.

Do you seriously think a running QB is a new thing??

In Canada I've been watching running QBs since Chuck Ealey in 1972, Condredge Holloway in 1975.  JC Watts in 1981.  They were entertaining, but they didn't win championships.  When the games matter in the playoffs, defenses will shut down the running QB and make him throw the ball.  It's been proven for 50 years.

Doug Flutie was the best QB ever to play in the CFL.  He played in the CFL from 1990-1997.  He was mobile and scrambled and went off-script constantly -- but he did it for the purpose of breaking down the defense and THROWING THE BALL to win.  Even on the wider field the most he ever ran in a season was 120 times, and that was against 730 passes (16.4% ratio -- Hurts is more than twice that ratio for his career).

Warren Moon was the 2nd best CFL QB.  He won many Grey Cups, from the pocket.  He ran 13.9% of the time in the CFL.

Damon Allen is the CFL career passing yards leader; he's Marcus Allen's brother.  He was mobile and scrambled a bunch, but lasted 22 years because he threw the ball to the tune of more than 72,000 career yards.  He ran 19.3% of the time.

The problem people have with Hurts isn't that he's mobile; it's that he runs too damn much, and at the expense of developing acceptable skills as a passer.  

40 minutes ago, downundermike said:

RPO offense, the QB is the one who has the option, but he is to busy trying to be Superman.

RO offense.   Not nearly as many RPOs. 

3 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

So you think Hurts is running too much?

 

Yeah I think the play calling was completely out of Waco last week putting way too huge of a load on Hurts. B that isn't sustainable for his health. It's a total failure of the coaching staff and a replay of what we saw form them and the offense they were calling last year.  You need to call more designed runs in the offense.  There is no acceptable reason as to why they would call an offensive game where only two handoffs to RBs occur in the first 22 offensive plays. 

1 minute ago, UndyTaker said:

The FG we settled for because Hurts cant throw TDs?

So every team scores a TD on every red zone trip in the NFL except for the Eagles? Wow, I didn't know that.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Jumping off this. Not only the probability of winning a game, the probability of having a long career is much lower.

Cam Newton - washed at 30.

Kordell Stewart - washed at 30.

Michael Vick, who actually did progress as a passer and had spent time out of the league in his prime, still broke down at 32/33.

 

 

I think the team already knows they cant commit to hurts long term. Howie knows the strategy is to have the qb on a cheap rookie deal. Little doubt we do that again unless a star pops free.

qbs like hurts are a dime a dozen and available every year. 

I see Ian Book is the new Carson Strong around here 🤣🤣

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Yeah I think the play calling was completely out of Waco last week

 

Correct.  We run an offense just like Baylor that is not sustainable in the NFL.

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah I think the play calling was completely out of Waco last week putting way too huge of a load on Hurts. B that isn't sustainable for his health. It's a total failure of the coaching staff and a replay of what we saw form them and the offense they were calling last year.  You need to call more designed runs in the offense.  There is no acceptable reason as to why they would call an offensive game where only two handoffs to RBs occur in the first 22 offensive plays. 

You don't think Hurts has any culpability in the amount of runs he had?

2 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

I see Ian Book is the new Carson Strong around here 🤣🤣

Maybe he's our future...

1 hour ago, pallidrone said:

While it can seem like that from a hundred foot level, that really is not the case. What it really is, is a bunch of old guys that have difficulty embracing a different style of QB. 

Their comfort is in wrapping themselves up in completion percentages and snuggling close to terms like 'cannon arm'. Since a 'running QB' has not won a Super Bowl, then it is completely out of the question for that to ever happen, so it is pointless to even try.

Or... what it is a bunch of "old" guys who have been watching football for a long time and have heard about the 'new breed of NFL QB' for over 30 years... and still see that ultimate success comes from QBs who pass the ball, not that run the ball.   If a QB has to run the ball to cover up for a lack of passing acumen, the ceiling for that player is only so high, and the shelf-life of that QB is only so long.  

1989 was a long time ago... and yet, nothing has really changed.

 

EDIT:  That's not true... in fact, the NFL has moved MORE in the direction of favoring the pass based on the rule changes and the QB protections in the pocket.

13 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Those are the plays being called.  That's on the coaching staff.  Like I said we saw this same insane discrepancy last year and then the coaches actually started calling more run plays after the first 8 games. Stop being so ignorant for once. 

It's on the coaching staff for trusting Hurts to NOT call his own number. I agree

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You don't think Hurts has any culpability in the amount of runs he had?

No, this falls on the coaching staff and the plays they are calling. 

2 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

I see Ian Book is the new Carson Strong around here 🤣🤣

check the leadership

 

 

The intangibles- he taps the play like a champion sign

 

The physique. The athleticism. Look at that vert. The comradery. Look at the relationship he has with the other player.

 

The accuracy- notice the graphic showing his completions/attempts. Watch the way he hands the ball off. Magician.

 

 

6 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

So every team scores a TD on every red zone trip in the NFL except for the Eagles? Wow, I didn't know that.

Every team that makes 5 trips to the redzone and 4 of those result in TDs, at least 1 of those are passing TDs. In that drive alone you really see how limited this offense is AND WAS LAST YEAR. Once we get inside the 20 Hurts is dam near useless trying to pass the ball. How many passing TDs do you think he will have on Monday night?

7 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I think the team already knows they cant commit to hurts long term. Howie knows the strategy is to have the qb on a cheap rookie deal. Little doubt we do that again unless a star pops free.

qbs like hurts are a dime a dozen and available every year. 

It's possible. I just meant with that style of QB your window to win a championship is much smaller. 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

check the leadership

Look at the way Charlie Selna ( #89 ) looks at him.  That guy is 100% sold on Ian Book's leadership.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

check the leadership

 

 

The intangibles- he taps the play like a champion sign

 

The physique. The athleticism. Look at that vert. The comradery. Look at the relationship he has with the other player.

 

The accuracy- notice the graphic showing his completions/attempts. Watch the way he hands the ball off. Magician.

 

 

The picture of him tapping that poster...

He looks like Joe Montana there...

Just now, UndyTaker said:

Every team that makes 5 trips to the redzone and 4 of those result in TDs, at least 1 of those are passing TDs. In that drive alone you really see how limited this offense is AND WAS LAST YEAR. Once we get inside the 20 Hurts is dam near useless trying to pass the ball. How many passing TDs do you think he will have on Monday night?

 

Yeah everyone knows the judges award more points for the passing touchdowns than rushing touchdowns.  We will never be able to win games when we are scoring all of these rushing touchdowns in the red one.  

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah everyone knows the judges award more points for the passing touchdowns than rushing touchdowns.  We will never be able to win playoff games when we are scoring all of these rushing touchdowns in the red one.  

FYP

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

No, this falls on the coaching staff and the plays they are calling. 

Your head couldn't possibly further up Hurts behind

28 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Why not have the coordinators hash it out with Sirianni and then just have him tell Howie the players needing to be activated? Why does Howie need to be involved in the game plan discussions rather than simply delegating the judgement calls to the head coach?

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Your head couldn't possibly further up Hurts behind

 

Says one or more of he blogs local clowns that views Hurts as the anti-Christ who can do no right. 

3 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

FYP

 

True, I forgot how in the playoffs rushing touchdowns only count for 4 points compared to 6 for passing. 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Says one or more of he blogs local clowns that views Hurts as the anti-Christ who can do no right. 

 

False narrative.  I have no issue with Jalen Hurts the person, I have an issue with Jalen Hurts passing ability in the NFL.

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

check the leadership

Are you trying to say that Ian wrote the Book on leadership?