Love watching Quin Ewers play QB.  Not sure about his eligibility and when Manning comes in but that will be an interesting competition.  Could Ewers keep Arch as a backup for a year?

6 hours ago, McMVP said:

I think this is essentially what they meant when they said they wanted to be a "Qb factory".  It was a stupid comment to say to the world as it reeks of arrogance, but the logic behind it is not bad (the way I see it anyway)....though it may have been misunderstood.  It was really the only bright side I saw to the Hurts pick at the time - that they just got someone that has the potential to return more value in the future. 

Every team values the QB position as the number 1 priority, but not every team values depth at the position.  I would say most teams are probably overpaying their QB relative to what they bring to the table.  There are exceptions, but the money has become so crazy for QBs.  Everytime a team decides it has their guy, or at least feels they just can't do better (which may be the case more often than not), they give him the big deal.  After signing that QB to a big second contract, 30 of 32 GMs would then never consider selecting another QB in the top part of the 2nd round the very next draft.  Howie did.  The other I can picture doing this is Belicheck (if Kraft would've let him).  Brady's great, but he was underpaid relative to his peers for several years in NE and I'm sure that helped the quality of the rest of his team. 

This philosophy becomes much more logical in the case of running QBs, like you say.  If I were the GM, I would find it very difficult to give Lamar, or Hurts big second deals.  I'd give one to Mahomes or Burrow in a heartbeat.  I am all for keeping the QB factory rolling.  Until you have someone special, keeping the payroll at the QB position in check is what helps that 2nd or 3rd round QB appear to look like a 'steal' because of the roster support he has.  You then get more for him in return - rinse and repeat.

The obvious downside to this is the fanbase and their knack for becoming emotionally attached to the rising young star.  Which is why you don't advertise the fact that your desire is to be a QB factory.

An ancillary question that comes with this approach is whether it is better to selct that "next" QB late in the 1st Round or with a Day 2 pick.  The obvious advantage of the former is the 5th year in the rookie contract.  With five year contracts you have a time line of year one backing up the 5th year QB, then years 2, 3 and 4 are as the starter, followed by year 5 as the contract year for the player looking to garner the maximum UFA contract possible while being backed up by the newly drafted rookie.  That works IF the players drafted are hits rather than misses.  

One of the challenges of that approach is having a good backup QB during years 2, 3 and 4 ... a Minshew-type backup.

If you happen to get a Mahomes, then you seriously consider signing the player to a second contract for the big dollars. 

4 hours ago, RLC said:

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-jalen-hurts-wasnt-a-good-pick-by-the-philadelphia-eagles-he-was-a-great-one

This was the day after the 2020 draft.

Essentially, unless you already have elite level QB play, QB picks should offer surplus value.

3 hours ago, Westbrook#36 said:

@LeanMeanGM

Eagles 24

Cardinals 27

Bonus: Murray has more rush yards than Hurts.

I wouldn't consider that Bonus to be a bad outcome.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Looks like a "first NFL game" for Josh Sills.  He should get some STs snaps if he is active.

1 hour ago, WentzFan11 said:

Any chance of Dillard playing?

I don't expect that to happen, but I'm prepared to be wrong.

33 minutes ago, devpool said:

@LeanMeanGMeagles 27 cardinals 17

Bonus: jordan davis first sack

With Davis' quick penetration, if Murray is taking a snap under center, that is a very reasonable possibility

15 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

John Holmes’ old number ….

I thought his number was 69.

Rays and Guardians getting superb pitching in today's game

 

 

 

The Howie fans will say "Good job ... good drafting! "  The Howie-haters will say "Percentages are meaningless if the players aren't any good!"

15 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Rays and Guardians getting superb pitching in today's game

 

You can call it great pitching but it looks more like crappy hitting to me. 

2 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

Any chance of Dillard playing?

 

 

4 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

You can call it great pitching but it looks more like crappy hitting to me. 

Probably a bit of both but the number of K's and the proportion of strikes to pitches thrown is indicative of some damn good pitching with the exception of Fairbanks.

If Aaron Nola pitches like this today, will you call it good pitching?

Tom McCarthy calling the Georgia/Auburn game.  Doesn't sound like college football.  

@LeanMeanGM

Eagles 20

Cards 16

I have the following players as likely to be Inactive (or on IR in the case of Dillard

Ian Book                             QB

Boston Scott                        RB

Jordan Mailata                     T

Andre Dillard                       T

Janarius Jackson                 DE

Patrick Johnson                   LB

Avonte Maddox                   CB

Reed Blankenship                S

Jake Elliott                          K

That means the following 47 players are likely to be active.  Sills has to be active to get to the 8 O-Linemen threshold that allows the team to have 48 active players. So, who (if anyone) will come up from the Practice Squad to fill the 48th active spot?

Jalen Hurts                          QB

Gardner Minshew                QB

Miles Sanders                     RB

Kenneth Gainwell                RB

Trey Sermon                       RB

A.J. Brown                          WR

DeVonta Smith                    WR

Quez Watkins                      WR

Zach Pascal                        WR

Britain Covey                       WR

Dallas Goedert                    TE

Jack Stoll                            TE

Grant Calcaterra                  TE

Lane Johnson                      T

Jack Driscoll                        T/G

Landon Dickerson                G

Isaac Seumalo                    G

Sua Opeta                           G

Josh Sills                            G

Jason Kelce                        C

Cam Jurgens                       C

Brandon Graham                 DE

Josh Sweat                         DE

Tarron Jackson                    DE

Fletcher Cox                        DT

Javon Hargrave                   DT

Jordan Davis                       DT

Milton Williams                    DT

Marlon Tuipulotu                  DT

T.J. Edwards                       LB

Haason Reddick                  LB

Kyzir White                          LB

Nakobe Dean                      LB

Shaun Bradley                     LB

Kyron Johnson                    LB

Darius Slay                          CB

James Bradberry                 CB

Zech McPhearson               CB

Josh Jobe                           CB

Josiah Scott                        CB

Marcus Epps                       S

Chauncey Gardner-Johnson S

K'Von Wallace                     S

Andre Chachere                  S

Rick Lovato                         LS

Dicker the Kicker                 K

Arryn Siposs                        P

37 minutes ago, mattwill said:

The Howie fans will say "Good job ... good drafting! "  The Howie-haters will say "Percentages are meaningless if the players aren't any good!"

I'd suggest the reality is in the middle.  If you can draft good ST players or backups with lower level picks, but have struggled to consistently hit on picks 1-3, raw stats can be misleading as you lack impact players for the team and may not win in the playoffs. Equally, if you have a lot of lower picks and they stay on the roster, it can skew the stats too.

The more interesting extrapolation of data is games started vs draft pick, and their impact on the game. Trent Cole was absolutely fantastic value, JJAW is completely opposite to that.

Howie also had a number of years where the top picks were consistently awful or traded away. In the Sirianni era, they are also very loyal to their own draft picks, which again can skew the stats. 

 

Chip turned that UCLA program around 

9 runs hard for Utah 

 

 

43 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I have the following players as likely to be Inactive (or on IR in the case of Dillard

Ian Book                             QB

 

Boston Scott                        RB

 

Jordan Mailata                     T

 

Andre Dillard                       T

 

Janarius Jackson                 DE

 

Patrick Johnson                   LB

 

Avonte Maddox                   CB

 

Reed Blankenship                S

 

Jake Elliott                          K

 

That means the following 47 players are likely to be active.  Sills has to be active to get to the 8 O-Linemen threshold that allows the team to have 48 active players. So, who (if anyone) will come up from the Practice Squad to fill the 48th active spot?

Jalen Hurts                          QB

 

Gardner Minshew                QB

 

Miles Sanders                     RB

 

Kenneth Gainwell                RB

 

Trey Sermon                       RB

 

A.J. Brown                          WR

 

DeVonta Smith                    WR

 

Quez Watkins                      WR

 

Zach Pascal                        WR

 

Britain Covey                       WR

 

Dallas Goedert                    TE

 

Jack Stoll                            TE

 

Grant Calcaterra                  TE

 

Lane Johnson                      T

 

Jack Driscoll                        T/G

 

Landon Dickerson                G

 

Isaac Seumalo                    G

 

Sua Opeta                           G

 

Josh Sills                            G

 

Jason Kelce                        C

 

Cam Jurgens                       C

 

Brandon Graham                 DE

 

Josh Sweat                         DE

 

Tarron Jackson                    DE

 

Fletcher Cox                        DT

 

Javon Hargrave                   DT

 

Jordan Davis                       DT

 

Milton Williams                    DT

 

Marlon Tuipulotu                  DT

 

T.J. Edwards                       LB

 

Haason Reddick                  LB

 

Kyzir White                          LB

 

Nakobe Dean                      LB

 

Shaun Bradley                     LB

 

Kyron Johnson                    LB

 

Darius Slay                          CB

 

James Bradberry                 CB

 

Zech McPhearson               CB

 

Josh Jobe                           CB

 

Josiah Scott                        CB

 

Marcus Epps                       S

 

Chauncey Gardner-Johnson S

 

K'Von Wallace                     S

 

Andre Chachere                  S

 

Rick Lovato                         LS

 

Unless I have miscounted, you have 45 guys listed in that bottom section, not 47. Dicker will be 46. Chachere, who you listed, is not on the active roster, so if he’s dressed, it would mean you have already reached your allotment of two PS guys (Dicker and Chachere). So that would mean you would only be able to dress guys already on the roster. I would guess it would be Blankenship and Janarius Robinson (not Jackson) since they are presumably healthy. They could opt for Book instead of one of them though. 

Rising can whistle it  when he needs to and has a quick release …also had the wheels to keep plays alive and throw from all over the field . 

 I’m big fan of his , for me it’s Cam and Cam , Rising and Ward

 

Charbonet has a beautiful running style 

51 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

I'd suggest the reality is in the middle.  If you can draft good ST players or backups with lower level picks, but have struggled to consistently hit on picks 1-3, raw stats can be misleading as you lack impact players for the team and may not win in the playoffs. Equally, if you have a lot of lower picks and they stay on the roster, it can skew the stats too.

The more interesting extrapolation of data is games started vs draft pick, and their impact on the game. Trent Cole was absolutely fantastic value, JJAW is completely opposite to that.

Howie also had a number of years where the top picks were consistently awful or traded away. In the Sirianni era, they are also very loyal to their own draft picks, which again can skew the stats.

Agreed on all but one point ...  I have no problem with trading away players.  The assessment of the value realized from the pick should include both the drafted player and the player(s) received in the trade.

28 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Unless I have miscounted, you have 45 guys listed in that bottom section, not 47. Dicker will be 46. Chachere, who you listed, is not on the active roster, so if he’s dressed, it would mean you have already reached your allotment of two PS guys (Dicker and Chachere). So that would mean you would only be able to dress guys already on the roster. I would guess it would be Blankenship and Janarius Robinson (not Jackson) since they are presumably healthy. They could opt for Book instead of one of them though. 

Your count based on what you can see is 100% correct.  Dicker and Siposs somehow got truncated off the bottom.  I'll fix that.

And you are also right about Chachere and Dicker using up the maximum of 2 elevations.

Interesting that you would choose Robinson over Jackson.  Care to elaborate?