8 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Bowden will be on his third team in 2 years. Why exactly are we hyped about him?

Most versatile player in a long time. RB, WR, QB, return specialist. He does it all. And is a legit playmaker at each of those spots. He isnt jack of all trades master of none. He can get it done from anywhere.

His issue, that made him drop in the draft, and likely makes him a journeyman is that hes not really a very good person. So I doubt the eagles will actually be interested.

A suggestion.  You guys take the blog to seriously, and think it is a haven of upper level football knowledge.  It is actually more like a bar, a bunch of drunk guys bantering about football and whatever else comes to mind. 

Not that I want any of you to leave, but there is a second blog on this very message board.  It is over in The 411, and it seems to stay 100% football all day.  I will post in their occasionally, but it is kind of boring.  

Once again, I DON'T WANT ANY OF YOU TO LEAVE THE BLOG, but maybe this place is what you are looking for.

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Godfather said:

That's a lot of wrs to have on a roster who's qb can't throw

Allen is there 99% for special teams. I'm torn on whether they go 5 or 6 deep at WR.

13 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Don't sleep on Scott, he'll play as much or more than Gainwell. He's a better runner and is solid in the screen game.

They need a 4th RB b/c I don't think you can count on Sanders for more than 10 games.

Scott is a better goal line back due to his fire hydrant build, but better runner overall? Nah.

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

The only one of that lot I don't have on ignore is Outlaw, who I have no idea who that is.  So anyone that I was conversing with about Carson Strong actually bieved in Carson Strong and that is evidenced on how they continue to defend Strong and can't come to grips with reality that he wasn't that good and went undrafted for reasons beyond just his knee. 

You know me. I'm everywhere, Focker.

10 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

dont need WR's

Bowden at RB is an instant upgrade over Gainwell.

Bowden at QB... (We know that wont happen but you know where Im going).

Bowden on returns is instantly the best option on the team.

Bowden does a lot more than WR. 

5 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Well, if the place is infested with cockroaches…

PTATE would fix that if it is possible on the new board. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Bowden at RB is an instant upgrade over Gainwell.

Bowden at QB... (We know that wont happen but you know where Im going).

Bowden on returns is instantly the best option on the team.

Bowden does a lot more than WR. 

Whoa. I like Bowden, but I'm a bigger Gainwell fan. Watch yoself!

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

Allen is there 99% for special teams. I'm torn on whether they go 5 or 6 deep at WR.

Scott is a better goal line back due to his fire hydrant build, but better runner overall? Nah.

You know me. I'm everywhere, Focker.

I say 5 wrs and 4 rbs due to Sanders injury history. No harm in adding depth at that spot

Just now, Godfather said:

I say 5 wrs and 4 rbs due to Sanders injury history. No harm in adding depth at that spot

Cool. Even more reason to grab Bowden. Just name him a RB.

Sanders, Gainwell, Scott, Bowden

Brown, Smith, Watkins, Pascal, Allen

Just now, Outlaw said:

Cool. Even more reason to grab Bowden. Just name him a RB.

Sanders, Gainwell, Scott, Bowden

Brown, Smith, Watkins, Pascal, Allen

He'll be the super weapon Jackson failed to become

12 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I did a couple posts before.  Who are the QBs that Lurie has invested in heavily as an owner? McNabb, Vick and Wentz.  What did they all have in common? All three were athletic mobile QBs who could keep plays alive with their legs and make plays with their legs if need be. Lamar Jackson fits that mold.  If Hurts isn't the guy and the Eagles are looking for a new QB next year they are first going to look at trying to obtain a top established veteran QB before looking to the draft because this roster is built to win presently as is. If you look across the landscape of the league, Lamar is as of now the most likely good top veteran QB that could be available next offseason. 

He didn't "invest heavily" in Vick at all. But sure, rewrite that narrative. 

11 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

How is it trolling? There are no carbon copy QBs out there.  Every QB has their own style, their own strengths and their own weaknesses.  There is a distinction between every QB.  

There is no such thing as a run first QB in the league.  A QB would have to run more than they pass to be run first.  That's why it's such a stupid term people like you use. 

Of course there's not an exact carbon copy. But there are absolutely prototypes. The only distinction between Lamar and Hurts is that Lamar is superior at everything Hurts does well. But they're essentially the same QB. If you refuse to acknowledge that, then there's no point in discussing anything with you. 

Yes, I'm the only one who uses that term Imma break down why Hurts/Lamar style QBs are bad for one last time:

1 - they're very unique in their running ability, and if/when they do get hurt, they're nearly impossible to replace. So you've now re-designed your entire offense to take advantage of their running ability, and when they get hurt from taking extra hits, you have to complete re-design your playbook again. 

2 - It affects WRs. What's the point of running a perfect route, when Hurts can't even progress to a 2nd read? The plays quickly break down into backyard football, where everybody is just scrambling around. WRs inevitably get frustrated and lash out (see Hollywood Brown in Baltimore for recent proof). 

3 - Defenses and co-ordinators are able to neutralize their best skill (running) when it matters (playoffs). Usually, teams in the playoffs are well coached and have talent, and they render the running QB ineffective. Because the running QB relies on his legs, he doesn't learn to go thru progressions and play from the pocket. Thus, when forced to play from the pocket because of what the defense is doing, he struggles massively (see, any game against a good team we played last year). 

4 - There's no long term future for running QBs. How many have had lengthy careers? There aren't any, that didn't at some point convert to being a predominantly pocket passing QB. Why is that? Because they are running so much more, they take far more hits than a standard pocket QB would.

 

So, it isn't about Hurts himself. It's about the philosophy of having a QB who's best asset is his running ability. That's what a run first QB is. And it's a terrible idea to build your offense around that. Baltimore now is screwed, because they have to decide if they want to pay Lamar mega money, knowing that his best years are likely behind him already. We are fortunate that we will move on from Hurts after this year. But I'd bet a lot of money that we don't end up with another QB who's best asset is his running ability. It's fine to have mobility as a QB (like Wentz, McNabb, et all), but both of those guys had far superior arm talent to their leg talent. That's the difference. 

5 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

You know me. I'm everywhere, Focker.

 

Honestly nothing notable about any interactions I may have had with you here.  Certainly don't notice your posts or would ever realize if you ever stopped posting here. 

Just now, Outlaw said:

Whoa. I like Bowden, but I'm a bigger Gainwell fan. Watch yoself!

Gainwell was awesome as a freshman. I began touting him back then. Was disappointed it would be so long till he was in the draft. He lost something along the way.

In the NFL you occasionally see a flash of that old burst, but he usually doesnt have it anymore. He catches the ball well. He has ok speed. Thats about it.

He runs weaker than a rookie McCoy. 

Hes not it.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Gainwell was awesome as a freshman. I began touting him back then. Was disappointed it would be so long till he was in the draft. He lost something along the way.

In the NFL you occasionally see a flash of that old burst, but he usually doesnt have it anymore. He catches the ball well. He has ok speed. Thats about it.

He runs weaker than a rookie McCoy. 

Hes not it.

Yep. It's why I asked the question about Bijan recently. Our RB room is severely overrated by a few in here. It's actually really bad, and hidden by how great our o-line is. Scott should be fringe player in this league, not fighting for our 2nd spot. I'm hoping KG improves this year, but I don't have much expectations. Sanders is dead to me. I'm serious when I say the best thing we could do would be converting Hurts to full time RB and letting Minshew play QB. But of course that will never happen. 

On that JoeyShakes youtube channel there is a video about eagles pursuing Kenyan Drake. The tweet comes from some feed called MIFOOTBALL. Doesnt see to have a blue check. 

Lists eagles, bills, and patriots as teams after him. "per source" 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

He didn't "invest heavily" in Vick at all. But sure, rewrite that narrative. 

Of course there's not an exact carbon copy. But there are absolutely prototypes. The only distinction between Lamar and Hurts is that Lamar is superior at everything Hurts does well. But they're essentially the same QB. If you refuse to acknowledge that, then there's no point in discussing anything with you. 

Yes, I'm the only one who uses that term Imma break down why Hurts/Lamar style QBs are bad for one last time:

1 - they're very unique in their running ability, and if/when they do get hurt, they're nearly impossible to replace. So you've now re-designed your entire offense to take advantage of their running ability, and when they get hurt from taking extra hits, you have to complete re-design your playbook again. 

2 - It affects WRs. What's the point of running a perfect route, when Hurts can't even progress to a 2nd read? The plays quickly break down into backyard football, where everybody is just scrambling around. WRs inevitably get frustrated and lash out (see Hollywood Brown in Baltimore for recent proof). 

3 - Defenses and co-ordinators are able to neutralize their best skill (running) when it matters (playoffs). Usually, teams in the playoffs are well coached and have talent, and they render the running QB ineffective. Because the running QB relies on his legs, he doesn't learn to go thru progressions and play from the pocket. Thus, when forced to play from the pocket because of what the defense is doing, he struggles massively (see, any game against a good team we played last year). 

4 - There's no long term future for running QBs. How many have had lengthy careers? There aren't any, that didn't at some point convert to being a predominantly pocket passing QB. Why is that? Because they are running so much more, they take far more hits than a standard pocket QB would.

 

So, it isn't about Hurts himself. It's about the philosophy of having a QB who's best asset is his running ability. That's what a run first QB is. And it's a terrible idea to build your offense around that. Baltimore now is screwed, because they have to decide if they want to pay Lamar mega money, knowing that his best years are likely behind him already. We are fortunate that we will move on from Hurts after this year. But I'd bet a lot of money that we don't end up with another QB who's best asset is his running ability. It's fine to have mobility as a QB (like Wentz, McNabb, et all), but both of those guys had far superior arm talent to their leg talent. That's the difference. 

 

At the end of the day Lurie does not take any of your opinions into advisement.  He doesn't take mine into advisement either but I don't fool myself to speak with certainty that the Eagles will do this or that based on my feelings.  I'm just pointing to the obvious when you look at the type of QB this owner prefers, how the Eagles will arget a veteran first over drafting a QB and who the top QB most likely available next offseason will be.  

 

That's why it's so funny to me people like you who won't even let themselves enjoy the ride of this young team on the rise because you have such a personal grudge against the QB.  Be careful what you wish for because the next likely option if Hurts isn't the guy is another QB that you're going to be miserable with as a fan.  It's not going to be Carson Strong, it will likely be Lamar Jackson unless the Ravens sign him to a new deal before the next offseason approaches. 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Cox is on the down side now.  Frankly, he shouldn't have been brought back, especially at the number they signed him to.  I'd rather not have Cox and have signed Marcus Williams.  Oh well.  At least we had 2017.

Cox is costing a lot of "dead” money in 2022, 2023 and 2024.  But I suspect there may be some cushioning of the way it hits with this contract.  If I am reading Spotrac and Over the Cap correctly, he has a base salary of $1.5 million and a roster bonus of $2.5 million this year and next. It is the $12 million roster bonus, spread right now to 2026 but four void years that drives his cap figure.  Well, that and the astronomical already paid restructuring guaranteed money that is dead from his last contract because Howie got into cap hell.  As a June 1 cut this year, that money was spread over 2022 and 2023.  In other words, Cox is quite possibly an Eagle next year, at a cost of $4 million (plus $2.5 million in prorated signing bonus already accrued).  That would give the Eagles $7.5 million dead in 2024.  I think the "void” years even allow them to designate him a June 1 and spread that between 2024 and 2025.  I suspect that will be governed some by his play this year, in other words is he worth an additional, $4 million next year.  Either way, Cox is a heck of a big hit on the 2023 cap.

14 minutes ago, justrelax said:

He does that to you too? Sniff. And here I thought I was special.

Lol yeah.

 

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Honestly nothing notable about any interactions I may have had with you here.  Certainly don't notice your posts or would ever realize if you ever stopped posting here. 

I only notice yours due to how moronic they usually are. 

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Yep. It's why I asked the question about Bijan recently. Our RB room is severely overrated by a few in here. It's actually really bad, and hidden by how great our o-line is. Scott should be fringe player in this league, not fighting for our 2nd spot. I'm hoping KG improves this year, but I don't have much expectations. Sanders is dead to me. I'm serious when I say the best thing we could do would be converting Hurts to full time RB and letting Minshew play QB. But of course that will never happen. 

I like Sanders, other than that he is injured too much. I know he has flaws. Mainly to me, that his pass catching became so bad. I dont agree that he dances too much and leaves too much yardage on the field. I think hes an elite runner in the league right now.

But due to his unreliability, you need a good, versatile #2. Not a good role player at #2. He has to be able to be counted on as a spot starter for a few games a year.

Scott is not that guy. He does ok because of our OL, like you said. Hes a role player. Hes a fine #3. We need a legit #2. With some speed, some power, and some passing game ability. Not just one or 2 of those things. Or, if it is one or 2 of those things, he better be elite at it. Like Blount was just a power back, but he was elite at that.

Hurts would be a nice RB. Reminds me a bit of Ryan Mathews in his running style. Not sure how well he would read blocks back there. Hes more of a chicken with his head cut off kind of runner. Not sure he could play RB within the confines of called plays.

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

At the end of the day Lurie does not take any of your opinions into advisement.  He doesn't take mine into advisement either but I don't fool myself to speak with certainty that the Eagles will do this or that based on my feelings.  I'm just pointing to the obvious when you look at the type of QB this owner prefers, how the Eagles will arget a veteran first over drafting a QB and who the top QB most likely available next offseason will be.  

Let's look at the history a little closer.

They made McNabb become a pocket passer.  Andy Reid worked on Vick's passing game. The spent more draft capital on Carson Wentz, a pocket passer with some running ability.  They won a Super Bowl with a pocket passer.  

They have drafted Foles, Kolb, Thorson, traded for Minshew.  

Lurie's own words have said he wants a passing offense.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Cox is costing a lot of "dead” money in 2022, 2023 and 2024.  But I suspect there may be some cushioning of the way it hits with this contract.  If I am reading Spotrac and Over the Cap correctly, he has a base salary of $1.5 million and a roster bonus of $2.5 million this year and next. It is the $12 million roster bonus, spread right now to 2026 but four void years that drives his cap figure.  Well, that and the astronomical already paid restructuring guaranteed money that is dead from his last contract because Howie got into cap hell.  As a June 1 cut this year, that money was spread over 2022 and 2023.  In other words, Cox is quite possibly an Eagle next year, at a cost of $4 million (plus $2.5 million in prorated signing bonus already accrued).  That would give the Eagles $7.5 million dead in 2024.  I think the "void” years even allow them to designate him a June 1 and spread that between 2024 and 2025.  I suspect that will be governed some by his play this year, in other words is he worth an additional, $4 million next year.  Either way, Cox is a heck of a big hit on the 2023 cap.

What an awful contract.

Howie really effed that one up 

For all the talk by him if not getting attached to super bowl players and knowing when to let guys go he totally screwed the pooch on this one.

Cox is no where near worth that contract anymore, hasn't been ever since he hurt his foot 

If he was playing at 2017 level still he'd be totally worth it but he's a shadow of his former self these days 

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

At the end of the day Lurie does not take any of your opinions into advisement.  He doesn't take mine into advisement either but I don't fool myself to speak with certainty that the Eagles will do this or that based on my feelings.  I'm just pointing to the obvious when you look at the type of QB this owner prefers, how the Eagles will arget a veteran first over drafting a QB and who the top QB most likely available next offseason will be.  

 

That's why it's so funny to me people like you who won't even let themselves enjoy the ride of this young team on the rise because you have such a personal grudge against the QB.  Be careful what you wish for because the next likely option if Hurts isn't the guy is another QB that you're going to be miserable with as a fan.  It's not going to be Carson Strong, it will likely be Lamar Jackson unless the Ravens sign him to a new deal before the next offseason approaches. 

Do you have reading comprehension issues? 

Read the first two sentences of my last paragraph. 

And way to just gloss over all the other points I raised. Also, the last QBs for the Eagles have been....Hurts (drafted), Wentz (drafted), Bradford (trade), Foles (drafted), Vick (signed after being in jail), and McNabb (drafted). 

10 hours ago, downundermike said:

And the Eagles shut the official board down due to a lack of traffic.

A lot of it is just a few people going back and forth most of the times

 

17 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

How is it if I have been gone for hours. Here you can jump to the last post and pick up right where I left off. How does that work on a discord?

 

Ill say it sounds solid once you get used to it. But I really dont like the idea of losing a whole bunch of members from here to a different place. This is home to me. 

You can jump back to the last read message but I will admit it's not quite as reliable doing this as the message board - which works perfectly every time.

Ideally nobody would be left behind. All the same people just on a different platform with better access controls and more functionality.

But I'm certainly not trying to start a mutiny or anything. I'm sure a huge amount of work has gone into setting up and maintaining this message board - more than I will ever know! I'm just exploring whether a different platform could give everyone an improved experience - given that we're here for different reasons.