I think the only way Lamar ever wins a Super Bowl is if his team is just so dominant they steamroll everybody in the playoffs. In terms of being able to make those tough throws in win-or-go home scenarios, I just don't see it. I didn't see it in Carson either btw, which is why I used to get branded a "hater."

Foles for stretches is truly the only guy like that we've had on this team in decades, maybe ever. Kinda sad really.

41 minutes ago, RLC said:

You can't play this game, then say Lamar is bad for low passing totals because they did win a playoff game as an underdog with a ball control passing attack.

Just pointing out in that game he had more than half of his passing yards when they were down by 22 points with 18 mins left in the game. He had 186 yards after they got down 22 late in the 3rd.  This is the exact same thing people complained about with Jalen hurts last year against playoff opponents like the Bucs and raiders and cowboys. So he threw for 360 yards meanwhile over half of them came the last 18 mins of the game when the other team began playing soft coverage so the clock would run on completions. they knew ravens had no chance in coming back in that game with the offense they ran. Henry had 195 rushing yards. so clock wise they weren’t getting enough possessions to do it cause they couldn’t stop him and the ravens passing offense wasn’t good enough (plus lamar also threw a pick right after they got down 22 which made it even more unlikely and titans really went into soft coverage cause the next ravens possession didn’t start til 4th quarter )

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

You can't play this game, then say Lamar is bad for low passing totals because they did win a playoff game as an underdog with a ball control passing attack.

I said he was bad because his game is predicated on running.    When teams get up big, defenses get softer and give up yards for time off the clock.   Sorry, but that's been a truth for a long time in the NFL.   Many times across the entire league, the QB with the highest passing yards on the day is a losing team.  

They got into a deep hole... First down 14-0... managed 2 FGs.  Then they got into a deeper hole 28 - 6.  So, Tennessee gave up yards.  

Do you want to go through how he got to the 360 yards in that game? 

Score 0-0 
First drive.  1 for 2, 12 yards and 1 INT (2 rushes)

Now trailing 7-0
Second drive. 2 for 2, 10 yards (1 rush)

Now trailing 14-0
Third drive.  0-2, 0 yards.  (1 rush)

Still trailing 14-0
Fourth drive.  2 for 6, 46 yards (3 rushes).  Drive ends with 5:57 left in the first half with a FG.

5 for 12, 68 yards  with 1 INT.   And 7 rushes.

So, in the final 35 minutes of the game, he put up 300 yards passing... meanwhile, they scored only 9 more points and were never really in the game.

Trailing 14-3.
Fifth drive...
7 for 11, 101 yards.  (1 rush) Ends with a FG

Trailing 14-6
Sixth drive...
2 for 6, 17 yards (5 rushes).  No points.

Now Trailing 21-6
Seventh drive... 
Sacked and fumbles on first play.

At this point in the game, Lamar is 14 for 29, 186 yards.  1 INT, 1 FUMBLE LOST.   (13 rushes)

Now Trailing 28 - 6
Eighth drive... 
4 for 7, 33 yards  1 INT (1 rush)

Now... 18 for 36, 219 yards.  2 INT, 1 FUMBLE LOST (14 rushes).  This is his stat line going into the 4th quarter.

4th quarter he put up the rest of the yards.  140 yards passing, 6 points.  But did Tennessee really care at that point?   They were just marking the time until the game ended.  Up 22... what was there to fear?

So, yes... I am going to discount his 360 yards passing in that game, because he wasn't good passing the ball, even though he got a lot of yards.  Through 3 quarters, 50% completions and 3 turnovers.  He was bad.  What happened in the final 15 minutes weren't important to the outcome, even though he did improve his completion percentage to 52.9% on the game.  More importantly, he ran 20 times for 143 yards... but there were only 9 carries by any other player the entire game.   They put the game on Jackson... and he turned the ball over 3 times.  Yards?   Do the yards really matter in that game?

 

That seems good. 

BYU with some bad play calling 

Oh nice call Franklin you dumb F 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I said he was bad because his game is predicated on running.    When teams get up big, defenses get softer and give up yards for time off the clock.   Sorry, but that's been a truth for a long time in the NFL.   Many times across the entire league, the QB with the highest passing yards on the day is a losing team.  

They got into a deep hole... First down 14-0... managed 2 FGs.  Then they got into a deeper hole 28 - 6.  So, Tennessee gave up yards.  

Do you want to go through how he got to the 360 yards in that game? 

Score 0-0 
First drive.  1 for 2, 12 yards and 1 INT (2 rushes)

Now trailing 7-0
Second drive. 2 for 2, 10 yards (1 rush)

Now trailing 14-0
Third drive.  0-2, 0 yards.  (1 rush)

Still trailing 14-0
Fourth drive.  2 for 6, 46 yards (3 rushes).  Drive ends with 5:57 left in the first half with a FG.

5 for 12, 68 yards  with 1 INT.   And 7 rushes.

So, in the final 35 minutes of the game, he put up 300 yards passing... meanwhile, they scored only 9 more points and were never really in the game.

Trailing 14-3.
Fifth drive...
7 for 11, 101 yards.  (1 rush) Ends with a FG

Trailing 14-6
Sixth drive...
2 for 6, 17 yards (5 rushes).  No points.

Now Trailing 21-6
Seventh drive... 
Sacked and fumbles on first play.

At this point in the game, Lamar is 14 for 29, 186 yards.  1 INT, 1 FUMBLE LOST.   (13 rushes)

Now Trailing 28 - 6
Eighth drive... 
4 for 7, 33 yards  1 INT (1 rush)

Now... 18 for 36, 219 yards.  2 INT, 1 FUMBLE LOST (14 rushes).  This is his stat line going into the 4th quarter.

4th quarter he put up the rest of the yards.  140 yards passing, 6 points.  But did Tennessee really care at that point?   They were just marking the time until the game ended.  Up 22... what was there to fear?

So, yes... I am going to discount his 360 yards passing in that game, because he wasn't good passing the ball, even though he got a lot of yards.  Through 3 quarters, 50% completions and 3 turnovers.  He was bad.  What happened in the final 15 minutes weren't important to the outcome, even though he did improve his completion percentage to 52.9% on the game.  More importantly, he ran 20 times for 143 yards... but there were only 9 carries by any other player the entire game.   They put the game on Jackson... and he turned the ball over 3 times.  Yards?   Do the yards really matter in that game?

 

I kind of explain some of it in the post above yours. But in that game, the ravens couldn’t stop Derrick Henry and Lamar threw the interception right after they got down 22, then they didn’t get the ball back until the fourth quarter. The Titans knew that the ravens couldn’t stop them on the ground enough to get enough possessions and the ravens passing attack wasn’t equipped to play from that far behind and be a quick strike offense. so they went into a really soft coverage because every completion helped the clock run . Hence why they got so many yards in the 4th. This is like when hurts threw for 326 against Dallas in week 3 last year. 

number 0 for ducks , crazy ability 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I kind of explain some of it in the post above yours. But in that game, the ravens couldn’t stop Derrick Henry and Lamar threw the interception right after they got down 22, then they didn’t get the ball back until the fourth quarter. The Titans knew that the ravens couldn’t stop them on the ground enough to get enough possessions and the ravens passing attack wasn’t equipped to play from that far behind and be a quick strike offense. so they went into a really soft coverage because every completion helped the clock run . Hence why they got so many yards in the 4th. This is like when hurts threw for 326 against Dallas in week 3 last year. 

Yup.  Tannehill had 7 completions for 88 yards, but 2 TDs.  He did 'enough'.  Henry also threw for a TD.  Henry ran for 195 on them.  

Regardless whether you think Lamar is a top tier QB in this league (he’s not), you can’t pursue a player that insists on busting your salary cap while making it impossible to sign/extend other players around him.  He’s insisting on top of market salary and a fully guaranteed deal to leave the organization cash-strapped and cap-strapped.

Yea Lamar is not a $40 mil a year QB. He isn't even a $30 mil a year QB. He should happily take $28ish and even that is high for a QB whose game revolves around his ability to run which will obviously deteriorate as the contract progresses 

Has anyone ever thought about why Philly is on Lamar's short list?

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Has anyone ever thought about why Philly is on Lamar's short list?

… he knows he’s a better QB than what they got

43 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

That seems good. 

PFF probably ranks them 7th 

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Has anyone ever thought about why Philly is on Lamar's short list?

 

Lot of talent on offense.  Something Baltimore hasn't put a lot of effort in surrounding him with. 

Very very impressed by Jaren Hall from BYU.

Has all the makings of a 1st rd QB.

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wouldn’t be thrilled. He is better than hurts. I just don’t think he holds up long term. He’s already gotten hurt. But i do think the eagles would definitely be in on him. I remember when we drafted hurts, one of the beat reporters said their source told them the eagles saw lamar and how he was being used by the ravens and saw it as a direction in which the NFL could be moving towards 

Same I’m just trying to see where the threshold is at for a QB with that skill set. Lamar is better than Hurts, but I don’t think the price is worth it. 

17 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Has anyone ever thought about why Philly is on Lamar's short list?

I've thought about it.  Then I moved on.

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Same I’m just trying to see where the threshold is at for a QB with that skill set. Lamar is better than Hurts, but I don’t think the price is worth it. 

Not even close. He's gotten worse across the board in pretty much every possible way for a couple of years now, consistently.

1 hour ago, blindside said:

He’s pretty much the antithesis if Peyton Manning. But great passers are old hat. The NFL is clearly being overrun with QBs run first and pass when everything plays out just right. 

No the problem is these High Schools and Colleges are dominantly a one read then run system so these QBs are not taught the correct ways of playing QB anymore. When Arch manning comes out is going to be many teams tanking at the end of the season to get a real true QB again in the draft. 

1 hour ago, Saltpeter said:

I think the only way Lamar ever wins a Super Bowl is if his team is just so dominant they steamroll everybody in the playoffs. In terms of being able to make those tough throws in win-or-go home scenarios, I just don't see it. I didn't see it in Carson either btw, which is why I used to get branded a "hater."

Foles for stretches is truly the only guy like that we've had on this team in decades, maybe ever. Kinda sad really.

Lamar wins a SB as a 35-38 year old backup

34 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Not even close. He's gotten worse across the board in pretty much every possible way for a couple of years now, consistently.

He's been figured out.  His MVP season, he was a novelty, now NFL defenses have caught up.     

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Regardless whether you think Lamar is a top tier QB in this league (he’s not), you can’t pursue a player that insists on busting your salary cap while making it impossible to sign/extend other players around him.  He’s insisting on top of market salary and a fully guaranteed deal to leave the organization cash-strapped and cap-strapped.

That's why I almost feel it's necessary how this team is built to go draft a dude. I know it may be a waste for slays years and yada yada, but QB pay is a nightmare on caps, especially for teams who don't draft weapons very well

I like how I was blasted all offseason anytime I read the tea leafs and pointed out that Lamar is the most likely option next season if Hurts doesn't end up being the guy.  Now that Lamar has interest many of those same people that blasted me and the idea as nonsense are being forced to face the reality of the possibility. 

It makes no sense for the eagles to ditch hurts for a slightly better, 30x more expensive version that is just going to lead to more early playoff exits unless the defense turns into a powerhouse.