9 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

You made a statement and he refuted it in a discussion. @Iggles_Phan has well articulated his concerns about Hurts in a thoughtful and conversational way.   There was no shouting just showing why he disputed your conclusion.  Most are aware of what could make Hurts a better QB.  But the traits that work against that have been part of him at Alabama, Oklahoma and for two years here.  I like the way @Next_Up points to the reality that he’s going to be the QB this year.  

Most are aware of how difficult it is to land a top QB.  Eagles have been trying for a long time. Turns out it wasn’t Wentz, wasn’t Vick, wasn’t Foles, wasn’t Bradford and in year three, Hurts hasn’t convinced us either.  There are real suggestions that the Eagles have attempted to replace Hurts. Now some of those may be pipe dreams (Watson) but the Wilsons (Zach and Russell) rumors seemed to have some meat on the bone.  

We’ve all been around long enough to know Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer Super Bowls are rare.  Sometimes Super Bowls are lightning in a bottle.  Heck Eli won two.  But most are because of really good QB play.  Sometimes the anomaly year (or in the case of Eli two years, but most from sustained long term really good play by the QB.  So, of course, we seek the unicorn. Would we really be fans if we didn’t?

I would add to this just cause you haven’t found it yet doesn’t mean you just stop looking cause it’s hard or rare to find. The chargers found Brees then rivers and now herbert. Sometimes you get the luck of the draw like they did hitting those 3. other times you have the eagles in what they’ve got at QB since mcnabb and sometimes you are the dolphins. But if hurts doesn’t pan out, it’s ridiculous to just settle on a QB that you aren’t in love with or don’t believe can lead you to a SB. This is a you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take. It’s why this offseason i was adamant about if the eagles loved a QB then go get him. Don’t wait thinking another is just going to come along. If you see that QB out there go get him and figure out everything else later. 

@LeanMeanGM

Trying to respect your weekend plans.  
 

Vikings 45 Eagles 24.  
 
Sweat gets a sack.

This prediction isn’t a negative on the offense as much as a reflection that I think we see a continuation of Gannon playing way too much quarters with no man match, zone match, MEG, MES or MOD and that Jefferson punishes Howie for not drafting him.

@LeanMeanGM

vikings 34

eagles 23

devonta leads the eagles in receiving yards 

18 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

They’re overrated. Had a good week 1 but no one was even talking playoffs for them heading into the season. Still need to win a few more games against good teams to be legit.

Cant tell which team you are describing…

8 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Mahommes has a wrist flick delivery that rivals Marino.  

Scary good. Rivals Vick with that no-effort 70 yd flick or a 10 yd out.

Plus all his underhand stuff, side tosses, quick pitches etc.

Seriously the Next Gen QB we have to learn how to defend against.

How do you counter that?

19 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

They’re overrated. Had a good week 1 but no one was even talking playoffs for them heading into the season. Still need to win a few more games against good teams to be legit.

 

I think there was some good buzz around the Vikings heading into the season.  I had them as my pick to win the NFC North.  Talented team on both sides of the ball with what looks like a good new HC.  

41 minutes ago, blindside said:

Idk why everyone is being so hard on Gannon. We won. Did y’all not see that we won the game? You guys are silly for talking about how Gannon may or may not be the DC moving forward. But that’s not a conversation for today. What he did was good enough to win, so that’s good enough. We can talk about the future of the DC position later. He may not be good enough to win us playoff games, but he was good enough Sunday. So everyone needs to shut up about it and just be happy we got a W. 

Funny, but it is apples to oranges

15 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

They’re overrated. Had a good week 1 but no one was even talking playoffs for them heading into the season. Still need to win a few more games against good teams to be legit.

 The Vikings don’t get any press because of GB, and their QB but, 
They have the best receiver in the NFL if not, he’s top 2, two good O tackles, two good edge rushers. Good LB’ers, Kendrick’s is one of the best coverage LB’s in the NFL, Jordan Hicks still tackles everything, plus Harrison Smith at S.  He’s lost a step but he’s still good.   Their issue is at CB, but it’s not crazy to say their 22 starters are better than the Eagles, and the Eagles have a better 53. 
 The Eagles haven’t beat anyone good since 2020.  

42 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 Nick admitted to not being an expert on defense.  I’m sure Howie will coach them up during their weekly game plan  review.  Gannon would have to have a vision and a scheme in order to recognize that he needs to start to disguise things.  

Nick doesn’t need to be an expert on defense but as an offensive coach he has to be able to see the defenses to know how to exploit the weaknesses.  Surely he can look at Gannon’s that way and see where it is easy to read.  If he continues like last game, I would posit that his scheme is primarily 4/2 2 gap with SAM rushing more often than not, sort of a 5/2 where the closest thing to a disguise is if the SAM or DE drops.  His base coverage last week was quarters. Ugh.  

9 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Funny, but it is apples to oranges

Can you explain how?

Just now, blindside said:

Can you explain how?

Gannon's defense sucked. Hurts played sort of well. Not great, but he wasn't a disaster like the defense. You can win with the way Hurts played. You're asking a lot from the OL, weapons, and coaches around him, but you can play winning football with that kind of performance. You can't win consistently with the way Gannon's defense performed.

11 minutes ago, Doc S. said:

Scary good. Rivals Vick with that no-effort 70 yd flick or a 10 yd out.

Plus all his underhand stuff, side tosses, quick pitches etc.

Seriously the Next Gen QB we have to learn how to defend against.

How do you counter that?

You do what Bowles did.  He took away Kelce with his really good LBs and pressed the receivers.  The DL mashed the pocket and prevented the run.  You really need LBs that can cover and play sideline to sideline against the best QBs.  The DC needs to be real clever with defense shifts at the snap.

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Gannon's defense sucked. Hurts played sort of well. Not great, but he wasn't a disaster like the defense. You can win with the way Hurts played. You're asking a lot from the OL, weapons, and coaches around him, but you can play winning football with that kind of performance. You can't win consistently with the way Gannon's defense performed.

Cant win consistently with either

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

What do you think will make Hurts a better QB.  What is the day 1 project?   I’m talking something that he can work on to improve.  Not a trait he lacks and would have to miraculously acquire.  But a tangible skill that he needs to improve.  

Valid questions, all. Our guy needs lotsa work. We all know this, including the Staff.  Gotta roll with what we have, limitations included until a better option presents. Just hope he's good enough to see us through til then.

I'd like to see the coaches focus on getting the ball out on time to intended targets. TE up the seam? Hit em in stride, 2.3 seconds. throw it.

Single coverage outside? Put it out there as intended, let our guy run under it. Run the play as called, no Improv. 

With our O line, he will have his pockets, will he be able to navigate and make the throws?

The skills are there mostly, for basic Offense anyway. The guy can play a bit, guide him and let him execute. 

....I'm optimistic but also a realist. Hope for the best, prepared to get bent over....

3 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Gannon's defense sucked. Hurts played sort of well. Not great, but he wasn't a disaster like the defense. You can win with the way Hurts played. You're asking a lot from the OL, weapons, and coaches around him, but you can play winning football with that kind of performance. You can't win consistently with the way Gannon's defense performed.

Wasn’t a huge part of the terrible defense bad tackling? What’s Gannon supposed to do about that? Plus, that same defense got us a pick six, that ended up being key in winning the game. Those stops at the end of the first half allowed us to get a lead and stay there. I think you’re being too hard on the guy.. and we won, so....

 

I hear ya.. but it’s not much different. Both units played well enough to win. Against the Lions. One unit seems to be above criticism, however. I mean, yeah, Hurts was better than Gannon on Sunday, probably. Doesn’t make either ok

 

5 minutes ago, blindside said:

Wasn’t a huge part of the terrible defense bad tackling? What’s Gannon supposed to do about that? Plus, that same defense got us a pick six, that ended up being key in winning the game. Those stops at the end of the first half allowed us to get a lead and stay there. I think you’re being too hard on the guy.. and we won, so....

 

I hear ya.. but it’s not much different. Both units played well enough to win. Against the Lions. One unit seems to be above criticism, however. I mean, yeah, Hurts was better than Gannon on Sunday, probably. Doesn’t make either ok

 

You don't think poor tackling has anything to do with Gannon? If you play a light front and poor scheme to defend the run, you're going to have more missed tackles when your DBs have to make difficult tackles. 35 points and almost 400 yards allowed against the Lions? Not sure I'm being hard enough. The defense was merely along for the ride. They weren't defending anything.

I agree that Hurts has to be better, no doubt about that. You're not going to beat the blitz with your legs each week. He has to find the hot route and be willing to hang in the pocket. I think 90% of the posters in here are in agreement on Hurts. You have a few posters like RTK and maybe afan who defend him to the nth degree. I think the rest of the discussion is just glass half full vs half empty.

10 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Gannon's defense sucked. Hurts played sort of well. Not great, but he wasn't a disaster like the defense. You can win with the way Hurts played. You're asking a lot from the OL, weapons, and coaches around him, but you can play winning football with that kind of performance. You can't win consistently with the way Gannon's defense performed.

The defense had like 4 three and outs at one point as well as a defensive TD. The defense for most of the game was fine. Then in the 4th quarter, both the defense and offense just completely fell apart.

For some people here that's an outstanding game

7 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

You don't think poor tackling has anything to do with Gannon? If you play a light front and poor scheme to defend the run, you're going to have more missed tackles when your DBs have to make difficult tackles. 35 points and almost 400 yards allowed against the Lions? Not sure I'm being hard enough. The defense was merely along for the ride. They weren't defending anything.

I agree that Hurts has to be better, no doubt about that. You're not going to beat the blitz with your legs each week. He has to find the hot route and be willing to hang in the pocket. I think 90% of the posters in here are in agreement on Hurts. You have a few posters like RTK and maybe afan who defend him to the nth degree. I think the rest of the discussion is just glass half full vs half empty.

I don’t disagree with you. But "glass half empty” points seem to be shunned when it comes to Hurts, but welcomed in terms of Gannon. Seems to be a bit of a double standard

46 minutes ago, blindside said:

I don’t disagree with you. But "glass half empty” points seem to be shunned when it comes to Hurts, but welcomed in terms of Gannon. Seems to be a bit of a double standard

Comparing Hurts’ game vs Detroit to the defense’s effort is a great example of why it’s impossible to have a halfway decent discussion about him.

I’d say a majority of the Blog is "glass half empty” regarding Hurts. How many people in here actually think he’s good enough to be the guy, or that he doesn’t have a lot of improvement to make as a passer? 

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Comparing Hurts’ game vs Detroit to the defense’s effort is a great example of why it’s impossible to have a halfway decent discussion about him.

I’d say a majority of the Blog is "glass half empty” regarding Hurts. How many people in here actually think he’s good enough to be the guy, but r that he doesn’t have a lot of improvement to make as a passer? 

I understand what you’re saying. But that’s not really what’s happening. I’m not sure who thinks what, to be honest. I know there are some old heads (long time blog posters)  in here that have seemed to take this position of "Let’s defend Hurts, but also admit we don’t think he’s the answer.” Which is fine. 
 

but after the game, criticism of his lack of progress as a passer was met with "Chill, we won. He didn’t improve as a passer but did enough to win.” 
 

Where as criticizing an up and down (mostly down) defensive performance was open season. 
 

I get that "Hurts haters” have a stigma, so this whole "look at me, I’ve been posting in the blog since the good ol’ days, look how reasonable I am by not taking a position” thing is the new "in” thing.” I totally understand it. 
 

But for a bunch of really smart guys to act like it’s ludicrous to criticize a "winning” QB performance that showed zero progress in the area we've talked about literally all winter, spring, and summer.. it just seems a little disingenuous and kind of self-righteous. Like, I get it. I remember when the blog was all just reasonable discussion too. I’ve been an every day blog guy since 03 or 04. But to downright pretend that they don’t understand the criticism is just.. silly. 

12 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Step one, release/delivery.  Specifically arm slot.  Maybe he throws over the top because he needs to do so to get enough on the ball.  But that sweeping over the top release is time consuming and effects accuracy.   In line with his release, is his footwork.  He gets too wide at times and then gets high on his toes.  I’m assuming his over the top release brings his stance up.  I’m sure QB/throwing gurus like Tom House know this and have realized that those drastic changes won’t work for him.  But they still need to tweak his delivery.  Too much arm and not enough zip.  As I stated last night when talking about Marino and Mahomes, arm talent is just as much about the wrist as it is the arm.  He really is like a mini Cam Newton, just not as strong.  Mobility and throwing mechanics.  
 

I don’t think the passing skills are there.  But the changes I listed are a lot easier said than done. 
 

An easier and quicker fix is focusing more on climbing the pocket or sweeping/clearing his body and resetting.  A nice example is a pass play he made to Goedert last year in Denver.  Shifting in the pocket to the left, cleared his body, reset and made a nice throw for a TD I’d I remember correctly.  The coaches need to show him that over and over again.  

This is fair.  I just think calling him a RB (or worse talking about his speech or dress) crosses a line.  He's a QB.  His skill set might never be good enough but that just puts him in the bucket of all but about 10-15 guys at most.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Step one, release/delivery.  Specifically arm slot.  Maybe he throws over the top because he needs to do so to get enough on the ball.  But that sweeping over the top release is time consuming and effects accuracy.   In line with his release, is his footwork.  He gets too wide at times and then gets high on his toes.  I’m assuming his over the top release brings his stance up.  I’m sure QB/throwing gurus like Tom House know this and have realized that those drastic changes won’t work for him.  But they still need to tweak his delivery.  Too much arm and not enough zip.  As I stated last night when talking about Marino and Mahomes, arm talent is just as much about the wrist as it is the arm.  He really is like a mini Cam Newton, just not as strong.  Mobility and throwing mechanics.  
 

I don’t think the passing skills are there.  But the changes I listed are a lot easier said than done. 
 

An easier and quicker fix is focusing more on climbing the pocket or sweeping or clearing his body and resetting.  A nice example is a pass play he made to Goedert last year in Denver.  Shifting in the pocket to the left, cleared his body, reset and made a nice throw for a TD I’d I remember correctly.  The coaches need to show him that over and over again.  

I'm speechless! (almost). I knew you had it in you. Nice to have you back!

His mechanics suck in the pocket. No base, no push off that back foot.  Panic sets in way too soon in light of the O Line capabilities to build and hold a pocket....That can be taught but usually in 7th grade...

His athleticism has allowed him to progress to this point but his flaws are exposed at this level.

Do you think he's a recoverable guy with proper coaching or is he locked into his style of play and that's it?

Give him his due. he's a hellofa talent generally speaking, but lacks the nuances to successfully execute the QB position as to reading, anticipating, defeating the blitz etc....We all know this.

He's fun to watch and if he played for somebody else I'd tune in for the entertainment value but he's my guy and I'm not Sold.

Riding the Wave but holding on to my Hat. May be a quick exit.

 

1 hour ago, Texas Eagle said:

They’re overrated. Had a good week 1 but no one was even talking playoffs for them heading into the season. Still need to win a few more games against good teams to be legit.

I think getting rid of Zimmer for O’Connell is an immense improvement at least short term. Long term we'll wait and see but that alone improves them. Their D is still a work in progress and their O-line is still not great. I don’t have a great feeling about this game. It feels a lot like the Raiders game last year. 

55 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 The Vikings don’t get any press because of GB, and their QB but, 
They have the best receiver in the NFL if not, he’s top 2, two good O tackles, two good edge rushers. Good LB’ers, Kendrick’s is one of the best coverage LB’s in the NFL, Jordan Hicks still tackles everything, plus Harrison Smith at S.  He’s lost a step but he’s still good.   Their issue is at CB, but it’s not crazy to say their 22 starters are better than the Eagles, and the Eagles have a better 53. 
 The Eagles haven’t beat anyone good since 2020.  

We beat someone good in 2020? 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Who talks about his speech or how he dresses?   They all dress like morons.  Did you see R Wilson the other night?  Look at the NBA players.  Joe Burrow dresses like a turd too.  Hurts acts like cloths and fashion is part of his job.  The photo ops are Fing stupid.  That’s all.  

As far as how he speaks?  Again, who said anything about that?
 

He does play like a RB at times.  So I’ll call him a RB at times.  Oh well.  And he’ll learn the hard way that a good QB in the NFL doesn’t play that way.  It’s not really a matter of IF, but WHEN he’ll get hurt.  

There was someone in the other thread who did that.  He's a QB who runs the RPO and who leaves the pocket too quickly sometimes.  There have been a lot of QBs who had that flaw. Sure maybe it proves to be a fatal flaw ultimately but he's still a QB