5 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Am I allowed to say that I think he’s good enough to be the guy but that he also has a lot of improvement to make as a passer?

At some point, I don't think you are allowed to say that.  

Planes run out of runway if they don't lift off eventually.

5 hours ago, mattwill said:

I completely agree with your assessment of the Defense.  However, the Offense was MIA for the last half of the 3rd Quarter plus the whole 4th Quarter.  That was not playing at a functional level in my opinion.

They scored 31 points and didn’t commit any turnovers. They ran out the final 4 minutes of the game to save the defense from blowing it.

What is your definition of functional if the Eagles offense fell short of that standard?

Interesting note on TNF.   

The entire game is still there and available to be watched from the pre-game hoopla all the way through to the final moments.   5 hours 21 minutes worth.   

 

I won't be tuning in to TNF still, but this is interesting for Amazon and the NFL moving forward.  I wonder if they will make all the games available like this when they get the full slate of games.

6 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Am I allowed to say that I think he’s good enough to be the guy but that he also has a lot of improvement to make as a passer?

You could, but if the goal is to compete for a Super Bowl I’m not sure why you would. 

When people are critical of Hurts, I think a lot of it comes from a place of concern going forward, not just the Detroit game. It wasn't a single game that happened in a vacuum, there's a track record that preceded it. And the concern going forward is that an offense predicated on a heavy dose of RPOs and slants typically has a short shelf-life without a more competent passer under center. We've seen it play out before so I get it, and mostly agree with the sentient. But I think some of his critics are making the same mistake of focusing too much on the Lions game also. At the end of the day, he was taking what the defense gave him and protected the ball. I'm a big proponent of "Can't go broke taking a profit," so I'm not gonna try too hard to be critical of the offense in this one particular game.

All that being said, I feel like we've seen enough of Hurts at this point to know who he is and who he will be, and the answer to that is not a very good QB. We can, and must do better, if we ever want to be a serious contender in this league. That style of offense might win you some playoff games if it were paired with a stout defense, but we haven't seen any indications of that coming to fruition either.

In summary, Hurts still sucks and will continue to suck, but a win is a win I guess.

@LeanMeanGM

Eagles win 30-28

Cousins has 2 TDs but also 2 Ints

Kenny Gainwell gets a receiving TD

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

When people are critical of Hurts, I think a lot of it comes from a place of concern going forward, not just the Detroit game. It wasn't a single game that happened in a vacuum, there's a track record that preceded it. And the concern going forward is that an offense predicated on a heavy dose of RPOs and slants typically has a short shelf-life without a more competent passer under center. We've seen it play out before so I get it, and mostly agree with the sentient. But I think some of his critics are making the same mistake of focusing too much on the Lions game also. At the end of the day, he was taking what the defense gave him and protected the ball. I'm a big propellent of "Can't go broke, taking a profit" so I'm not gonna try too hard to be critical of the offense in this one particular game.

All that being said, I feel like we've seen enough of Hurts at this point to know who he is and who he will be, and the answer to that is not a very good QB. We can, and must do better, if we ever want to be a serious contender in this league. That style of offense might win you some playoff games if it were paired with a stout defense, but we haven't seen any indications of that coming to fruition either.

In summary, Hurts still sucks and will continue to suck, but a win is a win I guess.

My critique focuses on the continuation of designed QB runs, and would count the ROs in that as well.   I am a dinosaur and miss the FB... but that's never coming back.   But, I abhor using your most expensive and most crucial piece to success as a battering ram.  I was equally critical of the offense the Bills ran in their first game.   Allen ran way too much.  Hurts ran way too much.  Flip the 8 QB designed runs to runs by Sanders, Scott, etc. and I would feel much differently today.   Flip a number of the drop backs to runs as well, to slow down the blitz, and I feel even better. 

That is not to say that I'd feel better about Hurts as a passer, but I would feel better about the coaching staff, at least the offensive staff.

And I think the decision by Sirianni to not bring in any older veteran coach is coming back to haunt him.  Would be nice, in the heat of the game, to have a more experienced voice to offer advice to the young staff in real time.  Calling Jay Wright, and old college coaches is fine and dandy, but none of the people he's calling for advice during the week, last I checked, ever coached in the NFL.  And coaching 18-23 year olds is very different than coaching multi-millionaire 30+ year olds in the NFL.  Just seems like that there's a lack of wisdom within the ranks, and no one is there to fill in those gaps.

On 9/15/2022 at 1:33 PM, LeanMeanGM said:

What should be the judgement of that? Flags thrown, or enough of a tussle other players get involved? Or a you’ll know when you see it?

Let's say personal foul flags thrown and more than 2 players get involved (in actual fighting or breaking up the fight). 

Doc Rivers must have gotten into the booze last night. Never drink and Twitter at the same time.  

I wondered what happened to Penix Jr. 

I see he transferred to Washington. 

He was a playmaker for Indiana. Now he looks like he as taken a giant leap  as a passer in Washington. Something to keep an eye on when they start playing decent opponents. 

17 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Doc Rivers must have gotten into the booze last night. Never drink and Twitter at the same time.  

 

Not many good matchups today  , imo you have

PS /Auburn 

canes /TX A&M

Maryland /SMU

looking forward to watching , Rising , Will Rogers and Levis , might be my 3 favorite QBs 

 

 

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I wondered what happened to Penix Jr. 

I see he transferred to Washington. 

He was a playmaker for Indiana. Now he looks like he as taken a giant leap  as a passer in Washington. Something to keep an eye on when they start playing decent opponents. 

I rather have Bradberry on Jefferson than Slay

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

You could, but if the goal is to compete for a Super Bowl I’m not sure why you would. 

It's not impossible that he shows improvement enough to score enough against good teams this year. If I had to make the decision tomorrow whether to give him a big contract I would not but we'll what we see in a few days and the rest of the season

11 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Step one, release/delivery.  Specifically arm slot.  Maybe he throws over the top because he needs to do so to get enough on the ball.  But that sweeping over the top release is time consuming and effects accuracy.   In line with his release, is his footwork.  He gets too wide at times and then gets high on his toes.  I’m assuming his over the top release brings his stance up.  I’m sure QB/throwing gurus like Tom House know this and have realized that those drastic changes won’t work for him.  But they still need to tweak his delivery.  Too much arm and not enough zip.  As I stated last night when talking about Marino and Mahomes, arm talent is just as much about the wrist as it is the arm.  He really is like a mini Cam Newton, just not as strong.  Mobility and throwing mechanics.  
 

I don’t think the passing skills are there.  But the changes I listed are a lot easier said than done. 
 

An easier and quicker fix is focusing more on climbing the pocket or sweeping/clearing his body and resetting.  A nice example is a pass play he made to Goedert last year in Denver.  Shifting in the pocket to the left, cleared his body, reset and made a nice throw for a TD I’d I remember correctly.  The coaches need to show him that over and over again.  

Wow! I am impressed. 👍

11 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And the only reason they run the RPO as much as they do is because who the QB is.  They don’t want a limited passing game, RPO- college style offense.  I can guarantee that.  

They ran the RPO three times against Detroit. None in the second half.

Now, if you want to say they overuse the read option I might agree with you.

Welp, just going by the intro I can tell you we're doomed.  Don't make mistakes, make the simple play, don't get injured.  Great.  If those are the goals for your QB that should tell you he isn't it.  Make the simple play?  

 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Welp, just going by the intro I can tell you we're doomed.  Don't make mistakes, make the simple play, don't get injured.  Great.  If those are the goals for your QB that should tell you he isn't it.  Make the simple play?  

I agree with your overall point but sometimes the simple play is the smart play. And I would say Hurts makes smart plays a lot. 

27 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Not many good matchups today  , imo you have

PS /Auburn 

canes /TX A&M

Maryland /SMU

looking forward to watching , Rising , Will Rogers and Levis , might be my 3 favorite QBs 

 

 

Oregon-BYU for me. Although I hate Bo Nix as Oregons QB.

It's obvious the more Hurts continued to play well and the Eagles win the more upset the blog will become over it.  Wild to see people saying Hurts sucks or played bad in the Detroit when it's so detached from the reality that he played well and was a major reason they won. 

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

It's obvious the more Hurts continued to play well and the Eagles win the more upset the blog will become over it.  Wild to see people saying Hurts sucks or played bad in the Detroit when it's so detached from the reality that he played well and was a major reason they won. 

I think a lot of people look at the stats and that sways opinion. Hurts had a good game against Detroit. He made mistakes and he missed plays but I don't think they win that game without him. 

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Welp, just going by the intro I can tell you we're doomed.  Don't make mistakes, make the simple play, don't get injured.  Great.  If those are the goals for your QB that should tell you he isn't it.  Make the simple play?  

 

Have you noticed the narrative has changed drastically of late from "let him develop into a passer" to whatever the hell this stance is....it's like they know it can't be changed, but they can't let go of supporting him so they moved the goalpost to "you can win this way if...." It blows my mind. 

12 hours ago, Doc S. said:

Valid questions, all. Our guy needs lotsa work. We all know this, including the Staff.  Gotta roll with what we have, limitations included until a better option presents. Just hope he's good enough to see us through til then.

I'd like to see the coaches focus on getting the ball out on time to intended targets. TE up the seam? Hit em in stride, 2.3 seconds. throw it.

Single coverage outside? Put it out there as intended, let our guy run under it. Run the play as called, no Improv. 

With our O line, he will have his pockets, will he be able to navigate and make the throws?

The skills are there mostly, for basic Offense anyway. The guy can play a bit, guide him and let him execute. 

....I'm optimistic but also a realist. Hope for the best, prepared to get bent over....

 

11 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Step one, release/delivery.  Specifically arm slot.  Maybe he throws over the top because he needs to do so to get enough on the ball.  But that sweeping over the top release is time consuming and effects accuracy.   In line with his release, is his footwork.  He gets too wide at times and then gets high on his toes.  I’m assuming his over the top release brings his stance up.  I’m sure QB/throwing gurus like Tom House know this and have realized that those drastic changes won’t work for him.  But they still need to tweak his delivery.  Too much arm and not enough zip.  As I stated last night when talking about Marino and Mahomes, arm talent is just as much about the wrist as it is the arm.  He really is like a mini Cam Newton, just not as strong.  Mobility and throwing mechanics.  
 

I don’t think the passing skills are there.  But the changes I listed are a lot easier said than done. 
 

An easier and quicker fix is focusing more on climbing the pocket or sweeping/clearing his body and resetting.  A nice example is a pass play he made to Goedert last year in Denver.  Shifting in the pocket to the left, cleared his body, reset and made a nice throw for a TD I’d I remember correctly.  The coaches need to show him that over and over again.  

The timing is the big thing for me.  One, Two, Three, ball out.   Hit the back foot, throw.  Hit the back foot, throw.  Hit the back foot, throw.   And the only way to do that is to force him to do that in practice.   What better place than a 7 on 7 to really force that mechanic into him?   The sad part is that we heard he was scrambling in 7 on 7 drills.  That's on the coaches as much as its on him.  Blow the whistle.  When the ball isn't out on time, plus an extra beat - the play is over.  Anything that happens after that is all improv anyway.  The receivers are through their routes and now are running scramble drill.   Did that happen?   Sure sounded like it didn't.   And that's on the coaching staff.  

Again, I am a dinosaur, but I believe that there needs to be a 'hard ass' coaching a QB.  It could be the position coach, the OC or the HC.   But one of them has to challenge the QB to be perfect.  Not good enough, literally... perfect.    And that means in the meeting rooms, and on the practice field.  It does not mean in the public eye or in press conferences.    Wentz' best season was 2017, and there's no debate on that.   And he had DeFilippo, apparently, up his butt constantly about technique, progressions, etc.  Reich was the 'good cop' to DeFilippo's 'bad cop'.  And what we got from it was an MVP-caliber season, and the foundation for a Super Bowl run.  The next year, DeFilippo was gone.  Reich was gone, and everybody wanted to be friends.  These guys don't need to be friends, they need to be work associates.  I am a firm believer in iron sharpening iron.  Have some blow outs, have some disagreements, but at the end of the day, everyone is pulling towards the same goal.   Make the QB better, so that the team can have better success.   The QB should want to be better, because that means a bigger payday and longer career (aka, more pay days).

I go back to the start of the Reid era.  He was very direct with McNabb.  He told him what he wanted him to do and what he didn't.  And what we got from that was a more polished QB by year 4.  There were growing pains along the way, there were some tough spots.  But, the goal never changed.   AND... while Reid did throw the ball much more than we all would have preferred... those extra throws were more reps to work on things.  And, I truly believe Reid wasn't interested in getting an extra regular season win.   I think his focus the whole time was on putting McNabb through a crucible in the regular season so that when the team needed him to be that guy as a passer in the playoffs, he'd be ready for it.   Ultimately, that never really panned out, and Reid might have leaned too heavily on that, even in the post-season too soon in the game.   But, I think that was the thought process.  But, Reid never let McNabb 'get freaky' as a focus of the offense.  On the contrary, he always focused on McNabb getting the ball out of his hands.  And the most dangerous QBs in the NFL are not the ones with the ball in their hands making plays... its the ones making plays by getting the ball OUT of their hands and to the other play makers.    As I was taught long ago... the ball travels much faster when its thrown than when you run with it.  To quote Ron Jaworski, "Big plays and points come out of the passing game."   

Until Hurts gets coaching that pushes him in that direction, and I mean really pushes him in that direction, he will be what he is and the ceiling won't increase.

17 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Oregon-BYU for me. Although I hate Bo Nix as Oregons QB.

Like to see Rattler have a nice game against GA , doubt it happens  though , SC don’t have those type of weapons to match up with GA