28 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

I have been and still are one of those that's been taking a wait and see approach with Hurts. However, this game he showed some real progress and did some things that many thought he would never be capable of. I believe that should change the whole narrative from questioning his ability to one of consistency. It has for me anyway. I think last night's performance showed he has the ability to be a starting QB. I think the only question that now remains is can he do it on a consistent basis.

I is moreso thinking- can he ever do it again?

If he does, then I are thinking about if he can do it consistently

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

My guess is still that Howie is keeping a serious eye on the QBs in the draft.  I am sure they like what they see from Hurts so far this season.  If he plays like last night for the majority of the season and they make a deep run in the playoffs, I am not sure what the Eagles do.  I don't think there is room for a mid-range QB deal for Hurts.  If you're Hurts, why take $20 million a season when the franchise tag is around $30 million. Conversly, why offer Hurts that kind of money when you do not think he can bring the team a Championship.  The team can get competent play from a bridge QB like Minshew for much cheaper than $20 million.  Just draft a QB and move on from Hurts if he's not worth an elite deal.  On the other hand, if he plays this team into real contention then the team has to seriously consider giving him a top 5-10 QB deal.  Keep in mind, it will be cheaper to get that extension after this season vs. after an above average type of season in 2023.  

I'll play along with the "what would Howie do" game. Howie is always going to look at options but if Hurts is "Howie's guy" he's going to get a favorable contract based on the market at that time. Howie's not going to try and low ball Hurt's and I don't think it's a good idea to start negotiations off with "we like you but....". If you believe "he's our guy" you have to give him a respectful offer.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

If Hurts believes he has performed well enough to get top tier money, why would his agent advise him to take less than that? If the Eagles think he is worth that, why not pay him? I don't see a scenario where Hurts holds out at the beginning of the season.  

What Hurts believes he's worth might not be the same as what Howie believes he's worth (See ARI with Kyler Murray this spring/summer).  I'm sure both the Eagles and Hurts would handle negotiations far better than ARI and Murray did, but I could see a discrepancy when talking about both 2023 and an extension.  

I think the Eagles either extend or trade Hurts after this season, depending how it plays out on the field.  I don't see a middle ground for next season.

29 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

I have been and still are one of those that's been taking a wait and see approach with Hurts. However, this game he showed some real progress and did some things that many thought he would never be capable of. I believe that should change the whole narrative from questioning his ability to one of consistency. It has for me anyway. I think last night's performance showed he has the ability to be a starting QB. I think the only question that now remains is can he do it on a consistent basis.

What would be your opinion if the Vikings ended up sucking this year?

I think Hurts has been fantastic this year but after Wentz, Vick, Nab, Randall etc I think it’s not an if but when injuries take their toll and he loses a lot of his athleticism. Guys that run a lot get hurt. It’s tough because in the short term (couple years at least) he will probably be a really good player. Tough decision to make. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

What Hurts believes he's worth might not be the same as what Howie believes he's worth (See ARI with Kyler Murray this spring/summer).  I'm sure both the Eagles and Hurts would handle negotiations far better than ARI and Murray did, but I could see a discrepancy when talking about both 2023 and an extension.  

I think the Eagles either extend or trade Hurts after this season, depending how it plays out on the field.  I don't see a middle ground for next season.

Don't you mean Ravens and Lamar? Cards gave Murray a huge contract and so far it looks like it was a mistake

14 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

What would be your opinion if the Vikings ended up sucking this year?

I think the Vikings are gonna compete with Green Bay for the division. and May very well win that division cause i don’t think GB is as dangerous or good as the previous two years. I’d be surprised if they didn’t get a playoff spot this year. Then again i really wouldn’t be shocked if they lost to the lions this Sunday. 
 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

What Hurts believes he's worth might not be the same as what Howie believes he's worth (See ARI with Kyler Murray this spring/summer).  I'm sure both the Eagles and Hurts would handle negotiations far better than ARI and Murray did, but I could see a discrepancy when talking about both 2023 and an extension.  

I think the Eagles either extend or trade Hurts after this season, depending how it plays out on the field.  I don't see a middle ground for next season.

If they trade Hurts, it's because they drafted a QB in the first.  I can easily see the Eagles passing on a QB early and giving Hurts the 2023 season.  I don't think Hurts has leverage to request a trade.  I also don't think he wants to be traded.  He has been given a great opportunity here and there are many teams where he wouldn't have the path to success he has with the Eagles.  So even if they don't extend him, he would make more money by sticking it out another season.  

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Don't you mean Ravens and Lamar? Cards gave Murray a huge contract and so far it looks like it was a mistake

I don't think there's really been much 'negotiations' between the Ravens and Lamar Jackson.  Lamar has stuck to his demand of a fully guaranteed deal, and the Ravens (according to reports) offered him a deal slotted between Wilson and Murray, with $160M guaranteed -- which is exactly where he should be.

You are correct, however.  Those two contract negotiations with Murray and Jackson have similar variables to an extension with Hurts -- how long do you trust a QB with a propensity for running to contact to stay healthy and effective enough to warrant a deal?

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

What would be your opinion if the Vikings ended up sucking this year?

They have a big game next week against the Lions.  

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the Vikings are gonna compete with Green Bay for the division. and very well win that division cause i don’t think GB is as dangerous or good as the previous two years. I’d be surprised if they didn’t get a playoff spot this year. Then again i really wouldn’t be shocked if they lost to the lions this Sunday. 
 

I don't know what to make of the Vikings. They had a lot of dropped passes that impacted the game.  They didn't seem to be able to run the ball and the Eagles were able to get interior pressure.  I think they have some issues in their interior o-line that will make it difficult to be consistent.  If they do not win against the Lions next week, I am not sure they are going to be able to win the division.  

Given that Hurts is now an elite QB and everything wrong has suddenly been erased based on one game, I wonder what our NFC championship game against a Cooper Rush led Cowboys team will look like. 

4 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Given that Hurts is now an elite QB and everything wrong has suddenly been erased based on one game, I wonder what our NFC championship game against a Cooper Rush led Cowboys team will look like. 

That's a gimme game. I'm more interested if we will be up by 20 TDs over the Bills at the SB half time.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

They have a big game next week against the Lions.  

I don't know what to make of the Vikings. They had a lot of dropped passes that impacted the game.  They didn't seem to be able to run the ball and the Eagles were able to get interior pressure.  I think they have some issues in their interior o-line that will make it difficult to be consistent.  If they do not win against the Lions next week, I am not sure they are going to be able to win the division.  

Garrett Bradbury has really been a disappointment for them since they drafted him. A lot of people were high on him the year he came out of nc state. Vikings reporter was on Sirius before the game saying he’s awful and if he were the eagles that’s where he’d attack. Their weakness is definitely the interior of the oline. Particularly center and right guard where Ingram is a rookie. On defense i think their corners aren’t that great. I think dantzler is ok. But Peterson is old and not a starter anymore. I think the packers WRs are just not very good (watson and doubs eventually might be and watson dropped a td that really set the vibe of that game) so was harder to exploit them. 

23 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

What would be your opinion if the Vikings ended up sucking this year?

The only thing that should matter now is how he plays the rest of the season. That said I don't believe you can take away some of things he did last night even if the Vikes turn out to be a horrible team. At the very least he showed us he can look like a legit starting QB against a horrible team. I don't believe that has ever been the case.

7 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Given that Hurts is now an elite QB and everything wrong has suddenly been erased based on one game, I wonder what our NFC championship game against a Cooper Rush led Cowboys team will look like. 

 

2 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

That's a gimme game. I'm more interested if we will be up by 20 TDs over the Bills at the SB half time.

Forget the next 15 games, let's lock him up now for the next 10yrs.  $400M guaranteed seem fair?

Best part is Jalen just turned 24.  He's going to keep improving every season for years until he hits his peak as a player. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Garrett Bradbury has really been a disappointment for them since they drafted him. A lot of people were high on him the year he came out of nc state. Vikings reporter was on Sirius before the game saying he’s awful and if he were the eagles that’s where he’d attack. Their weakness is definitely the interior of the oline. Particularly center and right guard where Ingram is a rookie. On defense i think their corners aren’t that great. I think dantzler is ok. But Peterson is old and not a starter anymore. I think the packers WRs are just not very good (watson and doubs eventually might be and watson dropped a td that really set the vibe of that game) so was harder to exploit them. 

I wanted to see a replay of his blocked FG.  I've seen him block a few, and they get nullified every time because he is offsides.  I was curious if he was again.  

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Best part is Jalen just turned 24.  He's going to keep improving every season for years until he hits his peak as a player. 

I hope so.

He is more likely going to break down like Cam with the punishment he takes.

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Titans offense goes through Henry

Mailata looked like he was beat a couple of times. Considering he's still newer to the game than everyone

So glad 12 personnel is over as well

We ran 12 personnel about one-third of the time. Out of 60 64 plays, 12 personnel on 21.

Eagles’ Jalen Hurts’ dismantling of Vikings leaves NFL wondering: Can anyone stop him?

https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/philadelphia-eagles/2022/09/how-eagles-jalen-hurts-passing-and-ability-to-spread-the-ball-have-shown-he-can-be-a-franchise-qb.html

16 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

They have a big game next week against the Lions.  

I don't know what to make of the Vikings. They had a lot of dropped passes that impacted the game.  They didn't seem to be able to run the ball and the Eagles were able to get interior pressure.  I think they have some issues in their interior o-line that will make it difficult to be consistent.  If they do not win against the Lions next week, I am not sure they are going to be able to win the division.  

The whole Vikings team just looked off in just about every facet of the game. I don't think they are as bad as they played last night while not being as good as they played against Green Bay. It's still very early in the season, it's hard to know what form any team is going to take. 

1 minute ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

Eagles’ Jalen Hurts’ dismantling of Vikings leaves NFL wondering: Can anyone stop him?

https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/philadelphia-eagles/2022/09/how-eagles-jalen-hurts-passing-and-ability-to-spread-the-ball-have-shown-he-can-be-a-franchise-qb.html

After a 24 point performance and no TD's in the 2nd half? 

5 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

 

Could Hurts really have as high a ceiling as ..... Nate Sudfeld??

26 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

The only thing that should matter now is how he plays the rest of the season. That said I don't believe you can take away some of things he did last night even if the Vikes turn out to be a horrible team. At the very least he showed us he can look like a legit starting QB against a horrible team. I don't believe that has ever been the case.

Correct.  Last night was his best performance as a pro, hands down.   I'd have liked to see him protect himself a little more on some of the runs, including the second TD.  But, those types of plays are going to be made by competitive QBs when they smell the goal line.     The decision to keep and run on that play was definitely the right one.   A few times he ran that I'd prefer he have thrown the ball away.   And in the second half, he gave himself up a little faster than in the first half.   That's maturation process for a mobile QB.   

I am still bothered that they are using him as a featured runner though.  I don't like it.  And I will never like it.  Just how I am wired.   I don't want my QB taking 'unnecessary' hits.  This is different to me than a bootleg where there is a run pass option, like the 2nd TD.  That's a classic waggle where the QB is usually going to be untouched to the sideline if he runs - and Hurts was.   Then he turned back inside at the 4.  I'd have been happier to see him run out of bounds, but at least he got into the end zone.   There was no guarantee he scores there when he turned back inside.  In fact, if the defender hadn't been trying to strip him, but instead just held him up, he'd have potentially been hit with a rib shot by the next defender.   To me, the risk wasn't worth the reward, even though we got the reward.  

That's my: 

18 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I hope so.

He is more likely going to break down like Cam with the punishment he takes.

Yes.  That's my concern as well.  Cam also complained for years about the lack of protections afforded to him while playing that style.  I haven't seen Hurts get much protection either with that style.  

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I hope we play against that umbrella coverage the rest of the season.  I wonder when the Minnesota DC will publish his book, "How not to defend Jalen Hurts”.  

I don’t get it. I’d just watch the playoff game vs the Bucs and do whatever they did. Obviously it’s probably not that simple but still.