I just got around to watching the JT O’Sullivan review of Hurts vs WAS. Very interesting analysis about the lack of hot reads built into the O… my assumption was that Hurts wasn’t making these reads particularly during the DET game, but it’s very possible they weren’t available (which is weird and will be exploited if not prepped).
 

 

57 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I remembered you mentioning this

 

Yeah... that's a little sensational.

2nd impact syndrome was clearly not in play here. 

Things go downhill very,  very quickly with that.  He could be dead before they have a chance to get him off the field.  You'd have seen CPR being done on the field and a whole bunch of other crap happening.

If he was lucky to survive,  he wouldn't have been cleared from the hospital so quickly.  We would be looking at permanent brain damage. Significant cognitive and physical deficits.

Of course that is a concern,  to try to avoid that, and a big reason why they need to have handled last weeks head injury better. 

2nd impact syndrome,  to my knowledge has never occurred in any sport other than football.  It's been a few years since I learned that,  so maybe that's no longer true.  But with that said,  that's incentive for football teams, most of all,  to be more careful than anyone else. Miami seems to not have cared about that. 

27 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Haha - no, I don't trust large corporations.  I just don't think there is some coordinated cover by the NFL.  I am sure there is implicit bias to clear these teams. I just don't think the NFL benefits by clearing the Dolphins.  I also believe the investigators were likely sincere in their investigations.  It doesn't mean they did a good job or were competent.  More to your point, the NFL does not avoid a lawsuit by clearing the Dolphins if Tua had a concussion on Sunday.  

 

NFL wants to move past the concussion topic. It hurts the brand and it hurts their future if parents don't let their kids play the game.  After all the smoke they blow up everyone's ass about how much they do to make safety from concussions a priority you can bet their ass they'd try to sweep it under the rug that a team let a concussed player back into the game. 

46 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

There is unquestionably a value now to having Jalen do designed runs in addition to scrambles.  I do think it should be limited to high leverage situations where his rushing ability is more of a factor in the game.  

I don't want it completely gone... I just want it used with extreme caution.  And I want him to be smarter about avoiding contact entirely.  Going out of bounds is a good outcome... better than sliding.  Sliding still allows for the defender to jump on top of you without penalty... as we witnessed in the Lions' game.  Getting hit out of bounds is always a flag for a QB.  

I was exceedingly disappointed to see a designed run for him last week while they were up by 3 possessions in the second half.  That's just not 'high leverage' enough for me.  That was reckless.  

As for the rushing attempts... his rushing attempts are ridiculously high on a per game average.   Newton over his career has about 7.5 rushes per game.  Hurts in the games he's started has over 10 per start.  That's concerning to me.  And while I understand what you are saying about the effectiveness of him as a threat running... I also think that there's a diminishing return on him trying to run over people.  It's not just his rushing attempts, but his style while doing so.   How much wear and tear is there on his shoulders while lowering his shoulder to truck a guy?  And what does that look like on his body 3 or 4 years from now?  He doesn't have the strongest arm in the league as it is.  Will wear and tear hurt his ability to throw with proper form, impact his velocity, or accuracy?  Time will tell.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

Haha - no, I don't trust large corporations.  I just don't think there is some coordinated cover by the NFL.  I am sure there is implicit bias to clear these teams. I just don't think the NFL benefits by clearing the Dolphins.  I also believe the investigators were likely sincere in their investigations.  It doesn't mean they did a good job or were competent.  More to your point, the NFL does not avoid a lawsuit by clearing the Dolphins if Tua had a concussion on Sunday.  

The Dolphins are also a corporation. 

56 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I just got around to watching the JT O’Sullivan review of Hurts vs WAS. Very interesting analysis about the lack of hot reads built into the O… my assumption was that Hurts wasn’t making these reads particularly during the DET game, but it’s very possible they weren’t available (which is weird and will be exploited if not prepped).
 

 

Yup I saw this a couple days ago and said the same.

Expecting hurts to beat blitzes with his feet and not have hot reads built in is just asking for trouble.

45 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yeah... that's a little sensational.

2nd impact syndrome was clearly not in play here. 

Things go downhill very,  very quickly with that.  He could be dead before they have a chance to get him off the field.  You'd have seen CPR being done on the field and a whole bunch of other crap happening.

If he was lucky to survive,  he wouldn't have been cleared from the hospital so quickly.  We would be looking at permanent brain damage. Significant cognitive and physical deficits.

Of course that is a concern,  to try to avoid that, and a big reason why they need to have handled last weeks head injury better. 

2nd impact syndrome,  to my knowledge has never occurred in any sport other than football.  It's been a few years since I learned that,  so maybe that's no longer true.  But with that said,  that's incentive for football teams, most of all,  to be more careful than anyone else. Miami seems to not have cared about that. 

Not that I've ever seen it in person, but doesn't the brain swelling occur pretty rapidly in SIS?  Pretty sure it would have been apparent pretty quickly. 

Now as far as recovery and long term deficits go 2 concussions in rapid succession can require a MUCH longer recovery window than one. That angle I get. 

4 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Not that I've ever seen it in person, but doesn't the brain swelling occur pretty rapidly in SIS?  Pretty sure it would have been apparent pretty quickly. 

Now as far as recovery and long term deficits go 2 concussions in rapid succession can require a MUCH longer recovery window than one. That angle I get. 

Yes.  That's what I said.  He could be dead before they even got him off the field.  We would have seen life saving procedures being attempted. 

It was certainly not that. 

And we especially now know it wasn't considering he flew home with the team. 

If you survive 2nd impact syndrome,  you are left with permanent brain damage. 

 

 

As far as what really happened, 2 concussions in 2 weeks, now you'd expect his post-concussion syndrome to be prolonged.  Nothing will surprise me in the NFL. But he will likely be out for a few weeks this time. Return to play progressions are not supposed to start until symptom free for 24 hours.  Now you start expecting that might not happen for 2-3 weeks, maybe more. 

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

Same problem here with our local channel that carries the NFL.  I always just watch on Game Pass even though I have the local feed.  Our guys sometimes dub over the game itself which I absolutely hate with a passion.  Haven't had to deal with that crap for years though.

Well in Ireland and the uk for some stupid reason even though I pay 160 euro a year the two games shown on sky sports are blacked out for 24 hours, and since 2016 when they changed company(cheaper) they forgot to black the games out so I didn’t have to even bother with it. Last season after nearly six years they figured it out. It’s very annoying. 

 

 

Maddox out

Maddox out. Do we play CJGJ at nickel and Wallace or maybe Scott at safety? Or Scott at NCB and keep CJGJ at safety? Probably a little of both.

Just now, DEagle7 said:

Maddox out

Wonder if McPhearson is in or if they keep him outside only. 

Just now, schuy7 said:

Maddox out. Do we play CJGJ at nickel and Wallace or maybe Scott at safety? Or Scott at NCB and keep CJGJ at safety? Probably a little of both.

I don't like those options

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Wonder if McPhearson is in or if they keep him outside only. 

I don't like those options

It's time to revert to prevent defense.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Wonder if McPhearson is in or if they keep him outside only. 

I don't like those options

I'm worried about needing McPherson to spell Slay from time to time though on the outside. Unfortunately I think it'll be Scott or moving Gardener Johnson around.

Kirk is clearly their biggest receiving threat and out of the slot so I think CJGJ is a real possibility, as much as Wallace as a safety scares me. 

9 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Maddox out

 

 

Wonder if they slide CGJ into the slot. 

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Wonder if McPhearson is in or if they keep him outside only. 

I don't like those options

CGJ primarily played slot in NO. It's either him or...Josiah Scott. I'll take CGJ.

Just now, Outlaw said:

CGJ primarily played slot in NO. It's either him or...Josiah Scott. I'll take CGJ.

I've got no concerns with CGJ in the slot, real question is Scott at NCB or K'Von Wallace at Safety. Agree with HE I don't love either, not that we have much of a choice. 

Just now, DEagle7 said:

I've got no concerns with CGJ in the slot, real question is Scott at NCB or K'Von Wallace at Safety. Agree with HE I don't love either, not that we have much of a choice. 

I'd much rather CGJ at slot and Scott or Blankenship at S then Wallace. Wallace is no bueno.

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I'd much rather CGJ at slot and Scott or Blankenship at S then Wallace. Wallace is no bueno.

Has Scott played any safety for us? I thought Wallace and Blankenship were the only S options on the roster but could be wrong. 

6 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Has Scott played any safety for us? I thought Wallace and Blankenship were the only S options on the roster but could be wrong. 

Scott has crosstrained at corner and safety, but my guess is that McPhearson is option one in the slot. 

Edit i think Slay travels with Kirk, so he will move to the slot. McPhearson will then move outside with the wr3. 

Sucks that Avonte is out but such are the challenges of an NFL season. You won't be fully healthy every game. No excuses

3 hours ago, EaglesIreland said:

Ah Christ I’ve to watch the eagles game on sky sports and not gamepass on Sunday. The uk posters will back me up on the "quality” of the sky sports nfl coverage.

39 minutes ago, EaglesIreland said:

Well in Ireland and the uk for some stupid reason even though I pay 160 euro a year the two games shown on sky sports are blacked out for 24 hours, and since 2016 when they changed company(cheaper) they forgot to black the games out so I didn’t have to even bother with it. Last season after nearly six years they figured it out. It’s very annoying. 

 

I was day dreaming the other day about how much better the UK coverage used to be and how Redzone has saved me pain of being forced to watch that charmless guff. I've met Neil Reynolds IRL and he's a good guy, but Sky's coverage makes me feel like I'm losing IQ points watching it. I am tempted to record the game on Sunday and catch up on it just to avoid their coverage.

24 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

I was day dreaming the other day about how much better the UK coverage used to be and how Redzone has saved me pain of being forced to watch that charmless guff. I've met Neil Reynolds IRL and he's a good guy, but Sky's coverage makes me feel like I'm losing IQ points watching it. I am tempted to record the game on Sunday and catch up on it just to avoid their coverage.

I’m tempted to just wait until the game is unlocked on gamepass on Monday night, because it’s not a fun experience. I mean at that point I’ll have already have endured David Croft doing a bad Murray walker impression during the F1 Grand Prix earlier in the day. 

27 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

I was day dreaming the other day about how much better the UK coverage used to be and how Redzone has saved me pain of being forced to watch that charmless guff. I've met Neil Reynolds IRL and he's a good guy, but Sky's coverage makes me feel like I'm losing IQ points watching it. I am tempted to record the game on Sunday and catch up on it just to avoid their coverage.

I mean Kevin cadle( RIP) and nick Halling deserve huge respect for helping many people in the UK and Ireland become NFL fans. They were great together.