10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

We had no problem running the ball in the Super Bowl using a similar offense, with legendary Eagles QB Nick Foles at the helm.

 

Trey Burton had a higher QBR and Rating than Foles.

Maybe we should have started Burton. That's what the stats say.

4 minutes ago, justrelax said:

In point of fact he had six called runs plus one kneel-down. I have no dog in your fight but I do think it's good to have the facts straight.

P.S. At least two of those runs were ROs, so not necessarily for him to run.

17 runs is far too many for any QB. Hurts pulls the ball from our RBs, which I could lean into a little more if our RBs were struggling. They weren't, they were crushing it at almost 6 yards a carry. Lean on them, let them take the abuse. 

Just now, NCiggles said:

Haha remember when Juan Castillo was the D-Coordinator? That was fun. 

Juan Castillo, Chip, Wentz vs Foles, Wentz vs Hurts, and now mainly Hurts.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Haha remember when Juan Castillo was the D-Coordinator? That was fun. 

That's how Andy got himself fired. Crap like that. And the awful state of the team.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honestly the defense stunk to start that game and the offense was also not good. That was a combined effort of futility to get themselves down 31. Granted i did think the defense once they got down 17-0 did a good job holding it on the next 3 Bucs possessions to be able to try to give us a chance to get back in the game and offense couldn’t do it. 

that’s said I am not too high or too low about this Lions game. It’s the Fing Lions. They finish 28 in the DVOA last year. Their defense if you look at it has like 2 maybe 3 players and the rest of it is just bad. They are gonna be a bottom 10 defense again.  I’m not gonna crown Jalen hurts the quarterback of the future or say he can’t be based off 1 game in week one of the season  

 The decision about whether Jalen hurts is the long-term future at quarterback is going to come when we start playing better teams and seeing if he made the jump. That is the biggest issue the offense had last year was large portions of games against playoff opponents the defense and the offense found themselves being futile. If we get to the playoffs this year, we run into a team like Tampa Bay and the offense has the same issues again or hurts/offense makes a jump that is going to be the thing that moves the needle about moving on or staying with Jalen hurts long-term.  

Believing Nick will not pull Hurts this season, I'm going to try to segment this season into thirds -- first 6 games, next 6 games, and final 5 games + playoffs.

DET is a bad team and didn't account for Hurts running past the DL rush for some reason.  The Vikings game will be interesting, and we play the Cards without Hopkins and the Turds (likely) without Dak, and another divisional game in WASH.  A lot of talk going around that 'Hurts won't run 17 times every game' -- perhaps not, but I worry that he's running a lot because his ankle feels better, and no other reason besides that.  MIN, DAL, and WASH all have pretty good defenses; if Hurts can continue to do what he needs to to win these games early, and put the Turds well into the rear view, I think that's what most Eagles fans should want.  

It will be an interesting next 5 games, and all are winnable.

   

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I would assume that includes personnel usage and who they need.  To the extent it leaves Sirianni out of the loop, is a potential problem.  I just don't assume that Howie isn't giving the coaches what they are asking for in players.  

It tells me that he's requiring them to directly provide him with detailed justification for each player which is a discussion and decision that's almost always left up to the head coach.

18 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Isn't that supper? 

Don’t you try to out me 

Just now, downundermike said:

Wonderlic scores

Justin Herbert - 39

Matt Stafford - 38

Josh Allen - 37

Aaron Rodgers - 35

Joe Burrow - 34

Tom Brady - 33

Patrick Mahomes - 24

Jalen Hurts - 21

I think 21 is an average score on the Wonderlic.  I am not sure it measures anything necessarily relevant to football smarts or processing.  

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Wonderlic scores

Justin Herbert - 39

Matt Stafford - 38

Josh Allen - 37

Aaron Rodgers - 35

Joe Burrow - 34

Tom Brady - 33

Patrick Mahomes - 24

Jalen Hurts - 21

Tbh i wouldn’t have guessed josh Allen would get a 37 on a wonderlic and i was a bigger fan of him then most on this board during that draft process

5 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

The team as a whole did not play well for sure. The D gave up points quick and they did a great job at stopping the run, which is what got us to the playoffs in the first place....so...why did Hurts have a bad game specifically? Why was he not able to get anything going in the passing game?

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43 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Why not have the coordinators hash it out with Sirianni and then just have him tell Howie the players needing to be activated? Why does Howie need to be involved in the game plan discussions rather than simply delegating the judgement calls to the head coach?

Do we not want our GM to know what the coaches want to do with their players? He is the one in charge of the roster after all.

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

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6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Believing Nick will not pull Hurts this season, I'm going to try to segment this season into thirds -- first 6 games, next 6 games, and final 5 games + playoffs.

DET is a bad team and didn't account for Hurts running past the DL rush for some reason.  The Vikings game will be interesting, and we play the Cards without Hopkins and the Turds (likely) without Dak, and another divisional game in WASH.  A lot of talk going around that 'Hurts won't run 17 times every game' -- perhaps not, but I worry that he's running a lot because his ankle feels better, and no other reason besides that.  MIN, DAL, and WASH all have pretty good defenses; if Hurts can continue to do what he needs to to win these games early, and put the Turds well into the rear view, I think that's what most Eagles fans should want.  

It will be an interesting next 5 games, and all are winnable.

   

Without Dak i think Dallas defense is going to suffer unless cooper rush turns out to be good. Which i doubt happens. They are going to wind up getting stuck on the field more than usual and wearing out as games move along. Interesting Dallas didn’t IR Dak. Means they think he’s back before missing 4 weeks. I’m guessing the target date for him is cowboys at rams in week 5

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't give a crap if the QB is black, white, brown, indigo or violet.  I want a QB that's primary mode of moving the offense down the field is his arm.   If he legs that can help him escape the pocket when necessary, that's great too.  

I would trade Hurts for Mahomes (even though, he's apparently unproven) in a heart beat.   I'd throw in a few first round picks on top of that as well.  But, Mahomes is only 6'2" 225 lbs, and last I checked, he wasn't "white".   But, what he has is a great arm, and a coach that has been teaching him how to play the QB position, not to be an athlete playing QB.  Reid doesn't force his QBs to be a statue in the pocket, but he also doesn't make their running ability a staple of the offense.  Why?  Because he doesn't target guys who can't throw the ball in the draft to bring in to play for him.  He looks for their throwing ability, first and foremost.  McNabb had a great arm with mobility.  Andy did great things with him.   Vick had an arm like few others ever had and could flick the ball 70 yards down the field with almost effortless precision.... oh, and he could run too.  When Andy brought him in, he used him as a bit of a gadget guy (2009, breaking him back into football).  But, when he became the backup QB in 2010, he was QB only.  When he took over as the QB for Kolb... he was QB only, but with the ability to run when the pocket broke down.   Go back and watch the comeback against the Giants.   He did that with his arm much more than his legs.  

When evaluating a QB, I never worry about their mobility.  Plenty of QBs over the years have proven that you can play exclusively from the pocket and win.   Plenty of other QBs have also proven that if the DC's primary goal for their game plan is to keep that QB in the pocket, that's a recipe for long term disappoint with that QB.   If two QBs have equal passing ability, I take the one with mobility over the statue.  But, if the statue is a better passer by a significant margin, then the mobility of the other won't make up for that deficit for me.   And I don't care if we are discussing Jeff Garcia (mobile, weak armed QB, but was heady enough to be able to navigate a WCO, but had to earn it through the CFL first), Doug Flutie (CFL to the NFL, and never could overcome his height issues, though he always had plenty of arm strength), Tim Tebow, early career Michael Vick (who never studied the game to learn how to become a better passer, because he always had his legs to bail him out of trouble, in his own mind), Jalen Hurts, or Lamar Jackson.   

The NFL is a passing league.  RBs have become secondary thoughts in the NFL, because they get beat up and lose their effectiveness quickly.   If a QB runs the ball frequently, like a RB, why should we believe that his body won't also wear down and lose effectiveness quickly?    How much do hits on the QB's shoulders and chest and legs in the first half affect his ability to pass effectively when the team desperately needs him to be able to pass in the 4th quarter?  What happens to this QB after 3 years of abuse to his body from all the hits accumulated from running the ball?  

There's a long list of QBs who never figured out the passing game being relegated to journeyman status relatively quickly who always had running as their top skill set.  And its not about race, its about the style of play, the nature of the game and biology... a human body just can't take that kind of punishment without changes happening.

You are not wrong about your critique of Hurts. It however is an overused trope when comparing black to white QBs. Here is citation based on an SI article with and here is the link. Not playing the race card or participating in all the "racist" slinging on this blog. However, this bias is just as valid as your analysis of Hurts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_issues_faced_by_black_quarterbacks#Stereotyping_of_black_quarterbacks. I think this is, at times, what folks are writing about with the constant "he is an athlete but can't process" stuff. We don't really know that. Maybe he has worse vision in one eye (making this up) but jumping to the athletic and not as smart is a repetition of what one could classify as a race-based stereotype. 

An empirical study published in The Howard Journal of Communications supported this hypothesis. The researchers analyzed the written descriptions of quarterback prospects in the NFL Draft section of the Sports Illustrated website from 1998 to 2007. They looked at each player's description for words or phrases about athleticism and intelligence and sorted them into categories based on whether they were positive or negative. A significant difference was found between how black and white quarterbacks are described by SI. Black quarterbacks tend to be praised for their athleticism and criticized for a lack of intelligence. Meanwhile, white quarterbacks are often praised for their intelligence and criticized for a lack of athleticism.^[19] For example, Daunte Culpepper and Tee Martin, both black quarterbacks, were described with terms such as "physical specimen" and "impressive specimen," respectively. Meanwhile, white players were described as "good signal callers," and "real student of the game."^[18]

 

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Do we not want our GM to know what the coaches want to do with their players? He is the one in charge of the roster after all.

 

Yes, they can give Howie a list of who needs to be active after the coaches meet and game plan.  He does not need to be in the game planning meetings.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Without Dak i think Dallas defense is going to suffer unless cooper rush turns out to be good. Which i doubt happens. They are going to wind up getting stuck on the field more than usual and wearing out as games move along. Interesting Dallas didn’t IR Dak. Means they think he’s back before missing 4 weeks. I’m guessing the target date for him is cowboys at rams in week 5

I’ve already seen Cowboys fans compare their current situation to Rich Gannon/Tom Brady 

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

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5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

17 runs is far too many for any QB. Hurts pulls the ball from our RBs, which I could lean into a little more if our RBs were struggling. They weren't, they were crushing it at almost 6 yards a carry. Lean on them, let them take the abuse. 

You persist on the 17 runs business. There were seven called runs, one of which was a kneel-down. I clocked the first half and there were 10 RO plays. On 8 of them, the RB took the ball. As I said in response to a post from @Iggles_Phan, I didn't believe Hurts was really running a true RO on most of them but was showing the RO action to freeze the DE.

3 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Do we not want our GM to know what the coaches want to do with their players? He is the one in charge of the roster after all.

On a weekly basis during the season? For a conversation that could be easily handled by the head coach? If we need to fill out some holes in the roster caused by injury or poor performance, that's one thing, but Gannon's comments didn't imply that. It implied he does this every week, which presumably would include weeks where no roster changes are necessitated at all.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Can you put that in a larger font for me please?

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2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

You persist on the 17 runs business. There were seven called runs, one of which was a kneel-down. I clocked the first half and there were 10 RO plays. On 8 of them, the RB took the ball. As I said in response to a post from @Iggles_Phan, I didn't believe Hurts was really running a true RO on most of them but was showing the RO action to freeze the DE.

Not instigating just curious - what were the 2nd half RO play stats?

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

You persist on the 17 runs business. There were seven called runs, one of which was a kneel-down. I clocked the first half and there were 10 RO plays. On 8 of them, the RB took the ball. As I said in response to a post from @Iggles_Phan, I didn't believe Hurts was really running a true RO on most of them but was showing the RO action to freeze the DE.

Of the 6 running plays, 4 were designed as QB runs? The counter point to your argument is that other QB would have made more throws vs. scrambling for yards.  

43 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Alright, that's enough bickering for me. It's dinner time soon and I need to take a 5 hour nap so I can manage to make it to 8:15PM to watch a 6'5" white QB with a rocket arm. 

 

You watch him.   I'll watch the 6'2" non-white QB with the rocket arm.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

THAT

How do you spot a dad joke?

You should know, it's a parent.

10 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

The team as a whole did not play well for sure. The D gave up points quick and they did a great job at stopping the run, which is what got us to the playoffs in the first place....so...why did Hurts have a bad game specifically? Why was he not able to get anything going in the passing game?

 

Hurts didn't play well, the offensive line didn't play well, Kelce had his worst game in years, Goedert had a horrible drop in the first half that would have been a huge gain.  Coaching staff abandoned the run way too early and they completely failed in their game planning to get their best WR, DeVonta involved in the game at all early on.  It was terrible all around on offense and terrible on defense too.