10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think the other possibility is DT if Jalen Carter is there for them.  He would make sense given that both Hargrave and Cox may be gone next season.  Arguably DT is a bigger need despite the addition of Davis this year. 

Mazi Smith.

I forgot the Cardinals started 7-0 last year. They’ve been pretty meh since. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I forgot the Cardinals started 7-0 last year. They’ve been pretty meh since. 

This is our fear 

If there is a Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald available you take him.  I'm not seeing that right now.  I'm not seeing any WR right now who I would say are must haves.  Marvin Harrison Jr. in 2024 is one to look out for though.  With that being said, looking down the road, the Eagles are going to have to be very smart about their WR moves. Things could get tricky. Their top 4 WR contracts expire as follows:

Pascal- signed through 2022

Quez- signed through 2023

Smith-signed through 2024, 5th year 2025

AJ Brown- signed through 2026, buy out option after 2024

My guess is AJ Brown has his contract reworked after next year when his cap hit goes from $8.5 million in 2023 to $27.6 million in 2024.  At the same time, Howie should be working on an extension for DeVonta Smith.  Keeping those two WR together is going to be a challenge but IMO, they need to have both here.  If Smith is a one contract player Howie needs to stop drafting WR all together. 

I love what Pascal brings to this team.  I hope they find a way to extend him to a very team friendly deal this year.  I'd be happy if Howie gives him a 3 year extension.

Watkins, as dynamic as he is, will be the odd man out.  Hell, I think he could even be very attractive as an off-season trade piece.  Teams value speed and I bet there's a team who would give up some draft capital for him.  This isn't to say I don't like Watkins but if he isn't targeted here, might as well get what you can for him because they are going to need all the WR money they can get to keep Brown and Smith.

Howie should be looking in the 3rd-5th for a WR to replace Watkins, even if he isn't traded.  Hell, with how Watkins is being used this year, if a team offers them a 4th at the deadline Howie should take that and run and just sign Allen to the roster. 

 

10 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

Quez is only getting 1 target a game because Hurts is HEAVILY favoring throwing to Brown and Smith, and he SHOULD be. Teams really have to account for Quez's speed and its opening up the space for Brown and Smith to succeed even more. Add in the fact teams have to account for Goedert and the targets he is taking. This offense should be targeting Quez more but that is not an indictment of Quez's skill as a player. Drafting a WR in the 1st round would not change anything in this offense.

 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I’d trade down 

 

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

Unfair and you know it.

You guys act like the draft is just so easy. "Oh just take this guy”, "just trade down”, "you can’t take a WR because we have too many “… 

I’m all about drafting the best player available especially when that position is a high value position like WR. Look what the Bucs did with a trio of stud WRs and multiple very good tight ends. No one was saying they were a waste. 

The game is becoming more and more WR dependent. DBs can’t breathe on WRs. 11 personnel is far and beyond the most popular formation. 

Will WR be a huge priority this offseason? No. Do I think they draft a WR early? No. 

But if a stud WR is the BPA at your pick and is graded much higher than any pass rusher or CB available, it would not be a "wasted” pick. It’d be up to Siri and Hurts to get all 3 WRs involved and if they can’t do that then we’d need to find a HC and/or QB that can. 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

If there is a Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald available you take him.  I'm not seeing that right now.  I'm not seeing any WR right now who I would say are must haves.  Marvin Harrison Jr. in 2024 is one to look out for though.  With that being said, looking down the road, the Eagles are going to have to be very smart about their WR moves. Things could get tricky. Their top 4 WR contracts expire as follows:

Pascal- signed through 2022

Quez- signed through 2023

Smith-signed through 2024, 5th year 2025

AJ Brown- signed through 2026, buy out option after 2024

My guess is AJ Brown has his contract reworked after next year when his cap hit goes from $8.5 million in 2023 to $27.6 million in 2024.  At the same time, Howie should be working on an extension for DeVonta Smith.  Keeping those two WR together is going to be a challenge but IMO, they need to have both here.  If Smith is a one contract player Howie needs to stop drafting WR all together. 

I love what Pascal brings to this team.  I hope they find a way to extend him to a very team friendly deal this year.  I'd be happy if Howie gives him a 3 year extension.

Watkins, as dynamic as he is, will be the odd man out.  Hell, I think he could even be very attractive as an off-season trade piece.  Teams value speed and I bet there's a team who would give up some draft capital for him.  This isn't to say I don't like Watkins but if he isn't targeted here, might as well get what you can for him because they are going to need all the WR money they can get to keep Brown and Smith.

Howie should be looking in the 3rd-5th for a WR to replace Watkins, even if he isn't traded.  Hell, with how Watkins is being used this year, if a team offers them a 4th at the deadline Howie should take that and run and just sign Allen to the roster. 

 

Depth is a good thing. If Smith or Brown get hurt, Pascal as the No. 2 is really rough, and we wouldn’t have a WR3 to speak of. 

Being able to run effectively out of 11 makes a player like Watkins valuable, even if it’s for only a chunk play or two every four games. 

3 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

 

 

You guys act like the draft is just so easy. "Oh just take this guy”, "just trade down”, "you can’t take a WR because we have too many “… 

I’m all about drafting the best player available especially when that position is a high value position like WR. Look what the Bucs did with a trio of stud WRs and multiple very good tight ends. No one was saying they were a waste. 

The game is becoming more and more WR dependent. DBs can’t breathe on WRs. 11 personnel is far and beyond the most popular formation. 

Will WR be a huge priority this offseason? No. Do I think they draft a WR early? No. 

But if a stud WR is the BPA at your pick and is graded much higher than any pass rusher or CB available, it would not be a "wasted” pick. It’d be up to Siri and Hurts to get all 3 WRs involved and if they can’t do that then we’d need to find a HC and/or QB that can. 

Considering how much wheeling and dealing howie does (arguably his biggest strength), yes trading down and acquiring more picks is the far better choice. DL is a far greater need than WR, even taking two DL first round wouldn’t be a bad idea. There’s no place on the 2023 team for another high investment in WR. 
 

Also, from what I’ve read, this draft will be somewhat lacking in WR talent anyway, so it’s all moot

We may not agree on what to do with a high pick.

We should all agree to root for every college QB to play and then test well.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Depth is a good thing. If Smith or Brown get hurt, Pascal as the No. 2 is really rough, and we wouldn’t have a WR3 to speak of. 

Being able to run effectively out of 11 makes a player like Watkins valuable, even if it’s for only a chunk play or two every four games. 

I consider depth having backups at a position.  The Eagles literally have no depth at WR. They have their starters and that's it. Pascal/Watkins share WR3/4.  There is no WR 5.  Sorry Covey, you aren't a WR here, you're a PR/KR that's it.  If any of the top guys get hurt they will bring up Cain or sign Greg Ward.  Neither of those options are fun to think about. So yes, now that I think about it, I agree that trading Watkins would chip away at their so-called depth.  Maybe if a team offers a 3rd! 

The lack of depth however further shows that WR should be drafted at some point next year.

31 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think the other possibility is DT if Jalen Carter is there for them.  He would make sense given that both Hargrave and Cox may be gone next season.  Arguably DT is a bigger need despite the addition of Davis this year. 

Dont agree there. Have williams though i see him more as a de in a three down front. 
 

i am also fine if they pay hargrave

46 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

How do you know he’d only get 1 target a game? Don’t you think there’s a reason Watkins is only getting 1 target a game while Brown and Smith get 6-10 (guesstimate) each? 

I’m not saying it should happen but if a WR is far and beyond the BPA at your pick, go ahead and take that WR. 

He gets one target a game because unless he's the 1st or 2nd option on a play hurts isn't getting it to him on his 3rd or 4th read.

Hurts isn't a 3rd or 4th read QB and the coaches and the offense aren't asking him to be.

 

32 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

Quez is only getting 1 target a game because Hurts is HEAVILY favoring throwing to Brown and Smith, and he SHOULD be. Teams really have to account for Quez's speed and its opening up the space for Brown and Smith to succeed even more. Add in the fact teams have to account for Goedert and the targets he is taking. This offense should be targeting Quez more but that is not an indictment of Quez's skill as a player. Drafting a WR in the 1st round would not change anything in this offense.

Not to mention that Quez has drawn some PI calls because of his speed.  He's an underrated aspect of the offense. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I consider depth having backups at a position.  The Eagles literally have no depth at WR. They have their starters and that's it. Pascal/Watkins share WR3/4.  There is no WR 5.  Sorry Covey, you aren't a WR here, you're a PR/KR that's it.  If any of the top guys get hurt they will bring up Cain or sign Greg Ward.  Neither of those options are fun to think about. So yes, now that I think about it, I agree that trading Watkins would chip away at their so-called depth.  Maybe if a team offers a 3rd! 

The lack of depth however further shows that WR should be drafted at some point next year.

Definitely should churn the back of the roster, but Pascal is a dirty work role player. He’s just not threatening enough to be a full time WR3 or spot starter. Watkins is good for that role. Trading him would be a mistake unless we somehow stumbled upon a mid round gem like Romeo Doubs or something. 

36 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

So you’d take Derek Barnett over Jamar Chase? Got it

It would make more sense for the team to draft a QB than to draft a WR in the first.  

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I consider depth having backups at a position.  The Eagles literally have no depth at WR. They have their starters and that's it. Pascal/Watkins share WR3/4.  There is no WR 5.  Sorry Covey, you aren't a WR here, you're a PR/KR that's it.  If any of the top guys get hurt they will bring up Cain or sign Greg Ward.  Neither of those options are fun to think about. So yes, now that I think about it, I agree that trading Watkins would chip away at their so-called depth.  Maybe if a team offers a 3rd! 

The lack of depth however further shows that WR should be drafted at some point next year.

How many teams are setup to have their 4/5/6 WR step up and take on a prominent role? It’s nice to have talented depth, but roster construction generally doesn’t allow it. I’d say adding a WR via FA would be more plausible. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Definitely should churn the back of the roster, but Pascal is a dirty work role player. He’s just not threatening enough to be a full time WR3 or spot starter. Watkins is good for that role. Trading him would be a mistake unless we somehow stumbled upon a mid round gem like Romeo Doubs or something. 

I think Pascal is a slight upgrade on Ward.  He plays a bit shiftier and has better RAC ability.  He's a decent fill in for a slot WR.  

When you look at how this team is succeeding, I can't contemplate investing a high pick in anything other than OL, DL, and CB.

And when you look at the age of the DL, that seems to be the obvious choice.

Just now, NCiggles said:

I think Pascal is a slight upgrade on Ward.  He plays a bit shiftier and has better RAC ability.  He's a decent fill in for a slot WR.  

And he blocks his butt off. Having Goedert and him is a weapon in the run game out of 11. 

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

When you look at how this team is succeeding, I can't contemplate investing a high pick in anything other than OL, DL, and CB.

And when you look at the age of the DL, that seems to be the obvious choice.

Yep. Davis should play in more four-man fronts next year, and hopefully Williams starts showing something so we can lock him into a bigger role. That still leaves room for a starting quality DT (Carter?) or a stud edge rusher. 

@LeanMeanGM

Eagles 38

Cards 13

Bonus:  The game is over early and backups play a couple series in the fourth quarter.

6 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Dont agree there. Have williams though i see him more as a de in a three down front. 
 

i am also fine if they pay hargrave

They have probably played more 4-5-2 than any other formation.  I like Hargrave but he's 29.  I also think he's not going to be cheap to extend.  Williams has been somewhat underewhelming this year.  It seems like he gets pushed off the ball with regualarity.   I think DT is a high value position for the team.  I think Carter will be a potential target. He's a top 10 talent and probably would have been drafted ahead of Davis if he was eligible last season.  

15 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Considering how much wheeling and dealing howie does (arguably his biggest strength), yes trading down and acquiring more picks is the far better choice. DL is a far greater need than WR, even taking two DL first round wouldn’t be a bad idea. There’s no place on the 2023 team for another high investment in WR. 
 

Also, from what I’ve read, this draft will be somewhat lacking in WR talent anyway, so it’s all moot

I’m not disagreeing with that and never did. Just saying it’s not a given. 

Yes, there would be room for a high draft pick at WR. If he’s good, it only makes the offense better. 

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It would make more sense for the team to draft a QB than to draft a WR in the first.  

Not disagreeing with that… and it’s not because I don’t think adding a WR would be a bad thing 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Yep. Davis should play in more four-man fronts next year, and hopefully Williams starts showing something so we can lock him into a bigger role. That still leaves room for a starting quality DT (Carter?) or a stud edge rusher. 

Yup.

My ideal scenario would be something similar to the Bears/Niners deal in 2017.  For moving down only one spot, from 2 - 3, the Niners got two 3rds and a 4th.  Not a kings ransom, but basically free picks since they still chose the player they wanted.

3 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’m not disagreeing with that and never did. Just saying it’s not a given. 

Yes, there would be room for a high draft pick at WR. If he’s good, it only makes the offense better. 

WR is so far down on the list of needs with a high draft pick. I’d wager an incredibly large sum of money it’s not even on Howie’s radar