1 minute ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Yeah, I wasn’t sure about that one and I didn’t bother to verify. I was thinking about the game where Jason Witten had his helmet come off and he rumbled downfield for a big gain anyway. Maybe that was 2012? 

I think that was 2006, maybe 2007.

9 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

You’re welcome. 

At least you own it

5 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Yeah, I wasn’t sure about that one and I didn’t bother to verify. I was thinking about the game where Jason Witten had his helmet come off and he rumbled downfield for a big gain anyway. Maybe that was 2012? 

2007 I believe that was. 

23 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

We are a pathetic victim culture. Maybe in both cases, Wagner and Adams, the "victim" should take responsibility for their part in creating the situation and call it a day. Thank you to all the lawyers who helped created this litigious mentality so that they could make a greasy buck. It is a sad overhead rate on top of all life in the US that we all pay to "insure" our lives so that a profession can predate on situations that should fall into the "$hit happens" category.

At least we get good memes and tweets about it though 

 

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

I think that was 2006, maybe 2007.

Holy cow, that long ago? I never tailgate, but my father and I were kind of forced to go to one that night to socialize with family members who were doing a tailgate. I hated it. It was the only time I drove to an Eagles game in the past twenty years

Oh, and definitely not 2006. That was TO’s return, the Lito Sheppard int return game.

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That play calling almost notched a loss.  Very conservative and allowed the Cards a final drive to win it at the end.  Eagles were fortunate that the game didn't get to OT, but were one blown coverage away from losing in regulation.   That game was far too reliant on the WR screens.  The game plan wasn't ready for the Cards' zone blitzes and the only answer they seemed to have was 13 WR screens... and 7 QB sneaks.   The coaching staff has to do a better job than that.  

The defense I absolutely agree about the playcalling.  But the game plan sure seemed to focus on the run and screens to slow down the blitzes. That usually works and opens up the passing game. Sound reasoning but the Cards initially played the run well because that was anticipated from the Eagles.  But that last drive was solid running.  I gave Shane a C because of his lack of imagination and stick with that grade. Not terrible play calling as the post I was responding to characterized it.  I think fair is the terms polls use the C grade. As to the sneaks, I actually thought the designs were pretty good.  I don’t discount that Mailata being out and Dickerson missing time with all three IOL a bit banged up probably played a bigger factor in play calling than we credit.

8 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

Calm down flashback. Im not disputing the assault charge, but I dont believe for a second that he was actually hurt in any way. Just my opinion after watching what happened...from my computer...a thousand miles away. If you got a different opinion thats fine. Im sure you can give us all a story about something that happened 20 years ago that backs up your opinion. Let me get the marsh mellows on a stick first.

That's fine.  But then you raised the stakes on this guy and claimed he was milking the situation.  My point on this was that you have ZERO evidence to support your position.  Has he made a statement?  Not that's been shared here.  Has anything been put out that he's filing a civil suit to sue Adams?  Again, nothing reported that's made its way in here.  Yet, here you are projecting on to this guy, when there's nothing to back up the 'milking' charge you've levied against him. 

BTW... those anecdotes were there to highlight the ridiculous position your early statement about him taking an Uber to go to the hospital, as if that in anyway indicates that there was no injury, serious or otherwise.  It means absolutely nothing.  All it means is that his injury, should one exist, wasn't life threatening, or in need of immediate medical attention and he could afford to decide to take a private vehicle to the hospital rather than pay the expense of an ambulance. 

It is true that everyone has the right to an opinion.  It is equally true that not all opinions are equally valid.  You have no evidence in this situation to support your opinion, just projection.  You are acting like this guy did something wrong by going to the hospital.  Not true.   You seem to think that he'll get some sort of monetary payout because Adams has been charged criminally.  Not true.  Would you like to add another projection to the list of incorrect statements you have made on this topic or are you ready to just bow out and see how it plays out before putting forward another baseless assertion?  

 

I'll lay out my opinion for you clearly so that you don't have to try to figure it out on your own.   Adams was in the wrong - 100%.  Adams chose to act out childishly because he lost a football and took out his frustrations on someone that had no part to play in that.  He just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.  Did this guy put himself there?  Yeah, it's sort of his job to get up close pictures of players on the field, entering the field, leaving the field, etc. so that morons like us can debate things on the internet.   Then this guy fell backwards and chose to go to the hospital after wards and get checked out.   Nothing wrong with that at all, and that action shouldn't be the cause for you to attack his motives.  Now it's come out that the Police Department is charging Adams with misdemeanor assault.  And in that state, that decision happens without the consent of the victim of the assault.  And finally, if Adams is found guilty of the assault (which, btw exists independent of the degree of the injury, he clearly caused an unlawful offensive contact with Zebley), that won't result in Zebley getting a monetary settlement from that decision.  So, there's absolutely zero evidence right now that he's milking anything.  Let me know when he does.  Then there might be two wrong parties in this situation.  Until then, so far, only Adams has acted inappropriately, and only Adams should be getting criticism.

I’d have never expected the jets. But tbh i do like their WR group and hall 

 

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

The defense I absolutely agree about the playcalling.  But the game plan sure seemed to focus on the run and screens to slow down the blitzes. That usually works and opens up the passing game. Sound reasoning but the Cards initially played the run well because that was anticipated from the Eagles.  But that last drive was solid running.  I gave Shane a C because of his lack of imagination and stick with that grade. Not terrible play calling as the post I was responding to characterized it.  I think fair is the terms polls use the C grade. As to the sneaks, I actually thought the designs were pretty good.  I don’t discount that Mailata being out and Dickerson missing time with all three IOL a bit banged up probably played a bigger factor in play calling than we credit.

Not much 'design' to a QB sneak, honestly.   What bothers me is not the 3rd and 1 QB sneaks... though 4 of them is a lot... but the 1st and goal sneaks (twice) and the 2nd and goal sneak (once) to me is a lack of creativity and teams are going to be better prepared for that moving forward.  And it speaks to a bigger issue, namely, that Hurts is actually the power back on this team in the coaches' minds.   That bothers me.   This team needs to have a better option for a battering ram than the QB.  

Steichen gets nothing higher than a D+/C- from me for that game plan, even with the backup OL.  Too vanilla and kept the Cardinals too close, even though they should have pulled away.  They let the Cardinals hang in and stick around in the game and made it a much closer outcome than it should have been, imo.  20 plays were WR screen and QB sneak.  Too many.  More than 1/4 plays were that.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not much 'design' to a QB sneak, honestly.   What bothers me is not the 3rd and 1 QB sneaks... though 4 of them is a lot... but the 1st and goal sneaks (twice) and the 2nd and goal sneak (once) to me is a lack of creativity and teams are going to be better prepared for that moving forward.  And it speaks to a bigger issue, namely, that Hurts is actually the power back on this team in the coaches' minds.   That bothers me.   This team needs to have a better option for a battering ram than the QB.  

Steichen gets nothing higher than a D+/C- from me for that game plan, even with the backup OL.  Too vanilla and kept the Cardinals too close, even though they should have pulled away.  They let the Cardinals hang in and stick around in the game and made it a much closer outcome than it should have been, imo.  20 plays were WR screen and QB sneak.  Too many.  More than 1/4 plays were that.  

Belichick did it religiously with Brady, the GOAT, with great effectiveness. It is not a dangerous play for a QB, any more so than dropping back, and it is very, very, effective if you have the line and QB to do it. Move the sticks in the most efficient way is the game. Where are the injury stats about the dangers of the QB sneak because it makes them a "battering ram?"

Eagles aren’t losing to the Cooper Rush led Cowboys. Get it together. 

44 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

We are a pathetic victim culture. Maybe in both cases, Wagner and Adams, the "victim" should take responsibility for their part in creating the situation and call it a day. Thank you to all the lawyers who helped created this litigious mentality so that they could make a greasy buck. It is a sad overhead rate on top of all life in the US that we all pay to "insure" our lives so that a profession can predate on situations that should fall into the "$hit happens" category.

The culture of suing for everything does suck, but as a Mexican, I can tell you that's much better than knowing that nobody's going to jail even if they catch you in the act.

 

4 minutes ago, beto_eagles said:

The culture of suing for everything does suck, but as a Mexican, I can tell you that's much better than knowing that nobody's going to jail even if they catch you in the act.

There is a good state of affairs in between the two extremes. Neither pole is a healthy society. The US is the most litigious society in the world. There are many quality examples in Europe of more reasonable values when it comes to personal responsibility. I'm going to stop my part in the thread as it boarders on a political discussion these days.

10 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

Where are the injury stats about the dangers of the QB sneak because it makes them a "battering ram?"

It can happen.  Mahomes dislocated his kneecap doing it.  

Smart for Howie to plant Howard in NO to help with the Saints’ tank. 

Just now, Next_Up said:

There is a good state of affairs in between the two extremes. Neither pole is a healthy society. The US is the most litigious society in the world. There are many quality examples in Europe of more reasonable values when it comes to personal responsibility. I'm going to stop my part in the thread as it boarders on a political discussion these days.

Agreed. Both of our societies need to be better.

And yeah, never meant to make this a political discussion hehe 😅

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Smart for Howie to plant Howard in NO to help with the Saints’ tank. 

4D Chess

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not much 'design' to a QB sneak, honestly.   What bothers me is not the 3rd and 1 QB sneaks... though 4 of them is a lot... but the 1st and goal sneaks (twice) and the 2nd and goal sneak (once) to me is a lack of creativity and teams are going to be better prepared for that moving forward.  And it speaks to a bigger issue, namely, that Hurts is actually the power back on this team in the coaches' minds.   That bothers me.   This team needs to have a better option for a battering ram than the QB.  

Steichen gets nothing higher than a D+/C- from me for that game plan, even with the backup OL.  Too vanilla and kept the Cardinals too close, even though they should have pulled away.  They let the Cardinals hang in and stick around in the game and made it a much closer outcome than it should have been, imo.  20 plays were WR screen and QB sneak.  Too many.  More than 1/4 plays were that.  

Actually several different approaches to the sneaks in how they used the backs and TEs to support. Of course there were the quick sneaks too.   I will stand with my thoughts on those.   We are pretty close in grades and for similar reasons.  The fact it was a close game is reflective of my view going in and that was before Dickerson missed time and Kelce hurt his ankle.  
 

15 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

Belichick did it religiously with Brady, the GOAT, with great effectiveness. It is not a dangerous play for a QB, any more so than dropping back, and it is very, very, effective if you have the line and QB to do it. Move the sticks in the most efficient way is the game. Where are the injury stats about the dangers of the QB sneak because it makes them a "battering ram?"

Mahomes was injured on a QB sneak.  I know... I remembered something again.  But tell me how many times a QB was injured handing the ball to a RB at the goal line?

 

But it isn't about an acute injury from the sneak.  For me it's about the total accumulation of hits his body is taking.  

By contrast, Brady was hardly ever touched... so much so that he was actually upset about the way he was sacked the other day by Jarrett.  

There is no data on what happens to a QB who takes this many hits in a season.  We know that a RB who hits 300 or 350 carries the effective drops off rapidly.  No QB has ever carried as much as Hurts current rate.  He's going to blow away the previous record.. by over 50 carries I think.

You're all Fin idiots 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Smart for Howie to plant Howard in NO to help with the Saints’ tank. 

Good to know if we need Howard later this season that the Saints got him in football shape.

32 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Holy cow, that long ago? I never tailgate, but my father and I were kind of forced to go to one that night to socialize with family members who were doing a tailgate. I hated it. It was the only time I drove to an Eagles game in the past twenty years

Oh, and definitely not 2006. That was TO’s return, the Lito Sheppard int return game.

Yep, definitely 2007. TO's return in '06 was during the day, I remember that one more clearly too.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It can happen.  Mahomes dislocated his kneecap doing it.  

That is not a statistic. It is an incident and the claim is not that the play is without risk. Football is inherently risky. We could compare the number of players injured in TD celebrations to the number of QBs injured on sneaks. The main injury to QBs is the shoulder : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5825334/  

Getting sacked and over-throwing, like a baseball pitcher, is what happens to them the most in terms of health risk.  Running QBs are not the most injured: https://www.filmstudybaltimore.com/new-study-quarterbacks-that-run-most-are-not-injured-most/