32 minutes ago, downundermike said:

FYP

Yeah hoping Levis gets better as the season progresses. Having a nice day but haven’t been very impressed so far.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Is Lamar awesome though?  I would expect some awesomeness to leak through into a playoff game.    Seems to me to be a regular season stat compiler much more than an awesome QB.  Certainly not worth that level of investment.

I'm on record that I do not want my QB's rushing attempts anywhere near his completions in any game.  In the playoffs, Lamar has: 

1st year:  17 points total
9 Rushes
14 Completions

2nd year: 12 points - 0 TDs offensively
20 Rushes
31 Completions

3rd year: Game 1 - finally a win - 20 points scored 
16 Rushes
17 Completions

Game 2
9 Rushes
14 Completions

 

For his career: 54 rushes, 76 Completions.   3 TD passes, 5 INTs.  (4 total TDs, 7 Total turnovers)

Where is the awesomeness?

 

38-12-0 career record.  87 TD passes, 21 rushing TDs & only 32 interceptions for his career.  

 

Meanwhile of the other top young QBs around the league he has had by far the worst surrounding cast of skill players on offense.  Mark Andrews is a top TE.  He had Hollywood Brown but I just think he's an above average WR and isn't really anything special at the position.  Never really had anything special at RB either.  Nothing bad but just solid RBs.  Meanwhile Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow, Watson and Josh Allen by the the time of his 3rd year all have gotten to play with much more talent around them on offense.  You could even throw Kyler into that mix as well.  

 

Right now it is looking like Hurts is be in the MVP conversation by seasons end so it's very unlikely the Eagles will be looking at another QB in the offseason.  But it could be something lethal to see Lamar Jackson in an offense with a lot of talented skill players around him.  I think back to Vick in 2010 where he suddenly was stepping into an offense with a great offensive line and young in their primes DeSean Jackson, LeSean McCoy & Jeremy Maclin.  

 

4 hours ago, devpool said:

You don't throw sub-60% without missing plays. He badly underthrew several passes, one of which would have been a TD to brown (I believe) if it had been thrown in stride.

This is where it's ridiculous, "mistake free". There are other mistakes to make aside from turnovers and he did make them

The play down near the goal line to Gainwell was bad because a decent throw likely would have been a TD, and Smith was an easy throw for a TD or DPI because the CB handed him off to the safety, who simply grabbed him 

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Hilarious when you think for a second that 66.1, , 64.4, 64.4 is worse than 61.3....or 16 is more than 36 or 26

Also not saying I'd make the trade, but Jackson is significantly better than Hurts 

10 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

You realize, I hope, that he wouldn't be forced to sign with the Bengals if they wanted him. He's a free agent, free to sign a contract with any team he would choose. Why would he choose to sign with the Bengals rather than the team that he's played for for a number of years and is planning on having him start for the next month?

 

Maybe he's got a Chase Daniel mentality and if the Bengals were offering him more money he'd oblige to take it while avoiding the inevitability of him getting the crap kicked out of him the next few weeks and potentially any team ever having interest in him as a backup.  But really it was a funny thought, don't look into it so deeply and get your feathers all ruffled over it.  

Hurts in the MVP discussion 

 

Levis having a bit of a bad game 2 int and a fumble 

6 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Hilarious when you think for a second that 66.1, , 64.4, 64.4 is worse than 61.3....or 16 is more than 36 or 26

Hilarious when you think those completion percentages are "legit"  Your words, not mine.

Lamar is a RB not a QB. You cant win Superbowls or be consistant with a college style QB scheme which Lamar and the Ravens run. Maybe you took my post the wrong way about Hurts. Hurts is not good either but I see more out of his passing then Ive seen out of Lamar and hes younger. Hurts however is a backup in the NFL but Id rather have him for one more cheap year till we get a real QB then trade for a loser like Lamar who will take us no where for a long time with the contract he wants. 

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Is Lamar awesome though?  I would expect some awesomeness to leak through into a playoff game.    Seems to me to be a regular season stat compiler much more than an awesome QB.  Certainly not worth that level of investment.

I'm on record that I do not want my QB's rushing attempts anywhere near his completions in any game.  In the playoffs, Lamar has: 

1st year:  17 points total
9 Rushes
14 Completions

2nd year: 12 points - 0 TDs offensively
20 Rushes
31 Completions

3rd year: Game 1 - finally a win - 20 points scored 
16 Rushes
17 Completions

Game 2 - 3 points.
9 Rushes
14 Completions

 

For his career: 54 rushes, 76 Completions.   3 TD passes, 5 INTs.  (4 total TDs, 7 Total turnovers)

Where is the awesomeness?

 

Lamar had a game with 360 yards passing and lost too. Overall, I do agree that Lamar has been suboptimal in the playoffs...but that's true for most QBs. 

IMO the biggest problem for the Ravens for years has been Greg Roman. He gets demolished by the better coaches every time. 

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Is Lamar awesome though?  I would expect some awesomeness to leak through into a playoff game.    Seems to me to be a regular season stat compiler much more than an awesome QB.  Certainly not worth that level of investment.

 

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

38-12-0 career record.  87 TD passes, 21 rushing TDs & only 32 interceptions for his career.  

I highlighted the portion of my post that actually deals with what you posted.   Regular season stat compiler... Playoff results... 

1-3, more turnovers than TDs, no matter how you count them.  And far too much running, because that's who he is.

What an awful day of CFB, can we hurry up with those super conferences already?

I've had more than my share of watching powerhouses beat up on backwater schools.

6 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Hilarious when you think those completion percentages are "legit"  Your words, not mine.

Lamar is a RB not a QB. You cant win Superbowls or be consistant with a college style QB scheme which Lamar and the Ravens run. Maybe you took my post the wrong way about Hurts. Hurts is not good either but I see more out of his passing then Ive seen out of Lamar and hes younger. Hurts however is a backup in the NFL but Id rather have him for one more cheap year till we get a real QB then trade for a loser like Lamar who will take us no where for a long time with the contract he wants. 

For price and ish, and knowing we were going to draft a guy next year...sure Hurts. My pov was if I had to pay one going forward, Lamar all day. 64% and 26tds is not awful. 61.3 and 16 is a backups back up

 

2 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

Brock Bowers might be the best overall college TE I've seen in a long time.

He's gonna score alot of TDs on Sundays.

But can he block inline?

1 minute ago, Shalodeep said:

For price and ish, and knowing we were going to draft a guy next year...sure Hurts. My pov was if I had to pay one going forward, Lamar all day. 64% and 26tds is good 

 

No its not unless you only want to be an average team and maybe sniff the playoffs once in a while

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

No its not unless you only want to be an average team and maybe sniff the playoffs once in a while

We did that with 16 and 61.3.... 

Again, don't want Lamar, but to think Hurts is better than Lamar at anything makes little sense to me

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

Lamar had a game with 360 yards passing and lost too. Overall, I do agree that Lamar has been suboptimal in the playoffs...but that's true for most QBs. 

IMO the biggest problem for the Ravens for years has been Greg Roman. He gets demolished by the better coaches every time. 

That happens to a lot of QBs... because when your team is losing, you have to pass to try to get back into the game.   Lamar has been worse than suboptimal in the playoffs.  He's been bad.   But, more importantly, the style he plays gets stifled easier in the playoffs... and perhaps more important than even that, you can't justify paying a QB $40M and pay multiple first round picks when that QB's primary skill isn't the passing game.

Paying $40M/year AND multiple picks can only be spent when you are trading for a QB that is at the level of a Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow or Josh Allen.  You don't pay that premium for a QB with the negatives that Lamar has.  You draft a QB with one of those picks, maybe both, and you use the time with the cheaper contract to put better players around that QB and try to develop that QB.  With finite resources, you have to be very careful about long term investments. 

2 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

We did that with 16 and 61.3.... 

With the easiest sch in the league and playing 3rd string even PS players and QBs in the back half of the season. 

The point is to get better. With Lamar or Hurts going forward this team is crap. We need a QB, not a RB taking the snaps. Im realistic unlike most, to me this is a 8-9 win team even with the upgrades we made this year. Our only positive is the div is total crap. 

Will Levis and these F'in INTs. They guy just can't help himself.

3 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

With the easiest sch in the league and playing 3rd string even PS players and QBs in the back half of the season. 

The point is to get better. With Lamar or Hurts going forward this team is crap. We need a QB, not a RB taking the snaps. Im realistic unlike most, to me this is a 8-9 win team even with the upgrades we made this year. Our only positive is the div is total crap. 

I have us in a similar range and don't think we pass 10 until a different QB takes over, and I much prefer a passer. I legit would of had minshew starting this year and drafted a guy next year just to have a real offense this year 

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That happens to a lot of QBs... because when your team is losing, you have to pass to try to get back into the game.   Lamar has been worse than suboptimal in the playoffs.  He's been bad.   But, more importantly, the style he plays gets stifled easier in the playoffs... and perhaps more important than even that, you can't justify paying a QB $40M and pay multiple first round picks when that QB's primary skill isn't the passing game.

 

You can't play this game, then say Lamar is bad for low passing totals because they did win a playoff game as an underdog with a ball control passing attack.

44 minutes ago, mattwill said:

The first seven possessions of the game were functional ... as was the 10th possession.  They fit the definition of functional

The 8th and 9th possessions had a total of seven snaps (plus two punts) producing a total of 12 net yards and one delay of game penalty.  Those two possessions were not functional.

That seems like a long way of saying the offense was functional.

 

 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Wow.  Seemed low watching.  Thanks.

I was surprised myself. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

 

I highlighted the portion of my post that actually deals with what you posted.   Regular season stat compiler... Playoff results... 

1-3, more turnovers than TDs, no matter how you count them.  And far too much running, because that's who he is.

 

He's 25 years old.  His career in the playoffs is far from finished.  He's a QB that wins at such a high right that he is pretty much always going to have his team in the playoffs.  He's going to have many chances to go on some deep playoff runs over the course of his career.  Manning was discussed as a playoff choker for much of his career and he didn't end up winning as well as just going to his first Super Bowl until he was 30.  

8 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He's 25 years old.  His career in the playoffs is far from finished.  He's a QB that wins at such a high right that he is pretty much always going to have his team in the playoffs.  He's going to have many chances to go on some deep playoff runs over the course of his career.  Manning was discussed as a playoff choker for much of his career and he didn't end up winning as well as just going to his first Super Bowl until he was 30.  

He’s pretty much the antithesis if Peyton Manning. But great passers are old hat. The NFL is clearly being overrun with QBs run first and pass when everything plays out just right.