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Official Philadelphia Phillies Thread - Still can't hit for crap

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1 minute ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

I think I am starting to hate Rojas more than Marsh

Because they don’t think Marsh and Kepler (frankly they don’t do it very well) can hit lefties good enough we are stuck with Rojas. This goes back to they have 2 platoon OFs and Rojas

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8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Because they don’t think Marsh and Kepler (frankly they don’t do it very well) can hit lefties good enough we are stuck with Rojas. This goes back to they have 2 platoon OFs and Rojas

The TRUE managers of the team does not give them enough bats to be able to hit left handers....... the team has been crying about Marsh since last June.... when I looked it up...... he had 50 AB'S against LHP at that time. Roughly 15 to 20 games.

They want instant results.... but don't want to do the work and the time to get there.

The last few years this team has had a ton of talent .... terribly misused and mismanaged

2 hours ago, Steve 17 said:

The TRUE managers of the team does not give them enough bats to be able to hit left handers....... the team has been crying about Marsh since last June.... when I looked it up...... he had 50 AB'S against LHP at that time. Roughly 15 to 20 games.

They want instant results.... but don't want to do the work and the time to get there.

The last few years this team has had a ton of talent .... terribly misused and mismanaged

The fact he has only 50 ABs tells you why they aren’t using him more against LHP. It’s cause they don’t believe he’s an everyday player. It’s cause for his career he hits .217 in nearly 500 ABs. Heck if you combine his 2024 and 2025 ABs against LHP he’s 21-104 which is a .202 average. From 2023 til now he’s had 200 ABs. He’s hitting .215. So at this point they feel as though they’ve seen him enough to know he’s not gonna be able to hit left-handed. Pitching well enough. The issue is is that they don’t have anybody on their bench platoon him correctly. Ditto for Kepler who’s been bad against LHP pitching this year (in general really besides a week or two when he hits HRs)

We can blame Thomson, but Jayson stark has talked about this it goes all the way up to Dave Dombrowski and their analytics team when making these decisions with platoons. Dombrowski knew that the Phillies analytics team did not believe Brandon marsh was more than a platoon outfielder and decided that getting another left-handed hitter in Kepler was the way to go instead of a right handed bat which they have needed since Hoskins got hurt. Instead, they got another left-handed bat, which makes your lineup awful when you have to sit Kepler and Brandon marsh. And if you play them you are at a disadvantage as Kepler is old and closer to the end vs LHP and marsh has never consistently hit them besides his first season in the big leagues

Fact Kennedy is on this team is a joke. The fact he has started back to back games is laughable. Furthermore you’ve now stunted any chance Rojas would develop. They brought him up knowing he needed to play frequently so he could improve his swing and at bats. It’s why he realistically should’ve been in the minors developing. He wasn’t ready offensively at that time. Really he should’ve been in the minors working on his swing but the outfield was so bad in 2023 it forced their hand. One of the reasons I don’t think Crawford has been called up is because they saw what happened to Rojas. Crawford is more ready than Rojas yet down in triple A still. I think partial trade value but also partially if he’s not playing everyday he’s better off getting at bats everyday otherwise might not develop with his bat the way they thought like Rojas

The 2011 Phillies assembled the greatest rotation I've ever seen and were my personal all time #1 "what could have been" Philadelphia team. That rotation, in comparison to 2025, had bigger names with better career resumes...but it's interesting to look at the numbers.

ERA/WHIP

  1. Roy Halladay 2.35/1.040

  2. Cliff Lee 2.40/1.027

  3. Cole Hammels 2.79/0.986

  4. Roy Oswalt 3.69/1.338

  1. Zach Wheeler 2.61/0.914

  2. Jesus Luzardo 4.08/1.373

  3. Ranger Suarez 2.20/1.064

  4. Christopher Sanchez 2.87/1.186

They aren't that far off.

The question is can a team with an average lineup, below average fielding, and well below average bullpen get carried to a championship by a 4 man rotation?

If the Phils make the playoffs, the game that eliminates them will be like last night.

33 minutes ago, TV Guy said:

If the Phils make the playoffs, the game that eliminates them will be like last night.

Last reminded me of how the 2011 Phillies season ended with halladay pitching a gem and losing to carpenter 1-0

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Last reminded me of how the 2011 Phillies season ended with halladay pitching a gem and losing to carpenter 1-0

And Howard tearing his achilles

30 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

And Howard tearing his achilles

Thankfully no one got hurt last night

55 minutes ago, iladelphxx said:

Posted earlier he said he prefers not to move Harper back to OF. However if the RH bat that’s best is 1B or 3B then he should make they move and move Harper back to OF and particularly LF. The theory was 1b was supposed to prevent wear and tear and injuries. He’s had injuries and wear and tear at 1b. So at this point get the best RH bat available

Basically getting Rojas with power. His slashes the last 2 years been brutal

2023: .264/.315/857 38 HRs 80 RBI

2024: .224/.278/.657 14 HRs 35 RBI

2025: .185/.270/.584 8 HRs 32 RBI

Good chance we get swept in this series if we lose tonight.

Wheeler looks like crap tonight. Going to be another 5 inning performance

Yup might not score again tonight. Currently at 12 consecutive innings without scoring

Turner just swung at a ball that skipped into the catchers glove for strike 3 FFS

When are we allowed to acknowledge that Stott just is not a good hitter?

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

When are we allowed to acknowledge that Stott just is not a good hitter?

Considering he’s 6 for his last 14 it is probably not the time to bring it up.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Considering he’s 6 for his last 14 it is probably not the time to bring it up.

I like to go against the grain. He's still a .240 hitter with zero power. Top notch fielder, but that's a replacement level bat.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I like to go against the grain. He's still a .240 hitter with zero power. Top notch fielder, but that's a replacement level bat.

He isn’t chase utley. He’s not ever going to have great power or hit Hrs like utley. Not a whole bunch of second baseman do. You just need him to be competent bottom of the lineup guy (8-9). Would be possible if we didn’t have crap in the OF and realmuto on his last legs.

Frankly, if the Phillies were smart, if the diamondbacks made Suarez available at the deadline, they should go after him. He can play third base, he hit 251 but 162 game pace to hit 52 home runs and 140 RBI. He has 25 home runs and 67 RBIs and we’re not even through June yet. He strikes out a lot but that’s fine if he’s protecting Harper and Schwarber in that lineup. Pushes everyone down into the right a Slot and can move Bohm to 1b and Harper to OF

There’s no reason Crawford isn’t in the majors as Rojas and Kepler are futile and suck

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Wheeler looks like crap tonight. Going to be another 5 inning performance

Credit to wheeler he didn’t have his best tonight. Gutted it and made it thru 6 giving up 1. Where he likely takes the loss as the offense stinks and the bullpen likely makes it go from 1 to 2-3

They may never score again

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