I'm assuming those triggered by thumbs up haven't used MS Teams.  The thumbs up is used constantly in my org on Teams, and it's a pretty right on sort of place to work -  IT would have removed if there was a hint of anyone getting offended and the mgmt would have told everyone why. 

19 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I'd hit him with the nastiest, most illegal crack back block the first play of the game. Take the 15 yards and let him know he's gonna get a couple more the rest of the game

Make sure your kid is there to see it 

10 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I dunno we’re kinda fighting right now 

Just wait for "I'm fine!" 

I think the Eagles need to start cross training Jurgens at LG.  It really sounds like Dickerson's injury is going to be an issue all year and I think the chances are greater he doesn't finish the season than him finishing the season.  Opeta hasn't been terrible but I just love Jurgens. 

As dominant as Dickerson has shown he can be this is the reason why so many didn't like the pick.  I hope he can just work through it but he's going to be in and out of the lineup all year.

https://www.audacy.com/94wip/sports/eagles/jason-kelce-eagles-cowboys-rivalry-fan-bases-culture-value

"Two polar opposites that have been in the same division that have played so many meaningful games of football together. You have the Philadelphia fan base which is this extremely localized die hard fan base that is authentic to all of them growing up together in this community and this environment that breeds authenticity," he said. "And you have the Cowboys fan base, which they have that in Dallas, but the majority of the fan base is built on commercialism and all of this pop culture, Lakers, Yankees type fandom that I think is the complete opposite of what the Philadelphia fan base stands for. And also you have the north and the south going into it. You have so many factors and different things that it's led to being almost a game of cultures and values, that I certainly feel and love to represent on the side I am on."

Me too, Jason, me too!!  💯 %

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think the Eagles need to start cross training Jurgens at LG.  It really sounds like Dickerson's injury is going to be an issue all year and I think the chances are greater he doesn't finish the season than him finishing the season.  Opeta hasn't been terrible but I just love Jurgens. 

As dominant as Dickerson has shown he can be this is the reason why so many didn't like the pick.  I hope he can just work through it but he's going to be in and out of the lineup all year.

If hes not getting season ending injuries, you cant knock him for being banged up. His issue at Alabama was season ending injuries.

Getting banged up is normal in the life of an OL.

Every year Lane Johnson and Jason Kelce are playing hurt. Mailata has often had something going on as well. Seumalo has had numerous injuries in his career. Driscoll.... Its everyone.

Not sure what OL in the NFL ever gets to play a season without playing through some painful injury.

If Dickerson tears an ACL again, you can feel vindicated in your criticism of the pick. If hes a little banged up like every other OL in the league, then youre just being biased. 

37 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Thats because Hurts was seeing ghosts so to speak. 

Hurts didnt trust his eyes, or the play call and kept checking into the WR screen, or using it as a quick outlet regardless if the O line held up to the blitz. 

The way McLane explained it... could of had some monster plays if Hurts stood in there that would of stopped the Cardinals from blitzing. BUT, because he kept going back to the WR screen/Quick hitter Zona' was ok to keep sending the blitz

Im totally fine with Hurts playing it safe and taking routine 5-10 yard gains, especially when he knows his OL is shaky at the moment.  No problem at all there for me

Hes not sucking and holding us back from wins, and I thought he would. Thats the overall analysis that we should care about right now.

11 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Minshew can that. We need/want a QB who can read it, make a monster play and break their backs. Thats the game changer we need

 

Yeah we are 5-0 so clearly Hurts, the reigning NFC Offensive Player of the Month, is not getting the job done. 

 

I get that the lack of pushing things down the field and "check downs" from Hurts can be disappointing, but a big part of that was also part of what the D was giving them:

Not saying Hurts had a great game or anything but if a D is giving you a high percentage pass option that averages 13 yards a play there's no reason not to keep going back to it. 

1 hour ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Snyder's got nothing.  Just empty threats.

You think? Jerry Jones and those photos of some woman with her head in his lap, Robert Kraft and his "massages", the Bidwells (nuff said), Jim Irsay (where to begin?) and on and on. So many of these guys are pond scum who view themselves as untouchable.

And I'm not even addressing the shady deals these guys make.

Arizona apparently wanted to blitz Hurts, use a spy, and make him make quick decisions and beat them with his arm.

The eagles seemed prepared with a game plan featuring endless WR and TE screens.

Arizona's plan didnt get them a win (close), but was fairly successful. It did significantly limit Hurts and we wont be beating playoff teams with him playing that way.

It appears that not only did Arizona not believe he could beat them with his arm, in the pocket, facing blitzes. But the eagles did not trust him to either, evidenced by the way they called plays.

He bailed when he didnt need to. Never threw the ball down field- Even when it was there. Turned the ball over (though saved by a penalty on that one). On throws that werent screens, he made poor decisions (shoulda had AJ Brown on the crosser for a TD instead of incomplete to Quez), and threw inaccurately (there was a ball to Brown that never got there but AJ Brown had to stop/slide to reach back behind him where the ball was headed if it ever had a chance to reach).

Arizona messed him up in every way the possibly could have hoped.

Hurts made one play (the audible for Goedert).

Will see if Dallas follows the blueprint. Against teams better than Arizona, it will be ugly.

The question is, who did a better job of stopping Hurts? Arizona, or our own coaches?

8 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I get that the lack of pushing things down the field and "check downs" from Hurts can be disappointing, but a big part of that was also part of what the D was giving them:

Not saying Hurts had a great game or anything but if a D is giving you a high percentage pass option that averages 13 yards a play there's no reason not to keep going back to it. 

well, somehow averaging 13 yards per play didnt result in a very good point total.

Arizona had more momentum and if they made that FG were more likely to win in OT. They had the better 2nd half. 

 

 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Coaches 

If he audibled to that Goedert play once. Why cant he do it more often? Coaches not allowing it? He does it and we dont know? He does it often and isnt typically successful?

If the coaches were stupidly calling those screens over, and over, and over again. Why couldnt he have changed in to more, regular passing plays? They clearly needed to mix in some other stuff. But neither he, nor the coaches did that. 

I dont know. Its hard to determine who is more at fault. Obviously, we know that game plan sucked. But he certainly needs to be way better than he was in that game.

 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Arizona apparently wanted to blitz Hurts, use a spy, and make him make quick decisions and beat them with his arm.

The eagles seemed prepared with a game plan featuring endless WR and TE screens.

Arizona's plan didnt get them a win (close), but was fairly successful. It did significantly limit Hurts and we wont be beating playoff teams with him playing that way.

It appears that not only did Arizona not believe he could beat them with his arm, in the pocket, facing blitzes. But the eagles did not trust him to either, evidenced by the way they called plays.

He bailed when he didnt need to. Never threw the ball down field- Even when it was there. Turned the ball over (though saved by a penalty on that one). On throws that werent screens, he made poor decisions (shoulda had AJ Brown on the crosser for a TD instead of incomplete to Quez), and threw inaccurately (there was a ball to Brown that never got there but AJ Brown had to stop/slide to reach back behind him where the ball was headed if it ever had a chance to reach).

Arizona messed him up in every way the possibly could have hoped.

Hurts made one play (the audible for Goedert).

Will see if Dallas follows the blueprint. Against teams better than Arizona, it will be ugly.

The question is, who did a better job of stopping Hurts? Arizona, or our own coaches?

It's a good post but I have some quibbles. I don't think he bailed when he didn't need to. Well, maybe twice. Arizona's plan depended on their front dominating our OL, and in that they mostly succeeded until the final drive. That's only repeatable if we are playing three second or third teamers.

Your final question is a good one. Any number of teams try deep shots with max protection. We never tried that. So, that would be on the coaches. The mostly successful game defensive game plan would be good work by Arizona.

So, both.

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

well, somehow averaging 13 yards per play didnt result in a very good point total.

Arizona had more momentum and if they made that FG were more likely to win in OT. They had the better 2nd half. 

Not saying it was a perfect game from anyone by any means.  Just pointing out that schematically the Cardinals appeared to have sold out the flats in order to limit the middle run game and get pressure in Hurts' face.  Which was pretty effective, but does at least partially explain the underwhelming spread chart from Hurts.  More often than not those plays were the correct look based on what Arizona was giving them.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Coaches.  They draw up the gameplan and they are supposed to prepare the QB to make it more natural for him to change out of plays or give him more hot reads.   

Ok. I can agree with that.

Now this question-

Hurts appears to have really moved in to good graces with nearly all Philly fans, including myself based on what now appears to have been, only 2 games, out of 5 so far this season and his previous 2 years.

In those 2 games, he looked like a legitimate starting NFL QB. 2 other games, average or below average. 1 game was kind of ugly but we can write off due to weather.

I wanted to see him bounce back in a big way against Arizona (knowing weather would not be a factor), the stage was set for that to happen. It didnt. Whether it was him, or as you believe, the coaches.

Question now is- How much more leash has he earned based on just those 2 games?

I say, he better be damn good against Dallas, or else those 2 games look like a fluke.

5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Not saying it was a perfect game from anyone by any means.  Just pointing out that schematically the Cardinals appeared to have sold out the flats in order to limit the middle run game and get pressure in Hurts' face.  Which was pretty effective, but does at least partially explain the underwhelming spread chart from Hurts.  More often than not those plays were the correct look based on what Arizona was giving them.

We should have gotten a lot more crossers with Brown or Smith running in to space as they got near the numbers. We should have had some intermediate routes right behind those loaded boxes. We could have at least just tried throwing 1 or 2 long ones just to try to get them to back off a little bit.

We didnt try any of those things. 

I get taking what you are given. And would be ok with MOST of the passes being what we saw. But not all. There was more that could have worked and we literally didnt even try any of it.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I could only imagine how electric the atmosphere must have been for 44-6. I wish I could have been there. 

I've been going to Eagles games for more than fifty years. I've probably been to over five hundred games in my life. And I gotta say that yes, that was indeed the most electric atmosphere I've ever experienced. The only game that really compares was the Vikings championship game five years ago. In both instances the mood during the second half became like a relaxed party atmosphere. The tension of the game had evaporated at that point and everyone was just celebrating with each other for an hour. Laughing. Partying. Just a great fun evening.

What was cool about that Cowboys game was the way things developed during the early games. We needed the lowly Raiders to beat the heavily favored Bucs on the road and then have one of two plausible other outcomes go our way. When I left the house around two o'clock, I believe the Bucs were already ahead. When I arrived at the stadium complex around three o'clock, word filtered that the Bucs were still ahead by more than one score. Not good. But that was expected. No one went to that game with any real expectation that anything good was going to happen. The mood was still somber. I think by the time I actually got into the stadium the Raiders had scored to get to within a touchdown. They had the three games (Bucs-Raiders, Vikings-Giants, and Texans-Bears) on various monitors on the concourse. The crowds gathered around those monitors with intensity, and the place just blew up when the Raiders went ahead. By that time, the Houston game looked to be going our way, thought it was still not quite a certainty. And the Giants-Vikings game was iffy but there was still some hope it would go our way. So the focus was clearly on the Bucs game. We watched that thing for about a half hour, occasionally strolling over to the other monitors to check the other two games. I forget how it all played out, but when the Raiders finally won and the Bears lost, the place went insane. The Vikings game ended up going the wrong way on the final play of the game but it didn't matter. And by that time our game was ready to start. I remember running up the ramps to the upper deck with a sense of euphoria. The meaningless last game of the season was suddenly a playoff game. The intensity in the stadium was unbelievable.

I remember it being close for about the first quarter and into the second, and then we pulled away. By halftime it seemed very likely it was going our way. Then the two long fumble returns happened, and the party started.

On the subway ride after the game, a random fan asked the crowd, "So who do we play?" Even at that point people were just stunned about what had transpired and hadn't really put it all together about what was coming next. We hadn't mentally prepared for it. I told him it would be the Vikings.

A great, great day. Easily the best regular season game I've ever been to.

11 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Show me where I said that

 

You are talking about what we need.  Clearly we need it because what we are doing isn't working at all.  #2 offense in the league, it just isn't working with Hurts, Minshew as you stated would have us where we need to be. 

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Ok. I can agree with that.

Now this question-

Hurts appears to have really moved in to good graces with nearly all Philly fans, including myself based on what now appears to have been, only 2 games, out of 5 so far this season and his previous 2 years.

In those 2 games, he looked like a legitimate starting NFL QB. 2 other games, average or below average. 1 game was kind of ugly but we can write off due to weather.

I wanted to see him bounce back in a big way against Arizona (knowing weather would not be a factor), the stage was set for that to happen. It didnt. Whether it was him, or as you believe, the coaches.

Question now is- How much more leash has he earned based on just those 2 games?

I say, he better be damn good against Dallas, or else those 2 games look like a fluke.

 

 

How much more leash? Not much at all.  It's very obvious the coaches are getting really close to benching Hurts. 

47 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Minshew can that. We need/want a QB who can read it, make a monster play and break their backs. Thats the game changer we need

You're not pleased with Kenny Pickett?

23 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Arizona apparently wanted to blitz Hurts, use a spy, and make him make quick decisions and beat them with his arm.

The eagles seemed prepared with a game plan featuring endless WR and TE screens.

Arizona's plan didnt get them a win (close), but was fairly successful. It did significantly limit Hurts and we wont be beating playoff teams with him playing that way.

It appears that not only did Arizona not believe he could beat them with his arm, in the pocket, facing blitzes. But the eagles did not trust him to either, evidenced by the way they called plays.

He bailed when he didnt need to. Never threw the ball down field- Even when it was there. Turned the ball over (though saved by a penalty on that one). On throws that werent screens, he made poor decisions (shoulda had AJ Brown on the crosser for a TD instead of incomplete to Quez), and threw inaccurately (there was a ball to Brown that never got there but AJ Brown had to stop/slide to reach back behind him where the ball was headed if it ever had a chance to reach).

Arizona messed him up in every way the possibly could have hoped.

Hurts made one play (the audible for Goedert).

Will see if Dallas follows the blueprint. Against teams better than Arizona, it will be ugly.

The question is, who did a better job of stopping Hurts? Arizona, or our own coaches?

My god, how did we score 20 points?

29 minutes ago, justrelax said:

You think? Jerry Jones and those photos of some woman with her head in his lap, Robert Kraft and his "massages", the Bidwells (nuff said), Jim Irsay (where to begin?) and on and on. So many of these guys are pond scum who view themselves as untouchable.

And I'm not even addressing the shady deals these guys make.

Forgot about some of that stuff!  I took his statement to mean that he has something that the public does not know about.  Something shady that the NFL, other owners, etc. have done that would bring the league down.   I still think he's just a desperate moron seeking to remain in control.  

 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

We should have gotten a lot more crossers with Brown or Smith running in to space as they got near the numbers. We should have had some intermediate routes right behind those loaded boxes. We could have at least just tried throwing 1 or 2 long ones just to try to get them to back off a little bit.

We didnt try any of those things. 

I get taking what you are given. And would be ok with MOST of the passes being what we saw. But not all. There was more that could have worked and we literally didnt even try any of it.

That I'll agree with.  The Smith and to an even higher extent AJ Brown usage made very little sense to me in that game.  It seemed mostly like a play call problem vs them being there and Hurts missing them but I'm not an All-22 watcher or anything like that so could be wrong.