24 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Odds of them being out?

21 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Good point.  I was thinking much more narrowly that you were/are.  I really appreciate the perspective.

It also begs a question ... who is the "leader" of the Eagles Offense.  Arguably it is Jason Kelce.

I would agree its kelce. 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Odds of them being out?

99.9%

I'd say Elliott and Patrick Johnson are guaranteed out as well. 

9 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Matt Ryan has almost double the fumbles Wentz did all of last year and is tied for Wentz in INT's all of last year. 

Sure man, Wentz was the problem lol

Who said anything about Matt Ryan???

The dude is a relic.

Saying Wentz isn't/ wasn't bad because Ryan is worse is a pretty low bar.

Wentz wasnt the solution for the colts nor was he for the eagles nor is he for the wash team.

He's a problem and not in a good way like DCs stay up all night trying to figure out how to stop Wentz, it's pretty easy, give him a football watch him implode ...

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Im finding it very difficult not to reach the conclusion that Frank Reich is a horrible HC

Some people just arent cut out for it.  Like Nathaniel Hackett or Josh McDaniels, knowing football is one thing and being a head coach is another

The Colts are god awful, its just a total ish team.  Theres no way you can separate Reich from the failure at this point.  Its on him.  

Part of it is that every year he's had a different QB as well.  And having Matt Ryan doesn't help.  He's done.  

As with most things, it's never all on one person.  The owner is terrible.  The GM is awful.  He lost his best assistant.  

 

Is Reich a bad HC?  Hard to know.  But they are going to fire him either way.  And if Steichen is hired by a team this offseason (very strong possibility if the Eagles win 13 or more games), then maybe we can bring Reich back as OC... which would be fine by me.  If not, then I guess we'd turn it over to Brian Johnson, whom I have no idea if he's ready for that or not.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I didn't say he was part of the solution. The team couldn't block so any QB was going to struggle. It was amplified because Wentz sucks when he was no Oline

I seem to have triggered a nerve lol

No nerve triggered, just having a conversation on a message board 

Didn't think there were any Wentz washers left yet here we are🤷‍♂️

Carry on...

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I would agree its kelce. 

No doubt that Kelce's got the locker room's ear.  He is the Brian Dawkins of this decade of Eagles' football.  

The Colts and the Panthers are like a spitting image of each other. Both franchises continue to give up assets for these QBs who either never had anything to offer, or have nothing left. They both let their Oline fall to **** and for whatever reason think a WR who is a #2 or #3 as a #1 and fail to draft or sign a true #1. They both have a star RB who they think will carry them into the promise land. The only good thing they both do is address the defense well, and for the colts that is something of recent.

This has a .0001% chance of happening, but I dream of a scenario where Howie not only gets the #1 pick via the Saints, but then is able to trade down a couple spots to a desperate team needing a QB and still get Will Anderson a few spots later.

The Colts and Panthers are going to be so insanely desperate for a QB next draft. Any team that picks in the top 2, unless it's a team that will just take the QB, is going to be able to rob some of these desperate teams blind. Word has already been out for well over a year how desperate Carolina was for a QB, given that they traded for Mayfield and he's terrible, and they're going to fire Rhule and the new coach is going to want to cling himself to a new QB, honestly, Carolina is so desperate, they may trade a future 1st to move up like one spot if it gets them a QB at the top of the next draft. That's how desperate they are.

2 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I like a defensive struggle as much as the next guy, but if you're looking for a stat that can at least give you a general sense for how successful teams were on a given night, scoring is the best stat we have.

While I don't necessarily disagree, I have to say that one of the greatest regular season games I ever watched was in 1990 between the Giants and 49ers, who were both undefeated a week prior to the game but ended up losing their respective games. I think they both came into the game at 9-1. It was a highly anticipated game. People thought it was a preview of the NFC Championship game, which it ultimately turned out to be.

I think the final score was 7-3. I remember people the next day complaining about what an awful game it was while I thought the exact opposite. I thought it was a display of two excellent defenses at the height of their powers rather than two inept offenses, in contrast to last night's game.

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No doubt that Kelce's got the locker room's ear.  He is the Brian Dawkins of this decade of Eagles' football.  

Eagles have a lot of really good vet leaders, kelce agree at the top but Lane Cox Graham, Slay all guys the team look and listen to, even a young guy in hurts is well respected and a good leader 

Really is an understated and underrated part of a good team.

The chemistry on the 2017 team was unreal, they just really clicked and played for each other and had a lot of fun 

Chris Long and Blount were a big part of that as well as other guys like Kelce Cox ect...

I think this team has some of that same feel, they seem to be increasing in their confidence in each other and the coaches and are playing well and seem to play for each other and are having fun, which all sounds like little league rah rah BS but I think it matters even in the pros.

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Part of it is that every year he's had a different QB as well.  And having Matt Ryan doesn't help.  He's done.  

As with most things, it's never all on one person.  The owner is terrible.  The GM is awful.  He lost his best assistant.  

 

Is Reich a bad HC?  Hard to know.  But they are going to fire him either way.  And if Steichen is hired by a team this offseason (very strong possibility if the Eagles win 13 or more games), then maybe we can bring Reich back as OC... which would be fine by me.  If not, then I guess we'd turn it over to Brian Johnson, whom I have no idea if he's ready for that or not.

Interesting idea.  Doug P might be interested in him as well.  FWIW, DiFillippo is available as well.

@LeanMeanGM:

Eagles 34, Cards 17.

Hurts 100 + on the ground.

41 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Im finding it very difficult not to reach the conclusion that Frank Reich is a horrible HC

Some people just arent cut out for it.  Like Nathaniel Hackett or Josh McDaniels, knowing football is one thing and being a head coach is another

The Colts are god awful, its just a total ish team.  Theres no way you can separate Reich from the failure at this point.  Its on him.  

I'm not kidding when I wonder if the moderate success of Reich's first couple seasons in Indianapolis were because of Nick Sirianni. 

12 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

This has a .0001% chance of happening, but I dream of a scenario where Howie not only gets the #1 pick via the Saints, but then is able to trade down a couple spots to a desperate team needing a QB and still get Will Anderson a few spots later.

The Colts and Panthers are going to be so insanely desperate for a QB next draft. Any team that picks in the top 2, unless it's a team that will just take the QB, is going to be able to rob some of these desperate teams blind. Word has already been out for well over a year how desperate Carolina was for a QB, given that they traded for Mayfield and he's terrible, and they're going to fire Rhule and the new coach is going to want to cling himself to a new QB, honestly, Carolina is so desperate, they may trade a future 1st to move up like one spot if it gets them a QB at the top of the next draft. That's how desperate they are.

Oh it’ll be more than just a future first. Washington spent 3 firsts to go up from 6 to 2 to get RGIII. 49ers traded 3 firsts to go from 12 to 3. Browns got 2 1sts, a 2, a 3 and a 4 from Philly to move up from 8 to 2.

And the first overall pick is worth way more than the 2nd or 3rd, especially when you have your choice of QBs at the top. It’s a combination of the value of the QBs at the the top, and the value of being able to hand pick which one you prefer rather than let someone else decide who falls to you. I think there’s an irrelevancy to where you draft when the future of your franchise is available. If a team drafting 4th offers 3 1sts and we know we can get Anderson there, the panthers at 2nd overall have to match that if they want their guy.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

This has a .0001% chance of happening, but I dream of a scenario where Howie not only gets the #1 pick via the Saints, but then is able to trade down a couple spots to a desperate team needing a QB and still get Will Anderson a few spots later.

The Colts and Panthers are going to be so insanely desperate for a QB next draft. Any team that picks in the top 2, unless it's a team that will just take the QB, is going to be able to rob some of these desperate teams blind. Word has already been out for well over a year how desperate Carolina was for a QB, given that they traded for Mayfield and he's terrible, and they're going to fire Rhule and the new coach is going to want to cling himself to a new QB, honestly, Carolina is so desperate, they may trade a future 1st to move up like one spot if it gets them a QB at the top of the next draft. That's how desperate they are.

Several of the Mock Drafts (DraftWire at pick #3, Walter at pick #4, BearReport at pick #4, FanSided at pick #4) have Anderson falling to the Eagles without a trade, so in the eyes of those Mockers the trade scenario you describe could very well happen.

32 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Like I said earlier winning any games with that o line And a 65 year old QB is an accomplishment in it self, not to mention being down the starting RB who accounts for majority of offense.

I think Reich is a good coach In a bad situation 

The owner is an idiot and the GM isn't too far behind.

 

Was only a year or 2 ago that Ballard could do no wrong.  All his draft picks were gold and he was a way better GM than Howie.  

Just now, 315Eagles said:

Was only a year or 2 ago that Ballard could do no wrong.  All his draft picks were gold and he was a way better GM than Howie.  

Yup the NFL is pretty fluid yet the owner is still a moron.

It starts at the top and as long as Irsay is at the top the colts won't be.

Having said that Wentz went from bad to worse as Irsay may be pretty bad but Snyder is by far the worse owner in football, maybe all of sports...

 

9 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Oh it’ll be more than just a future first. Washington spent 3 firsts to go up from 6 to 2 to get RGIII. 49ers traded 3 firsts to go from 12 to 3. Browns got 2 1sts, a 2, a 3 and a 4 from Philly to move up from 8 to 2.

And the first overall pick is worth way more than the 2nd or 3rd, especially when you have your choice of QBs at the top. It’s a combination of the value of the QBs at the the top, and the value of being able to hand pick which one you prefer rather than let someone else decide who falls to you. I think there’s an irrelevancy to where you draft when the future of your franchise is available. If a team drafting 4th offers 3 1sts and we know we can get Anderson there, the panthers at 2nd overall have to match that if they want their guy.

For multiple spots I agree. But I could even see it for one spot. I wonder what the most any team has ever given up in NFL history to move up one spot. Carolina is going to be horrendous. They will pick in the top 5. But say they finish 4th, and want to get into the top 3 for a QB they love. I could see them being crazy enough to give up a future #1 to move from say 4 to 3.

24 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

The Colts and the Panthers are like a spitting image of each other. Both franchises continue to give up assets for these QBs who either never had anything to offer, or have nothing left. They both let their Oline fall to **** and for whatever reason think a WR who is a #2 or #3 as a #1 and fail to draft or sign a true #1. They both have a star RB who they think will carry them into the promise land. The only good thing they both do is address the defense well, and for the colts that is something of recent.

Colts don't have much at WR either.  I've heard so much about this Michael Pittman and how he's a rising star.  I just don't see it.  He reminds me of Chase Claypool.....lots of hype but not much production for a so called star player.  I think Claypool is still being hyped because of that 4 TD game against the Eagles in 2020.

7 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I'm not kidding when I wonder if the moderate success of Reich's first couple seasons in Indianapolis were because of Nick Sirianni. 

Pat Mcafee actually alluded to this the other day.  Said the passing attack hasn't been the same since Nick left. 

Sirianni was on his show the other day in case you missed it.....😏

40 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Odds of them being out?

Seems like Mailata has the best chance of playing.

7 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup the NFL is pretty fluid yet the owner is still a moron.

It starts at the top and as long as Irsay is at the top the colts won't be.

Having said that Wentz went from bad to worse as Irsay may be pretty bad but Snyder is by far the worse owner in football, maybe all of sports...

 

They just haven't been able to land a QB or enough weapons, WRs and TEs.

They need to draft and develop a QB.

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Having said that Wentz wasn't a victim of bad circumstances last year in Indy he was the initiator.

I'm not sure how many Wentz washers are still around so not sure there would be much of a debate🤷‍♂️

Indy did not make any improvement at QB in going from Wentz to Matt Ryan.  It could be argued there was a chance for upside if Reich could have continued to work with Wentz and helped him regain form.

Ryan has no upside.  Too old, even less mobile than Wentz at this point, and always has been overrated.

40 minutes ago, Utebird said:

No nerve triggered, just having a conversation on a message board 

Didn't think there were any Wentz washers left yet here we are🤷‍♂️

Carry on...

Immature but sure

32 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

The Colts and the Panthers are like a spitting image of each other. Both franchises continue to give up assets for these QBs who either never had anything to offer, or have nothing left. They both let their Oline fall to **** and for whatever reason think a WR who is a #2 or #3 as a #1 and fail to draft or sign a true #1. They both have a star RB who they think will carry them into the promise land. The only good thing they both do is address the defense well, and for the colts that is something of recent.

Panthers had a nice RB and ran him into the ground without having anything else. I doubt he stays healthy for long

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

Seems like Mailata has the best chance of playing.

Was surprised how well Driscoll held up at LT.

He's a bit undersized for LT but he's smart and technically sound and doesn't hurt to have the best O line coach in the league in your corner.

It's really too bad Dillard got hurt because after watching the colts last night I can't imagine Matt Ryan wouldn't lobby the colts to give up about 10 first round picks for him ..