3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Way off topic but did anyone happen to catch the Panthers throwback field?  It's amazing how much better their original 1995 identity was.  They haven't changed their uniforms much but as much as I hate how 90s the Eagles look is...the Panthers 90s look is who they are and fits that team so well.   Also think they have misused Carolina Blue in the worst way.  I look at UNC's uniforms as some of the best around but it's mainly because they are CB and white.  The Panthers have incorporated way too much black and silver.  

 

I didn't like the Eagles previous one but I loved the 80s one.  This whole minimalistic trend can go away.  

The new letter logo is starting to grow on me.  Seeing it live, at the game; it looks decent on the field. 

And I saw a guy wearing a black hat with just the new green E on it on my flight home...also looks pretty good, imo.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Where's that fallacy jpeg?  Bacarty is putting on a clinic of how to throw one fallacy out after another.

 

 

I gochu, fam...

 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Hackett goes long before Russell Wilson does.

When you pay $49M AAV salary for a QB and deal all of that equity to acquire him, you build and cater an offense to what Russell Wilson does well.  The Eagles have comparatively nothing invested in Jalen Hurts, and Sirianni has built an offense around what Hurts can do.

If Hackett can't see his offense isn't working and do what Sirianni did after Week 7 last season -- he deserves to be fired quickly. 

I agree,l; there’s a reason QBs make 4-5 times what the head coach does. But It does feel like Russell is just kind of shrugging his shoulders on how this team has started. Imagine the sound bytes if Rodgers was doing this, if Brady or Hurts or  even Dak was in this position. "Gotta be better” is stuff rookies who could lose their job at any moment would say. Not the 200m$ face of your competitive fire.

16 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I like a defensive struggle as much as the next guy, but if you're looking for a stat that can at least give you a general sense for how successful teams were on a given night, scoring is the best stat we have.

I don't care if you mentioned injuries. If they're higher in Thursday night games, then that's a very good indicator that Thursday night games are deleterious to player performance. You just don't want to talk about it because it's damaging to your spurious claims. You can repeat them until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't make them true.

I wouldn't call that game a defensive struggled sure both defenses are pretty good but both those offenses are atrocious.

The colts o - line set o line play back about 25 years yesterday, Pryor has zero business being on a football field let alone starting, he is comically bad, and the rookie on the other end had a Winston Justice game and the colts instead of giving him help just kept slapping him on the but and saying keep grinding🤷‍♂️

Credit to Matt Ryan for not retiring at half time and coming out and making some plays from his back 

At some point during the boardcast al Michaels asked, is this a game that's so bad it's good?

Herbstreit laughed and incredulously said no!!!

But Michaels had a point, people are talking about that game because it was a trainwreck one couldn't look away from 

Reminder - Phillies playoff game is a day game today - 2 pm EST...

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

That's a really interesting perspective.  With this scenario are you letting the QB contract run out or trading for capital before FA?  Either way, the team is going to have to hit more than miss on the yearly QB sweepstakes.  I know we a lot rag on the Hurts intangibles but I do think it counts for something.  Say you let Hurts walk and draft KJ Jefferson with hopes that he can pick up where Hurts left off.  I don't know anything about Jefferson as a leader but I think you'd see team morale take a huge dip because this team is 100% behind Hurts.  It's a huge risk to take.  

At the same time, you have to wonder.  If the Eagles give Hurts a top QB contract, which position is going to be effected most?  Can they give Hurts a top contract, re-sign DeVonta Smith, keep some of their new talent on defense and so on?

Having Kelce, Cox, BG and even Slay come off the books the next 2 years will free up money.  Re-working AJ Brown's contract after next year should free up money. 

But sooner than later you're going to have to pay Dickerson.  Mailata is already in year 2 of his 4 year extension and he should have his contract re-worked after next year.  Epps, Edwards, Bradberry, CGJ, White..at least 3 of those guys need to be brought back.   Not even counting FA from othe teams.   

I don't envy Howie for trying to figure out how to manage the cap and this roster moving forward.  Having a QB on a rookie contract does give a team so many advantages.  Your proposed idea would be great...if you continually bring in the right QB and the team buys in to the revolving door at the most important position in sports. 

 

Its why i dont want to pay hurts. Not worth premium price and the collateral damage to the roster. Qbs like hurts come out every year

30 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Kyle Brandt is awesome.  So refreshing to hear someone on National TV call him out for the cringy poser that he is.

There was a point in the game where the broadcast showed Russell Wilson walking the bench on the sideline clapping his hands and trying to encourage his teammates, wasn't surprised that every single guy on that sideline were purposely looking elsewhere and ignoring him.

Where as Matt Ryan is a shell of his former self but in the 4th quarter he was fired up and  had his guys zoned in and motivated.

That pic of hamler spiking his helmet then crying on the field says a lot about the state of the broncos 

Maybe hamler could be a trade target🤔

I really liked him coming out and he's a Penn St guy, I'm sure a change of scenery would help him, does he return punts???

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

The colts o - line set o line play back about 25 years yesterday, Pryor has zero business being on a football field let alone starting, he is comically bad, and the rookie on the other end had a Winston Justice game and the colts instead of giving him help just kept slapping him on the but and saying keep grinding

Not at all trying to start a Wentz debate or defend his mistakes, but I was told that they had a top offensive line, a great coach, blah, blah, blah, and all the issues were on Wentz last year.

13 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I wouldn't call that game a defensive struggled sure both defenses are pretty good but both those offenses are atrocious.

 

Yes, I wasn't calling it a defensive struggle. I was merely responding to Baracarty's comment good games are only games where points are scored, acknowledging that I don't think a game can only be good when it's high-scoring.

4 hours ago, McMVP said:

Yeah I had no interest in him…not at his age anyway and certainly not for what they paid to get him

I had no interest (negative interest actually) under any conditions ... even if he came with no cap or cash cost.  Adding Wilson would have been a "treading water" move.

Didn't watch the game but pretty glad we didn't get Wilson

2 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Its certainly got a strong rationale…

talk about exploiting a market inefficiency…

Th biggest potential drawback to it is probably its effect on team leadership.  The singular QB that teams have now is the logical leader of the Offense, if not the whole team.  A two-headed (or even three-headed) QB would naturally have leadership differences in its individual "heads" which could cause leadership ambiguity ... possibly even leadership conflict.

Vince Lombardi was able to use a variation on what TEW describes in his "Messenger Guards" system of communicating with the huddle ... but no one ever looked to those Guards for team leadership.

EDIT:  @Iggles_Phan said the same thing much more completely in his comment below.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Agreed.  The QB is the de facto leader of the team.  What happens when that position becomes a revolving door?  We heard from Indy how it is affecting them to have a different QB every year (has it been 5 years in a row now?).   

Not sure how that dynamic changes if its a new QB every 4 years... or every 2 or 3 years more on average, because you know that some of these drafted QBs are going to be a turnover machine... just the nature of the beast in the NFL.   And how big a hit does the team's chances to win take when you move on from a QB in year 4 or 5, that's grown into the league, only to turn it over to a QB you just drafted a year before but didn't get significant playing time.    Or do you draft one every 2 years to work them behind the starter... and mitigate against the injury factor and just run the QB into the ground?   

There's no data out there on this.  It works in college, because there are no 'veterans' that have been with the team for a number of years and have to go through the transition from one to another, and in college, its not like the college really has the option to keep the QB around.  When the QB declares or the QB graduates, he's gone.  Nothing the college can do about it.   What happens in the locker room when the front office decides to let the QB walk away (or trades him away) when he reaches the end of his 'cheap' contract?

One thing I do know... a team doing this, and having success would help to bring down the ridiculous market for QBs league wide.  Right now, the cost is spiraling out of control.  Once a team does this and has success, others will follow and the contract demands could dramatically drop.  Of course, the flip side of this is that QBs would become an even higher premium to land in the draft.  You wouldn't have the luxury of selecting a guy like Hurts in Round 2 anymore.  He'd be a top 15 pick, easily.  Especially if even a few of the teams start implementing that process.  Intangibles and ball security start to take on even more meaning.

17 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Not at all trying to start a Wentz debate or defend his mistakes, but I was told that they had a top offensive line, a great coach, blah, blah, blah, and all the issues were on Wentz last year.

 

They did, but a lot can change in a year.

 

Just now, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

They did, but a lot can change in a year.

Didn't they have a lot of injuries last season?

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Didn't they have a lot of injuries last season?

 

I don't really remember, I just know that they came out of last season looking like a top-5 offensive line overall, and this year they look horrible.

4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

They did, but a lot can change in a year.

They did not, I had JT in fantasy last year, and watched them probably second most to the Eagles, they couldn't block ish.

Just now, downundermike said:

They did not, I had JT in fantasy last year, and watched them probably second most to the Eagles, they couldn't block ish.

 

Interesting. So, JT just made them look good to the talking heads?

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Didn't watch the game but pretty glad we didn't get Wilson

Howie making a move for Wilson was my biggest offseason fear.  It felt like the splash move just to make a splash move while making up for not drafting him originally. I thought that was the one move Howie was going to make.  

2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Interesting. So, JT just made them look good to the talking heads?

He had to work hard for a lot of his yards, and had so many carries that he had to make multiple defenders miss in the backfield.

He offset a lot of those negative and short gains by leading the NFL in 20+ yard carries and 40+ yard carries.

 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Not really. It was a bunch of emotional nonsense. He spouting off about how the Broncos should have ran the ball on third down instead of throwing it because they would have gotten the first down and ran the clock out. It was third and four and they just got stuffed for a one-yard gain. It was before the two-minute warning. 

He wasn’t making sense. He was just using the postgame show to grind his axe. 

Emotional nonsense = feelings.  Wilson clearly generates those kinds of negative feelings/emotions.  One commenter here in the Blog used the word "smug" to describe him.  That is a good descriptor, and there are a lot more.  All of which are why I did not want him to be an Eagle.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He had to work hard for a lot of his yards, and had so many carries that he had to make multiple defenders miss in the backfield.

He offset a lot of those negative and short gains by leading the NFL in 20+ yard carries and 40+ yard carries.

 

I find PFF to be highly questionable and think that they regularly overrate players and offensive units, so I take their rankings with a grain of salt. Still, they had them ranked as no. 10 coming into the year, and now even they're ranking them as one the worst run-blocking units in the league, so it would seem that something has changed with them to take them from at least a mediocre unit to a terrible one. 

48 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

 

All 5 of those teams are pretty good anyway, and we’ve already beaten 2 of them. "you havent played anyone!” Will slowly evolve into "both 11+ Win teams have something in common: they lost to Philly”

The whole strength of schedule really means nothing as injuries happen to teams.  Just as the Saints current lack of "strength” is driven by injuries.   Eagles beat some teams last year that we banged up at QB.  Bucs beat an Eagles team that was pretty banged up at RB.  

This is PFF betting crap. These models are two dimensional at best and pretty low level analytics.  If Howie’s analytics team is throwing out tweet level analysis then Jeff is wasting his money.   Good analytics would model depth at key positions, drop off on key plays, factor tendencies, monitor injuries (thus fluid) etc.  Probably several factors would go into the analysis and would be fluid each week. Some factors that would seem to be a constancy factors won’t prove to be such.  Good models are remodeled all the time.  

21 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Someone help me out... I'm pretty sure that a criminal trespasser doesn't have much ground to stand on in this situation to sue anyone for anything.

If anything, Wagner should be able to sue this guy for fouling his air.

Agreed. The protestor was detained, cited, and released for running onto the field. Frankly, they ought to take this report then cite him again for filing a bogus police report. I don't know why there's any room in the law to protect these clowns. He deserved what he got.

3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I find PFF to be highly questionable and think that they regularly overrate players and offensive units, so I take their rankings with a grain of salt. Still, they had them ranked as no. 10 coming into the year, and now even they're ranking them as one the worst run-blocking units in the league, so it would seem that something has changed with them to take them from at least a mediocre unit to a terrible one. 

 

How many Colts games did you watch last year ??